If truly hotter does not exist then explain this ?

[Oerba Yun Fang]

To address the original post: that is an appeal to popularity. Stats show the majority of people think 'person A' is hot, therefore she is. That is a lagic fallacy and not a logical argument.

In my opinion, anything based of opinion, anything that is subjective, has no absolute truth. No one person can be for definate the most beautiful. However, you CAN say 'person A has the clearest, most clean skin, the cleanest hair, a proportioned body, a healthy sized body' etc. This is all very valid as confirming tests can be done. This doesn't make her the most beautiful, because even the concept of beautiful itself is subjective.

 

[Korytco]

Generalized beauty is generally true. Generally speaking angelia Jolie is hotter than a 400 pound woman.....

Generalized beauty

 

[Donald Trump]

But that doesn't mean she is 'truly hotter'. It just means that more people find her attractive.
Lets say that a survey was taken about what people's favourite fast food is. And let us say that KFC wins, that does not mean that KFC tastes better than Burger King.

Also you contrast Angelina Jolie to a someone who weighs four hundred pounds. Why don't we replace the four hundred pound women with Jessica Alba. She and Angelina do not look alike but both are considered to be beautiful.

 

[Korytco]

But that doesn't mean she is 'truly hotter'. It just means that more people find her attractive.
Lets say that a survey was taken about what people's favourite fast food is. And let us say that KFC wins, that does not mean that KFC tastes better than Burger King.

Also you contrast Angelina Jolie to a someone who weighs four hundred pounds. Why don't we replace the four hundred pound women with Jessica Alba. She and Angelina do not look alike but both are considered to be beautiful.

They are not a like but next to a 400 pound woman they have more similarities than you could write down. That is why I picked both extremes to make a point.

 

[der Astronom]

You probably mean to say if you picked someone who was Angelina Jolie, but 400 pounds, and the Angelina Jolie as we know her as she looks now, because you can pick a 400 pound woman who is nothing like Angelina Jolie. If that's not the case, then you'll have to admit you have a bias against obese people.

 

[Korytco]

I do not hate obese people but I would agree that I believe they are less beautiful in appearance than healthy women. I have been considering that there is a generalized beauty and that jolies as we know them now are more beautiful.


Its really late for me but I am going to try to make a post

Well let's look at reality , shall we?

Most hollywood actresses are skinny, looking good.

Play boy magazine, most models are skinny , and healthy

Mary mother of Jesus is always depicted a healthy woman

Video game characters are almost always healthy when speaking women

Most art work when searching woman art, lady art is a healthy female depicted

Venus of urbino and its many spin offs are of healthy models

PlayBoy a magazine that sold millions , billions maybe copies is all healthy women

Commericals all use healthy women unless its a before and after commercial - for the most part

Cartoons that depict hot women to kids are all healthy babes ....99 percent of the time.

A show were babes run around in red bikinis called Bay Watch was possible and successful because of conception that it was sexy, beautiful enough for large masses to watch and enjoy. There is not a lot to the show besides that.

I am sure that there are many many more examples . Of this modern era at least .

 

[Donald Trump]

Its really late for me but I am going to try to make a post

Well let's look at reality , shall we?

Most hollywood actresses are skinny, looking good.

Play boy magazine, most models are skinny , and healthy

Mary mother of Jesus is always depicted a healthy woman

Video game characters are almost always healthy when speaking women

Most art work when searching woman art, lady art is a healthy female depicted

Venus of urbino and its many spin offs are of healthy models

PlayBoy a magazine that sold millions , billions maybe copies is all healthy women

Commericals all use healthy women unless its a before and after commercial - for the most part

Cartoons that depict hot women to kids are all healthy babes ....99 percent of the time.

A show were babes run around in red bikinis called Bay Watch was possible and successful because of conception that it was sexy, beautiful enough for large masses to watch and enjoy. There is not a lot to the show besides that.

I am sure that there are many many more examples . Of this modern era at least .

Actually what all of them have in common is that they are skinny wimmz with big tits.
A few of them have implants. Which some people would say are hot and others would find them unattractive.

Also lulz about Mary.


















She is hot, is she not?

As for holiwood women, what about Bridget Jones( can't remember her real name).
Or Keira Knightley, she is a lot skinnier than other actresses.

The definition of healthy isn't exactly precise. A lot of the women you have mentioned aren't exactly healthy. Silicon implants and being 'skinny' is not healthy. That's not to say it is very unhealthy.
Also you seem to think that not being 'skinny' is unhealthy. Being fat and obese is unhealthy, but being overweight isn't.

 

[der Astronom]

And then there's the people who have low metabolism, and their doctors say there's no point in trying to make themselves skinnier; they'd have to do a lot of exercise in order to lose any of it, and it wouldn't make them any healthier. Just because they don't look "healthy" (ie, skinny) to you doesn't mean they aren't healthy.

I don't really know what the point of this thread is anymore. We've already conceded that beauty is subjective, so the fact that most people think skinny women are hot doesn't exactly mean much.

 

[Korytco]

Generalized beauty , as I brought it back up a few times. I respect you as a poster, but this is still on topic. There is a generalized beauty.

 

[der Astronom]

So now are you saying it's impossible for a group of people to believe an overweight woman is more beautiful than a skinny woman?

 

[Sephiroth Crescent]

Its possible this has been mentioned, but this is my input.

Beauty exists in the eyes if the beholder, some people like different kinds of things.

Some people like different things in the opposite sex, I read your examples of "hotness" and I can only say thats what the media wants you to think is "hot", or what they consider hot.

Everybody has different tastes, for example.

Bob - Likes girls with small features, and a babyish face, aka a "cute" girls.

To Bob a girl with the above is going to be hotter than a girl who doesn't meet his criteria, but that doesn't mean girls who Bob is physically attracted to are hotter than those girls who he doesn't.

Basically what I'm trying to say the word "hotter" ist universal(I think Karl already said this), I can see what you mean, I'm sure X amount of people might think Jessica Alba is hotter than Kirstie Alley, but that doesnt mean that Jessica Alba is hotter than Kirstie Alley(actually wtf am I saying ). But you get what I mean.

- Kuja

 

[Korytco]

So now are you saying it's impossible for a group of people to believe an overweight woman is more beautiful than a skinny woman?

I think there is a common conception of what is beautiful and it is not large woman. No, I did not say what you suggest though. I think the larger group likes healthy women.

Kuja, you make some good points.

 

[Donald Trump]

I think there is a common conception of what is beautiful and it is not large woman. No, I did not say what you suggest though. I think the larger group likes healthy women.

Define healthy, my views, your views and a doctor's views on what healthy is are likely to be different.
Also that isn't generalised beauty either, it just excludes large women from your definition of beauty. You still haven't come close to generalised beauty, except for saying that it does not comprise of fat women.

 

[Korytco]

Define healthy, my views, your views and a doctor's views on what healthy is are likely to be different.
Also that isn't generalised beauty either, it just excludes large women from your definition of beauty. You still haven't come close to generalised beauty, except for saying that it does not comprise of fat women.

I still think most people in the world prefer a fine frame , tuned and fit, rather than a truck load of lard and self hate, and health problems. Just me...

 

[der Astronom]

There are fat people who are proud of themselves. Some of them are that way because they've learned to accept that they have diabetes (the genetic type) and can't help it, or are looking to set a new Guiness record or something. Whatever reason they choose, it's not really any of your business. Criticize them all you want, but I'm sure they won't agree with you.

 

[Serah]

I still think most people in the world prefer a fine frame , tuned and fit, rather than a truck load of lard and self hate, and health problems. Just me...

You seriously are beginning to upset me with your comments and remarks on bigger people. Keep in mind, there are heavier set people on this forum and you need to watch what you say. No, most people in the world wouldn't prefer it because you'd be surprised at how many do prefer bigger people over smaller ones. I think men who have these bulging abs, arms and legs are sickening looking. I think men who are skinny, puny and have nothing to them are just as sickening if not more. As you've probably seen, I'm one of the thinner, toned people out there and puny, ripped men are still not my preference. There, that's my opinion.

As for the health problems? Everybody in this world has some type of health problem, but if you grow close to the person, even grow to love them, no matter what size they are, health problems mean nothing to you. Even skinny, toned people have health problems whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

I still think most people in the world prefer a fine frame , tuned and fit, rather than a truck load of lard and self hate, and health problems. Just me...

You'd be surprised, I've yet to hear to anyone close to me (ie, friends) say they like someone because of their weight. A lot of people note specific features when they say they like someone; eyes, smiles etc. (that has been the case in the SB many a times when a picture of someone has been brought up).

From personal perspective, yes, I do find slimmer women more attractive but that's just me, and I don't mean these anorexic models who have nothing on them, but I can still see the views of others on women with more weight on them and how they find them attractive.

All being said, I find specific features on people more attractive than their actual weight and above all their personality, I think you've forgotten that is a major attracting feature to most people.

Slim person...treats you like shit.
Larger person...one of the kindness people you've met.

I think the latter of the two wins hands down.

*Edit*
Also, the OP just shows screen shots of figures and not the actual opinions of the members there...it also won't back up your slimmer vs larger women because both Adriana Lima and Heidi Klum are models, which leads me into thinking it's down to specific features.

 

[Korytco]

To be honest I do not despise, hate larger women. Speaking the eye though, I just do not find them as appealing .

I am just confident that most people wouldn't. That is all, that is just my opinion , and I have read your opinions and yes I agree I may be surprised how many men like larger women, and vise versa . I still think that its divided and that one take is more popular than the other.


There for making a popular generalized beauty conception.

I apologize if I have upset larger women here, I know that means nothing because things I have said can not be taken back. But I have been honest my whole life, and I not am lying now. I do not think heavier women are generally more beautiful , I do not think they are popular or most of the choices of what is seen as beautiful.

I would imagine some heavier women realize this, and that is fine women, because as many note there is still someone out there that wants you . I am just stating that I think generally speaking the popular conception, the most of the choices , on a poll ,the higher of votes, would be a slimmer woman. That does not mean that the poll choice large woman would not have 1000s of votes or more, but not the most I believe .

I do not care if they agree with me, but I can state my opinion can't I ? Hell I can say that I hate people who cut there selves and bleed to death, does that mean I can stop it ? Does that mean if I was sentimental to their cutting and said it was ok , that they would have stopped. Maybe, but as a problem coating it in roses , as supposed to criticisms ....well....enough of you are sentimentalists, and I just do not support women being larger .

Yes, some are born that way, some have health problems, fine I am sure that they accept that they will be the way they are by now. They should not care what I say about them. Who the hell am I ? I am just a forum opinion, if they break down because of some text on a screen, one poster out of 6 pages of users that disagree with that one poster then they have WAY WAY more problems than being larger. Then they have regrets for being large, are not secure and maybe they should do something about that weight . Other wise I would like to think they could brush me off.

This is not about hating fat women, its about an honest statement that the world views fat as fat for the most part. Though some of you are not honest, most of you would be a bit disgusted to see a fat sweaty woman on a park bench with stains all over her shirt and her hair a mess, and the way she smells and reeks.

Some guys like larger women, good for you. Tapping into what is honest here though, not intellectual, not senstivie you get to the core that the majority popular opinion, conception of beauty is sleeker women.

Sure they could be 1000s that llike larger women, but on a world poll I think sleeker women would win.

I think on a forum poll they would, I think on 10 forum polls they would.

 

[der Astronom]

What are you going to do, stick a genetically diabetic lady into a corset?

However, if it were true that this was mere Internet opinion, and that you are free to state what you wish, then that would mean we could allow people to express things worse than that. Which is why we warn people for flaming and such. It is not that people become offended by what other strangers on the Internet say; that's what Encyclopedia Dramatica is for, but in principle, we don't want other people thinking we let people say fat people have to exercise more because they're ugly or whatever other personal reason you might have because it doesn't represent FFF as a whole, and as a community, we would like to respect other people for who they are, and not what they look like. If you want to express your personal opinion that fat people have to exercise, we will also express our opinion on what fat people choose to do with their own lives.

Yes, I know there are fat people that might seem disgusting to you, and you can describe them in detail, and I can count them in Disneyland (sorry, but there were lots of them there. I mean no offense if you somehow ended up on my counter when I was there.) However, if you don't like the sight of them, there are other better sights that you can see. If they're just sitting on a park bench, then go elsewhere. Look at the other scenery or something. There will always be unpleasant sights out there in the real world. Like other girls dressed scantily. Or car accidents. Or robberies. Or murders. I'd like not to see fat sweaty people or scantily dressed people, but it is not my right to tell them what to do with their lifestyle or what they wear.

 

[Korytco]

What are you going to do, stick a genetically diabetic lady into a corset?

However, if it were true that this was mere Internet opinion, and that you are free to state what you wish, then that would mean we could allow people to express things worse than that. Which is why we warn people for flaming and such. It is not that people become offended by what other strangers on the Internet say; that's what Encyclopedia Dramatica is for, but in principle, we don't want other people thinking we let people say fat people have to exercise more because they're ugly or whatever other personal reason you might have because it doesn't represent FFF as a whole, and as a community, we would like to respect other people for who they are, and not what they look like. If you want to express your personal opinion that fat people have to exercise, we will also express our opinion on what fat people choose to do with their own lives.

Yes, I know there are fat people that might seem disgusting to you, and you can describe them in detail, and I can count them in Disneyland (sorry, but there were lots of them there. I mean no offense if you somehow ended up on my counter when I was there.) However, if you don't like the sight of them, there are other better sights that you can see. If they're just sitting on a park bench, then go elsewhere. Look at the other scenery or something. There will always be unpleasant sights out there in the real world. Like other girls dressed scantily. Or car accidents. Or robberies. Or murders. I'd like not to see fat sweaty people or scantily dressed people, but it is not my right to tell them what to do with their lifestyle or what they wear.

Ok , I am done with this. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

This post was just too calm, rational for me to mess with. We need more people like this.

I believe certain generalizations exist, maybe they don't. Ok, thanks for the replies everyone ,and if it is a constellation I once had a crush on a girl slightly over weight, not 300-400 pounds but a little extra . I can go for that.