Nitpicky Issues with FFX

Auronlu

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Lemme say that 1) I love FFX and 2) it's silly to nitpick a game-- they're not going to get every detail right!

But FFX is an especially consistent game, IMO, with a lot of detail in backstory, NPCs, and even tiny things like costume, and anyway, fans are nitpicky.

So, a few items that nag at me when I play.

1) Wakka's and Lulu's ages. In the Ultimania guide and on Square's official website, they are 25 and 23 respectively.

Quibble: Wakka says he can't remember his parents, since they were killed by Sin when he was little, to which Lulu replies, "I was five then, so I remember mine, a little." Also Wakka says "Yes, ma'am" to her and acts rather deferential. The latter isn't conclusive, but the former sure sounds like she's a few years older than he is.


2) I think Lulu and Yuna -- whom I love dearly -- were being less than honest at Yuna's trial! Check this out:
Kelk: ...Tell this court what possessed you to participate in such violence.
Yuna: Your Grace... The real traitor is Maester Seymour! He killed his father Jyscal with his own hands!
Kelk: What is this!
Seymour: (Nonchalant) Hmm? Hadn't you heard?
Yuna: Not only that... Maester Seymour is already dead!
Lulu: It is a summoner's sacred duty to send the souls of the departed to the Farplane! Yuna was only doing her job as a summoner!

The first bit is certainly true -- Seymour killed his pop.

The second is a bit dicey, though. Didn't Yuna and her guardians kill Seymour in Macalania Temple? If you've killed somebody, it's a little cheesy to argue "he was dead, so I had every right to send him."

Unless he was already dead before Yuna confronted him in Macalania, but there's nothing else to suggest that. I think a better argument would have been, "When I asked him to turn himself in to Yevon's justice for Jyscal's murder, he tried to kill me and my guardians!" and Lulu adding, "It's a guardian's sacred duty to protect a summoner." That would have been perfectly true and justified: self-defense!

3) Auron says he dragged himself back from Yunalesca's lair, all the way down Mt. Gagazet, and "his strength failed" outside of Bevelle, where he met Kimahri. Somewhere along the way Rin found and helped Auron, but still, that's a heck of a long way for someone to go in his condition, especially considering the fiends on Gagazet. It would've made more sense to say he'd met Kimahri at the foot of the mountain.

4) Why is Lady Ginnem able to summon Yojimbo when she's so far gone she's lost her mind? That's a minor thing, but more importantly, how the heck did Lulu survive losing her Summoner in the back of that cavern with only Fire, Water, Thunder and Blizzard? I mean, yeah, Lulu rocks, but she should've been toast the first time she hit a Black Element that cast reflect.

#4 triggered a rather creative fanfiction in which I explored what might've happened, but still. Wow.
 
4) Why is Lady Ginnem able to summon Yojimbo when she's so far gone she's lost her mind? That's a minor thing, but more importantly, how the heck did Lulu survive losing her Summoner in the back of that cavern with only Fire, Water, Thunder and Blizzard? I mean, yeah, Lulu rocks, but she should've been toast the first time she hit a Black Element that cast reflect.

#4 triggered a rather creative fanfiction in which I explored what might've happened, but still. Wow.

If you want to get really technical, how did Auron and Jecht survive the pilgramige with Brasa? Auron gives Tidus Jecht's sword, which is pretty crap, Auron's first weapon is crap and all he has are a few "break" attacks, so how did they get through Zanarkand and to Yunalesca without being ripped to shreds? BUT I didn't really think of any of these things until I read this, I just take it as it is lol.
 
Lemme say that 1) I love FFX and 2) it's silly to nitpick a game-- they're not going to get every detail right!

But FFX is an especially consistent game, IMO, with a lot of detail in backstory, NPCs, and even tiny things like costume, and anyway, fans are nitpicky.

So, a few items that nag at me when I play.

1) Wakka's and Lulu's ages. In the Ultimania guide and on Square's official website, they are 25 and 23 respectively.

Quibble: Wakka says he can't remember his parents, since they were killed by Sin when he was little, to which Lulu replies, "I was five then, so I remember mine, a little." Also Wakka says "Yes, ma'am" to her and acts rather deferential. The latter isn't conclusive, but the former sure sounds like she's a few years older than he is.

While Lulu is younger than Wakka, it is pretty much safe to say that Lulu is a lot more mature than Wakka which could lead the person to believe she would be a few more years older than him. However, she is not. This is not taking a jab at males or anything of the sorts, but a lot of women do mature faster than a lot of men do. Take into consideration how much more together Lulu was than anybody in that game.


2) I think Lulu and Yuna -- whom I love dearly -- were being less than honest at Yuna's trial! Check this out:
Kelk: ...Tell this court what possessed you to participate in such violence.
Yuna: Your Grace... The real traitor is Maester Seymour! He killed his father Jyscal with his own hands!
Kelk: What is this!
Seymour: (Nonchalant) Hmm? Hadn't you heard?
Yuna: Not only that... Maester Seymour is already dead!
Lulu: It is a summoner's sacred duty to send the souls of the departed to the Farplane! Yuna was only doing her job as a summoner!
The first bit is certainly true -- Seymour killed his pop.

The second is a bit dicey, though. Didn't Yuna and her guardians kill Seymour in Macalania Temple? If you've killed somebody, it's a little cheesy to argue "he was dead, so I had every right to send him."
Yes, but they were all already aware that Yuna and the others killed Seymour. I'm assuming they didn't have to testify to it, but then again Mika was also an unsent as was Seymour. Killing Seymour was what disturbed the order of Yevon and made Yuna and her Guardians traitors. That was the point of the whole trial. Yuna DID try to send Seymour and that's her job as a summoner, so Lulu was quite right in that aspect.

Unless he was already dead before Yuna confronted him in Macalania, but there's nothing else to suggest that. I think a better argument would have been, "When I asked him to turn himself in to Yevon's justice for Jyscal's murder, he tried to kill me and my guardians!" and Lulu adding, "It's a guardian's sacred duty to protect a summoner." That would have been perfectly true and justified: self-defense!
Do you honestly think they would have cared? The Masters and Yevon played dirty. I don't think they would have given two shits if they explained to them what Seymour tried to do, quite honestly.

3) Auron says he dragged himself back from Yunalesca's lair, all the way down Mt. Gagazet, and "his strength failed" outside of Bevelle, where he met Kimahri. Somewhere along the way Rin found and helped Auron, but still, that's a heck of a long way for someone to go in his condition, especially considering the fiends on Gagazet. It would've made more sense to say he'd met Kimahri at the foot of the mountain.
I have to agree, it is rather far-fetched, but for all we know he could have had other help along the way. *shrugs* Not something I'm going to sit and ponder on though.

4) Why is Lady Ginnem able to summon Yojimbo when she's so far gone she's lost her mind? That's a minor thing, but more importantly, how the heck did Lulu survive losing her Summoner in the back of that cavern with only Fire, Water, Thunder and Blizzard? I mean, yeah, Lulu rocks, but she should've been toast the first time she hit a Black Element that cast reflect.
Hard to say, but then again I really don't think this much in depth about these things. I just let the game flow. I try not to be too overly critical.

#4 triggered a rather creative fanfiction in which I explored what might've happened, but still. Wow.
Haha, sounds interesting.
 
You're exploiting the most tiniest of details. I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could find these in every RPG known to man.
As for Auron encountering fiends along the way....maybe he did, and it worsened his condition. If you really want to get technical, maybe Rin gave him a Hi-Potion or something.
Oh and Mandi, Kimahri was possibly more mature than Lulu...and less sociable.
 
Also, Lulu is a lot smarter, it is reasonable to think that she can remember more.

4) Why is Lady Ginnem able to summon Yojimbo when she's so far gone she's lost her mind? That's a minor thing, but more importantly, how the heck did Lulu survive losing her Summoner in the back of that cavern with only Fire, Water, Thunder and Blizzard? I mean, yeah, Lulu rocks, but she should've been toast the first time she hit a Black Element that cast reflect.
It doesn't say that Lulu was her only guardian does it?
Because most likely Ginnem had more than one.
Also she was mad but also strong, and therefore had the power to summon an aeon.

2) I think Lulu and Yuna -- whom I love dearly -- were being less than honest at Yuna's trial! Check this out:

Quote:
Kelk: ...Tell this court what possessed you to participate in such violence.
Yuna: Your Grace... The real traitor is Maester Seymour! He killed his father Jyscal with his own hands!
Kelk: What is this!
Seymour: (Nonchalant) Hmm? Hadn't you heard?
Yuna: Not only that... Maester Seymour is already dead!
Lulu: It is a summoner's sacred duty to send the souls of the departed to the Farplane! Yuna was only doing her job as a summoner!
The first bit is certainly true -- Seymour killed his pop.

The second is a bit dicey, though. Didn't Yuna and her guardians kill Seymour in Macalania Temple? If you've killed somebody, it's a little cheesy to argue "he was dead, so I had every right to send him."

Unless he was already dead before Yuna confronted him in Macalania, but there's nothing else to suggest that. I think a better argument would have been, "When I asked him to turn himself in to Yevon's justice for Jyscal's murder, he tried to kill me and my guardians!" and Lulu adding, "It's a guardian's sacred duty to protect a summoner." That would have been perfectly true and justified: self-defense!
Firstly it is a trial of sorts, Yuna and Lulu would say what they think would get them off.
Secondly the trial was a sham, so what they say doesn't really matter.

Also Auron is incredibly strong, he could get all the way to Bevelle, especially with help from Rin
 
Didn't Auron die pretty much after taking on Yunalesca? With him being an Unsent and all..it looked like he died just there, or maybe later on?
 
Didn't Auron die pretty much after taking on Yunalesca? With him being an Unsent and all..it looked like he died just there, or maybe later on?
No, she just fatally wounds him. Because Auron is so strong and very healthy, he survives and makes his way almost to Bevelle where he tells Kimahri ti take Yuna to Besaid.
 
Commenting on Lulu's maturity, I had always assumed that it was because she had already witnessed the death of Lady Ginnem - it's common knowledge that those who have to deal with death in earlier life end up coming out of the situation with a much more solid attitude. If you notice, Wakka became quite stern any time he mentioned Chappu - his immaturity shrivelled away. You could even suggest that he took up Blitzball to take his mind off of Chappu and participating in Blitzball made him more playful, again.

In reference to the trial, I suppose I can agree with your quarrel to an extent. However, let's not forget that Maester Kelk was the only Maester who was uncorrupted and was unaware of Seymour's death entirely. Also, saying how he died was unimportant - they most likely realised how futile it was to argue the finer details, particularly when the other 80% of the Order of Yevon both knew and didn't care.

As for Auron dragging himself back to Bevelle, I suppose that is quite a bit of distance. One could assume he was able to do this because he was an Unsent ... however, I've only just remembered that Rin makes a reference to how Auron's wounds had vanished the next morning, leading me to assume he didn't die until he had actually met Kimahri. I think we just have to assume that determination is more powerful than we think.

Finally ... ahh, the dreaded annoyance of sequels in RPGs - why do the same characters begin at Level 1 in every sequel, despite being at Level 100 before you finished the last game? It's just something you're going to have to deal with.
 
(Not dismissing everyone else's comments, which make sense, but the last one struck my funny bone.)

Lulu drags herself back to Besaid after her first pilgrimage and marches into the forest to kill a few flans.
Chappu: Uh, Lu? It's dangerous out there? Don't you want an escort?
Lulu: Not. NOW. *glare* I need some time to think.
Chappu: Uh, okay....
[A few hours later]
*Luzzu finds her out in the jungle utterly frustrated, plinking away at flans*
KKZAAAPT.
Luzzu: Something wrong?
Lulu: *nearly takes his head off* WHY can't I kill them with one thunderbolt? Where'd my Thundara go?!
Luzzu, sympathetic: Ah, sometimes it happens like that. After you finish each operation... you're back at level 1 again.
Lulu: *Ka-BAAMM.* I'm going to kill the game designers.
 
Auron says he dragged himself back from Yunalesca's lair, all the way down Mt. Gagazet, and "his strength failed" outside of Bevelle, where he met Kimahri. Somewhere along the way Rin found and helped Auron, but still, that's a heck of a long way for someone to go in his condition, especially considering the fiends on Gagazet. It would've made more sense to say he'd met Kimahri at the foot of the mountain.

yeh it would of been more understandinhg if auron meet kimari cause it takes like 20 mins onh the game to walk to yunalesca cause with all the fiends in zanakand and in mt.gagazet
:holyshit:
 
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