Serious I'm thinking of suing someone

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So I have an issue, some of you may be familiar with it considering I've bawwwed about it so much.

Me and my boyfriend have been dealing with an Internet Government Visa Agency for the last 6 months. For a (not so small) fee of 2100$, they would assist us in gathering the right documents and help us process his Work Permit so that he could continue working here.

But as it so happens, they lied. The last time we spoke, they had told us his part time job would be good enough to get a certain document, to later get his Permit. When we contacted Immigration Canada, they said this was not the case. To get a Work Permit, he would need a full 40 hour job. Had we known this from the very beginning, we would have tried Permanent Residence, or tried to find him a new job. However the adviser said this wouldn't be a problem, and continued to assure us that it wouldn't. Something was fishy. Our adviser said he would look online, call agencies in our area, do everything he could to help him find a new 40 hour job.

We never heard from them again.

We email, we call, we email again, this time angrier and maybe with some caps... and nothing. They've completely shut off contact. I've contacted a few local lawyers in my area, but the lawyer fee may be too much and not even compensate what we get back. Plus, one said that they'd be unable to help.

So I only just recently sent them a new email, saying to give us a refund (Of the 2100 owed, we had paid 1900$.. neglecting to pay the last 200 cause we were suspicious at this point), or we'll just up and sue them. The only issue being... they live all the way out in Toronto Ontario, I'm in BC. For anybody who doesn't know Canadian Geography, these are opposite ends of the country. After my bf is gone home and out of the country, I'll have no issue continuing this suit to get our money back. 1900$ is too much to just 'forget', especially when 700 of that was directly from my tax return. :mokken:

I guess my reasoning for posting this is... does anybody have any advice? Their office is clear across the country, and I'm attempting to file a small claims suit against them, which usually doesn't go anywhere into court unless they countersue or want to dispute it, in which case I'll probably have to go there. I'm also unsure if I file my claim or, or have to file it there... if I'll even have a fighting chance at this... =/

The whole thing being is that for a 150$ Work Permit (Yes, after looking on Immigration Canada, that's how much they cost), we paid them an excess of 1700$ for 'services' of which they didn't provide.

Ugh... lonely depths of FFF... guide my lawsuit... What do you think?
 
I guess I'd say if you wish to sue them is to be sure you have evidence in order to prove that they did lie and not just 'their word against yours'. Did you read their fine print? Were you proactive about researching as much detail as possible about getting your boyfriend a work permit? In many cases, it may not be worth the effort when you don't have specific documented evidence. It's hard to pinpoint these things in order to back up your case. Take the advice of the lawyers you contacted. As irritating and financially devastating as it may've been, you'll probably put yourself in the hole even more if you pursue this regardless of whether you make a small claims and win. You might just get reimbursed for your losses, but you'll have to come up with lawyers fees, etc.
 
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Thanks for the pessimism Dee. :monster: Regarding gathering documents, we were in quite the hole about that. Considering they had locked us out of our online account, we're unable to access anything on their website. However I am certain we signed no legally binding contract... which would then have no say about no refund.

Fortunately enough, when I made this thread I had sent them quite the nasty letter to their feedback email threatening to sue. The following morning, we had two replies already. They apologized thoroughly and offered to call us and continue with our case, however I said it was pointless... he's got his ticket, he's going home, there's no job for him anymore... The head office guy then called that day and offered to sort something out with our refund, alluding that we would get it back.

Now we're giving them a day or two to contact us to let us know they have it and ask for our bank details (we had to cancel his bank card after they took out a payment before consulting us)... or we'll just call them tomorrow.

Also, apparently our agent is in quite the pickle with the boss guy. Huzzah. :monster:
 
Sounds like quite a scam. If you continue to have problems, I'd consider contacting the Better Business Bureau and filing a complaint. It sounds like that you're getting a response, though, so this might not result in a lawsuit.
 
Oh, it most certainly does sound like a scam now... in hind sight, it sounded like a good idea paying a company a bit extra to sort out a Work Permit for us since we were kind of in the dark about it. But when the permit costs 150$ and we were paying 2100? For some reason the light switch just didn't go on.

Thanks for the BBB link though, if we have issues I'll look into that.
 
It's good you're finally getting a reply. Just keep on them and puff your chest out. I doubt they want to go through a lawsuit; especially the guy who was at fault. Hopefully you'll get this worked out.
 
It feels good to get some support and optimism about this. Up until the other day, my folks were all "Just be ready to kiss that money goodbye." or "Don't count on it."

Granted, I may be jinxing myself now by saying this...
 
While support is nice, it's best not to fill oneself with false hope, I always say. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything about trying to get your money back, you definitely should, but being prepared to 'kiss the money goodbye' is a very plausible reality. In any case, you might be pleasantly surprised and I think that's always best.
 
To be honest it should depend on which country your beloved is from? I am assuming he is not from the same continent so the rules should be different. Once I had emmigrated all my documents were sorted within weeks, at no charge so I find yours to be slightly bafflinf that you have paid over 10 times as much for a work permit.

Do they have a special medical form (EHIC if he's European) or a when you went to the migration services did you not get a stamp or anything in his passport? See, if you imagine where all your details are on a passport, I have two. I have where I was born and my Citizenship, then I have my residency and other information on another side. (British Citizen - Swedish Resident)

Mine is valid for 3 years at a time, which then I have to renew. But If I do it this way it counted as a work permit too. So did you have to get a work permit, or couldn't you claim residency because he could stay in your home with you?

As for the full time job thing it is total bullshit because realisitically it's not going to happen. We are rougly the same age, so I am guessing this guy is similar too. It's a joke to expect someone foreign (even if speaking the same language or more) to attain a full-time job without some sort of sponsor in the first place. Thus why most people don't reccomend that you emmigrate in the first place without a trade or sponsored move. Preferably both.

I know it's different in other countries and a lot stricter in North America but I don't understand the whole point of this Internet Visa thing to apply for a work permit. You should be able to apply for them (For this low price, if at all. Not sure how it works in Canada.) in the same City as you are living in. Perhaps the nearest biggest city. Assuming you don't live out on the stix. There must be thousands of ways to keep them in the country.

How long does one of these Visa's last? I think a lawsuit would make it worse off. I know you have to sit and bitchfit for your money back because the way I see it (and I could be wrong) is that it's been a waste of money. But even with the lawsuit, as you said it would cost too much overall. Chances are they would try suing you too.

It seems weird though. Hopefully I can help in some way seeing as I own the T-shirt if you know what I mean. but you should be able to go to the Migration Services in any biggish city and apply for residency through there which should cover a work permit (Maybe for about a year till you re-apply) and possibly even medical because I have a feeling you went without that. Though he might have to pay for it he's not from North America. I got mine for free though. Guess the EU got one thing right haha =D

But yeah, I have probably missed out thousands of vital details so if there is anythign speciffic feel free to ask and I'll explain what I did or whatever and hopefully it can clarify it and make it easier.

I would nag the fuckers though for that money and I'd tell them to fax documents or email or some shit because it almost seems...illegitemate.

Good luck though!
 
It totally was illegitimate. =/ Or at least feels that way. It's been two weeks since I threatened them with a law suit which they jumped up to say we could have our money back, and we're still emailing them day after day to try get it back, but the main guy is always 'busy' or 'on lunch'. One day he was on lunch for 2 hours from 1:30 to 3:30 their time.

My boyfriend's from England, and I'm from Canada, so we're both of commonwealth countries which should make this a tad easier on us.. but not really. We weren't aware at the time when we started this with these people that a Work Permit was only 150$... we thought there would be hundreds of other hidden costs and fees. So we thought, go with an Agency, they can set it up perfectly for us. And it was going okayish until they left out the vital part that he needed a 40 hour job.. otherwise we would have stopped, or found a different job.

However he's injured his back, and had to quit his job for the last month that he's been here. He has some sort of rare back deforming disease and needs treatment for it, which'll cost thousands of dollars.. so Work Permit is out, and Permanent Residence is in now, because then he'll be covered under our health care.

PR we haven't tried though because there isn't a huge tie for him to this country, unless y'know... I married him. If I didn't, and we did a Spousal/Common-Law Partner PR Visa, we needed to be together PHYSICALLY consecutively for 12 months. We didn't have that earlier, but now with the Visa he was just on, he was here and we were living together for 12 months. So now we have at least one criteria for it.

PR Visa's are more expensive and processing time is longer, I think 6-7 months... We're prepared to be a part for that long, if I can get the money together I'll go visit him there for a bit... but PR is our best bet right now for his back and getting us together long term.

Thanks for wanting to help, maybe you really can help out with a lot of advice since you went through it. :3
 
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