In defense of Vanille.

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Warning: OPINIONS.

Before you start wondering what's wrong with me, allow me to explain.

Vanille at first appeared to me as an annoying teenage girl that I would absolutely detest. Her consistent optimism was completely inappropriate. I knew I couldn't do much though, so I dealt it, although really dreading the parts where I played her and Sazh. However, I was unaffected by her accent, unlike most people, I suppose.

Skipping ahead a good bit -in Chapter 6, nearing the end, where I started to really think about the characters, my opinion on her didn't change too much from what I had expect. She completely disregards Sazh's predicament with his son. At first I thought "What a total b****!" but there was something about the way she did it struck a nerve in me. I began to contemplate why exactly is this girl so happy all the time. I pressed on, slowly beginning to accept her odd, even immature personality. Soon I was getting a small glimpse unexpected emotion, when she crawls next to Sazh unknowingly, it made me start to wonder what the hell's going on here? Where's my stereotypical anime optimistic attitude I've come to expect?

Chapter 8 was when her character really began to shine. Her inner guilt was tearing her apart. We've all had those moments -where you want so badly to get something off your chest, but can't conjure up with will. The last two events in the chapter was what really did it for me.
When Nabaat explains to Sazh what happened to his son, not only was I in shock that the revealing came in this way, but I was literally at the edge of my seat waiting to see Vanille's reaction. Right after this -her hallucination of Sazh killing her was the perfect way of showing the guilt she has been bearing. The entire scene that follows is one of the best, in my opinion. You can really feel the emotions of both characters pouring out of their mouths, and movements. The entire scene I was up out of my chair, getting ready to ball my eyes out.

Vanille admits that she isn't the character we all expected her to be. She tried to convince herself that she was happy by acting it the whole time. Also, the game begins to show that Vanille lies to everyone to keep them happy. Maybe not be the best way of doing it, but it does work.

This was the point where I really began to love her. Despite all her inner conflict she would do everything she could to keep the others from falling prey to the same emotions. It made sense to me why her reaction to Sazh in chapter 6 was so inappropriate. She tries so hard to hide it what she knew. Something inappropriate would be the only thing to take her mind off of it.

From here on out, I felt strong, as well as mixed emotions from Vanille. I was able to maintain my opinion of her false optimism throughout the next few chapters. Her desire of happiness was really effecting me. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there that could agree that we all share that desire.

After the entire game I felt a pretty good connection to most of the characters, and prepared myself for the final battle.

I could go on to explain why this entire chapter made me fall in love with Vanille even more, but I'm sure if you've played the game, you already know why. The voice actor's last parts were phenomenal. Looking back, I realize that I had actually forgotten that this was just a game. I literally felt as if Vanille was a real person. When she and Fang sacrificed themselves to save Cocoon from crashing into Pulse, It felt as if I was being hit by a wave of depressed from one side of me, and one of pride on the other. This was the first Final Fantasy game that had made me literally stare at the screen with tears in my eyes during the entire credits segment, and even 5 minutes after from being in awe of what I had witness.

Wrapping up, I felt that Vanilles character was truly one of the greatest I've ever come across. She seemed very involved with all the characters in the story, having a significant effect on each. She was a very emotionally complex character, and had undergone the most change in the game, all while avoiding typical storyline clichés. I also felt that her voice actor was among the best in the game -every emotion felt portrayed in the right tone, especially in her serious scenes. PHENOMENAL.

Now! With all this being said, I would also like to state that her dialogue IN battle was a bit strange. However, it really didn't bother me. I just learned to accept it, I suppose.
 
To me there is nothing wrong with Vanille,when your talking about the character and personality of her.........She's alright there.................

But in my opinion her voice is the worst thing about her................
But other than that she's alright...............I think people are just judging her by her voice before,even knowing her life and such.
 
My only problem with Vanille was that she creamed her pants at every oppurtunity. Very embarrassing when the neighbors are having a BBQ.
 
Vanille's probably my favourite FFXIII character (tied with Hope), I loved her months before I even got the game / it was released.

Chapter 8 was when her character really began to shine. Her inner guilt was tearing her apart. We've all had those moments -where you want so badly to get something off your chest, but can't conjure up with will. The last two events in the chapter was what really did it for me.
When Nabaat explains to Sazh what happened to his son, not only was I in shock that the revealing came in this way, but I was literally at the edge of my seat waiting to see Vanille's reaction. Right after this -her hallucination of Sazh killing her was the perfect way of showing the guilt she has been bearing. The entire scene that follows is one of the best, in my opinion. You can really feel the emotions of both characters pouring out of their mouths, and movements. The entire scene I was up out of my chair, getting ready to ball my eyes out.

Chapter 8 is an amazing Vanille / Sazh chapter, I think it's where you really start to understand what's going on inside her head as opposed to just thinking she's happy-go-lucky all the time. She has that inner turmoil that she has to deal with, and she deals with it alone. She's been with Sazh all that time, and finds out that it was inadvertently her fault. Thus feeling responsible for what happened.

Vanille admits that she isn't the character we all expected her to be. She tried to convince herself that she was happy by acting it the whole time. Also, the game begins to show that Vanille lies to everyone to keep them happy. Maybe not be the best way of doing it, but it does work.

This was the point where I really began to love her. Despite all her inner conflict she would do everything she could to keep the others from falling prey to the same emotions. It made sense to me why her reaction to Sazh in chapter 6 was so inappropriate. She tries so hard to hide it what she knew. Something inappropriate would be the only thing to take her mind off of it.

She is a rather interesting character, she and Fang are the most vital aspects of the plot character wise if you ask me. The others are important but this isn't their first happening with the Fal C'ie, they've done this before hundreds of years before.

Now! With all this being said, I would also like to state that her dialogue IN battle was a bit strange. However, it really didn't bother me. I just learned to accept it, I suppose.

I have to admit, despite me making a thread about it. It didn't really bother me that much. :lew:
It was a bit odd at times, like the noise she makes during Gaian Salvo, but that was the VA, not her character if you think about it. Again, it still didn't bother me too much though.
 
Chapter 8 is an amazing Vanille / Sazh chapter, I think it's where you really start to understand what's going on inside her head as opposed to just thinking she's happy-go-lucky all the time. She has that inner turmoil that she has to deal with, and she deals with it alone. She's been with Sazh all that time, and finds out that it was inadvertently her fault. Thus feeling responsible for what happened.
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Yes that is the only chapter in which I don't mind Vanille at all..........When she feels guilty about stuff.

Even though she still had the same voice :hmph: She wasn't that bad in Chapter 8.............

I'm not a hater I just dislike her voice and her over cheerful attitude with things..........

SE needs to get rid of childish characters.........and kiddie moments........
 
The way I see it, Vanille is pretty much the opposite of Lightning in personality - she's leaning toward deep instead of leaning toward shallow. I can see how they needed Vanille in the game to keep things from becoming dull.

Light is still one of my favorite characters though.
 
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I don't have anything against Vanille, I actually find her personality fun and jolly. The only thing would be the voice acting. Yeah it's good and all but she gives so much 'ohh', 'ahh' and 'uhh'. Seriously, I often notice this during the cut scenes XD. I know this doesn't make sense but that's the only flaw I see on Vanille, everything else about her is likable :jess: Though Lightning will always be my fave character, I'm more into Vanille's opposite.
 
in defense of vanille...

1) she isn't hope.
2) she isn't hard on the eyes.
3) you can always hit MUTE.
 
The voice doesn't bother me.She does act like an airhead at times....but who cares ?
Doesn't matter.
 
Agreed to a certain extent; not the biggest fan of Vanille but I did enjoy the change in character, and her nature. On the outside, annoyingly hyper, optimistic, pushing people forward, yet can be one of the most depressing characters to watch because of her inability to voice her real opinion and feelings to the other characters out of fear, and genuinely doesnt believe in herself, but still tries to get others to do better (such as wee Hope earlier in the game when his mam dies)

The reason I play Final Fantasy is because of the characters and the story, not so much the gameplay, and Vanille is the type of character I would associate with the series. Yes, the giddyness is annoying, but she is one of the best developed characters in the series in my opinion.

Also I liked the accent as I'm not American and it gets tiring listening to the same accent in every game since X even if they are from a completely different part of the world or different time peroid. It was an interesting feature that two people from a different part of the world had different accents to the Cocoon characters and it made them stand out that bit more, while in the other games most characters had a general American accent with the exception of one or two (Wakka in FFX for example) even if they were from completely different places or worlds. It was always something that annoyed me. The game developers took time to make them look unique but didnt make them sound unique to their setting.
 
Hello everyone, this is my very first post. I'm a avid Final Fantasy player as well as the Suikoden series. I'm glad I found somewhere to discuss things. Now to the subject at hand.

Out of the entire series Vanille has grown to be one of my favorite characters if not my favorite. Her complex personality, the fact shes easy on the eyes, and the burdens shes carried throughout the game are facinating to me. I actually really liked her voice. There are numerous opinions on what her and Fangs relationship but when I look at it, it is what it is. I think they have a strong sisterly family like bond and I don't think any of their feelings to eachother are sexual in anyway (I've heard such comments). Everyone she came into contact with she had real feelings for them weather it was Sahz, Serah, Fang, or any of the other characters. I can understand why she wouldn't want to hurt them with the truth. Although the truth is what ultimatley set her free at that age and with such big 'truthes' to say I can understand her reasoning. Its hard to get a good grip of the story and whats goin on during a first playthrough but I'm on my 4th playthough and you can really feel the hate for Pulse very early in the game. Sahz, especialy, hes very opinionated and holds nothing back when talking about Pulse or Cocoon. He says something "it must of been that scum from pulse", that can do nothing but put more pressure on Vanille to hide truth even longer. As a character in whole, I found Vanille to be the most useful out of the bunch in the way I play. The book suggests using Lightning, Hope, and Fang but I use the same party with Vanille and without Hope. Hopes lack of HP is enough for me not to want to use him among other reasons. I didn't like the fact in most paradigms you would have to start by healing just so he can slap some status enhancers on. So with Vanille in the group, with the Belladonna rod, I'm constantly taking advantage of her great Saboteur skills while Lightning and Fang go to town on the enemy.
 
[FONT=&quot]I'm new here and I don't know most opinions here but mine is that I'm going well along her. Some times when she whistles makes me want to slap her in her branded booty, but besides this and unlike many "dense" jrpg characters, she is not irritating.

Probably she has the right weight and the place on FFXIII. Without Vanille's eloquence the game would be monotonous I suppose. I think people are very worried by the different reasons. Final Fantasy XIII is not a true Final Fantasy because misses to give something, instead it shows way to much. The storyline is very consistent (I would say FFXII meets FFVII) and the characters are impressively complex at the same status as FFVII.[/FONT]
 
I don't hate Vanille. She, Sazh and Lightning to me where the most interesting and decent characters. Fang was okay too. I just didn't like her inappropriate cheeriness. She was very annoying at times and sometimes I just want to hear her voice. She is a very pleasant character and her summon is cool. She is cute!
 
in defense of vanille...

1) she isn't hope.
2) she isn't hard on the eyes.
3) you can always hit MUTE.

I am going to have to agree with this 100%. Hope may actually scratch that he is my most hated character in all games period. I have never ever seen a character that I wanted to throw off a cliff into a volcano more.

Lighting should of just ditched his weakling ass when the split up the 1st time.
 
Hope is the Justin Bieber of Final Fantasy.

As for Vanille, I found her irritating at times, but it seemed to be intentional as it was obvious the other characters found her strange as well, even overbearing. So this was probably the reaction that the game developers wanted from the player as well, seeing as though we as the players are in the story as well, albeit in a silent and invisible role. I found her character development and relationships with the other characters well thought out. This is one of the things I loved about FFXIII - the dynamics between the characters. They weren't just a bunch of random dudes flying around on an airship - they all had opinions of each other and relationships that grew and changed during the game. Though Vanille did not interact with Lightning or Snow much, the focus of the story seemed to be her relationship with Sazh, Fang and Serah, and the terrible guilt she felt for the way she had altered all their fates by her fear to face her own destiny. She didn't need to be a moody, brooding character to accomplish this, which is why, to me, she was so effective. They took the perky-girl archetype and dumped her in a very serious situation, thereby forcing her to break out of the stereotype she is often boxed into.
 
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