Just want to clarify something...

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the Sephiroth that's walking around, showing Cloud and company the flashbacks and everything...that's his spirit, right? and the real sephiroth was defeated by zack, encased in some materia, then somehow made it to the northern crater?

I think I have it all right...it's just bugging at the back of my head, so I just want someone to clarify it.
 
The Sephiroth we see is not him, no. Each 'Sephiroth' has a part of Jenova with him, and considering even the smallest of particles is technically Jenova, she manipulates things around her, and bends it to her will. The body of clones to create a replica of Sephiroth, for example.

Sephiroth was not defeated by Zack. We see that Cloud is the person who impales Sephiroth and hurls him into the Mako Reactor. He was then transported towards the Northern Crater, and there he resided within a tomb of Lifestream energy.
 
The Sephiroth you chase in the first half of the game, is Jenova's body shapeshifting in his appaerance. The clones are people from Nibelheim that cannot shapeshift. This is well explained in the official book released by Square-Enix.

And yes, the Sephiroth that show the flashbacks/illusions in the Northern Crater, is his spirit.
 
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Here's an interesting idea: Why did Sephiroth want Cloud to remember everything? What purpose did it serve for Sephiroth? Or for Jenova?
 
Supposedly, the Sephiroth that you see walking around is either:
A) A clone
or
B) A manifestation of Sephiroth created by the real Sephiroth with the use of Jenova's cells


I choose option B; a manifestation with Jenova's cells.
My reason for choosing option B is that Jenova is capable reinacting people's memories, or manipulating people into believing certain things...just as the Sephiroth that you follow does throughout the game.


The real Sephiroth was never defeated. He either:
A) Jumped into the mako reactor while fighting Cloud
or
B) Was thrown into the mako reactor while fighting Cloud

(Either theory can be argued with evidence from both FFVII and Last Order.)
The point is that...the real Sephiroth traveled through the mako (aka the lifestream) alllll the way to the Northern Crater (where you see him encased in crystalized mako at the beginning of disc two).
 
I think because cloud was the only survivor of the last mako infusions (down in nibelheim mansion's basement), or the like; my memory of it all is sorta fuzzy. I remember something like zack and cloud were in the lab, in the mako chambers...and it had something to do with sephiroth and/or jenova. I dunno. like I said, my memory is cloudy, since it's been so long since I've actually played it.

Nephany said:
The point is that...the real Sephiroth traveled through the mako (aka the lifestream) alllll the way to the Northern Crater (where you see him encased in crystalized mako at the beginning of disc two).
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that's what I thought. it struck me as odd at first, but then it became a bit clearer.
 
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If you watched Last Order, it would make more sense.

(Last Order can be seen here:)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jKYZI8GjqJQ

Basically...after Nibelhiem was burnt to the ground, Cloud and Zack and the rest of the survivors were taken in by Hojo and had experiments done on their bodies. (Vincent was also experimented on by Hojo years earlier.)

They were placed in those glowing tubes as a means of infusing their bodies with Jenova Cells. Zack's body rejected the Jenova Cells, and Cloud's body didn't. As a result, Cloud was let's say...comatose.

Since Zack was not affected by the cell infusion, he broke free and carried Cloud all the way to Midgar, where blah blah blah he died.
 
Rhea said:
If you watched Last Order, it would make more sense.
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Bah. I liked Last Order, but as with all other Compilation materials, I took it with a grain of salt. I really disliked many of the changes made to the story.

Two main changes in Last Order that make no sense within original game canon:

1) Cloud talks to Tifa at the reactor.
One of the main points in the game is Cloud questioning his authenticity and identity. Tifa is unable to validate this for him, because she doesn't remember him having come to Nibelheim. However, in Last Order, she coherently speaks to him, thereby contradicting the game's plot point that she didn't know he came to help her. Also, if she had memory of CLoud being at Nibelheim, then the whole sequence of Tifa going into Cloud's memories in the Lifestream is downplayed in significance.

2) Sephiroth willingly jumps into the Lifestream pool at the reactor.
I find this change to be a blatant mark of fan service. In the original game, Sephiroth is overcome by Cloud and is thrown down. In Last Order, it does include Sephiroth being overpowered, as well as surprised at Cloud's strength, however, instead of being thrown into the Lifestream, he willingly jumps. I believe that the only reason this was done, was to keep the aura of "bad-assitude" that Sephiroth holds among his fanboys. I find that to be utterly lame.
 
The Crystal said:
The Sephiroth you chase in the first half of the game, is Jenova's body shapeshifting in his appaerance. The clones are people from Nibelheim that cannot shapeshift. This is well explained in the official book released by Square-Enix.

And yes, the Sephiroth that show the flashbacks/illusions in the Northern Crater, is his spirit.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what official book?
 
VengefulRonin said:
I always thought it was a clone, just like the creepy guys in cloaks, only not brain damaged.
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Sephiroth's clones are normal people from Nibelheim(survivors), experimented by Hojo. They cannot shapeshift, only Jenova's body can do that. I think this is explained in the game itself.


And no, the UOG don't say that FFX and FFVII worlds are the same. It says that people from Spira travelled space, and arrived in Gaia a LONG time ago.
 
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The Crystal said:
Sephiroth's clones are normal people from Nibelheim(survivors), experimented by Hojo. They cannot shapeshift, only Jenova's body can do that. I think this is explained in the game itself.


And no, the UOG don't say that FFX and FFVII worlds are the same. It says that people from Spira travelled space, and arrived in Gaia a LONG time ago.
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Lol, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it does seem like a stretch. The problem with these things is that they sometimes mess with canon. That's why I always take them with a grain of salt.
 
Summoner Yuna said:
Lol, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it does seem like a stretch. The problem with these things is that they sometimes mess with canon. That's why I always take them with a grain of salt.
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I disagree. Everything i read in those books make perfect sense to me. What happens is that some people interpret some things in a wrong way. And then, they think "the books mess with cannon", when the truth is "the books goes against our wrong interpretation of the story".

Everything in the books make perfect sense with what is presented in the games.
 
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And also...

aiden099 said:
Basically

Sepiroth is like the Agents from the Matrix.
Anyone with the Jenova Gene can become Sepiroth
at least i think
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They probably need more than the Jenova gene, but perhaps more substantive parts of Jenova (such as her head, i.e. Kadaj in AC).
 
I also want to clarify something, Zack was killed by the Shin-ra soldiers and not by the Turks, right?
 
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