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I'm sure that all of you who play this game know about this. The biggest day in FFXI history happened just a few days ago.

http://kotaku.com/5137673/hundreds-of-players-banned-in-final-fantasy-xi

This isn't your normal "ban the rmt" this time, most those banned players were the BIG named players. Those that have been around for several years, making this game what it is today. Any of you BG members know how ape shit they are going. Hundreds of relic weapons lost, and not only that, SE took a big shit in the wounds of those they banned by upping the drop rate of the popular dupped items.

Greatest week ever.
 
It must have been a pretty serious incident for Square Enix to ban almost 1000 people (400 + 550). They should be banned for breaking the rules. They should have just played the game like they were suppose to and not duplicate the items. I agree that Square did this, but maybe not perma-ban them, just suspend them.
 
It depends on the amont done. If only once they only got a three day ban an remove of item. Funny cause some dupped one item and will lose a set of five.
 
Yowch, that's a lot of people... I bet you my cousin was on that list of banned users. He's such a cheater. I'll have to ask him. I've only played the game a very little bit myself, but he was an addict, hopefully he doesn't take it too hard if that has happened. Then again, cheaters usually get what's coming to them, they tend to make games like this one a lot less easy to get into for newer players.
 
I wonder how that decision was made. I've been looking around some FFXI forums and such and it seems like there really wasn't ever much in the way of punishments before now. Why go from super lenient to aggressively enforcing rules so quickly like that? Perma banning longtime players means they lose subscriptions. Yeah, they claimed to have just found out about the glitches... but considering how long they have been exploited I don't see how that's possible.
 
I think perma-banning the cheaters was a little harsh. I think SE should've just suspended them and removed the items they duplicated. The players have been paying a monthly fee for god knows how long and now all the time they spent playing has just gone to shit. SE made a mistake and now they are getting all pissy because they left the glitch unattended for too long. SE has no-one to blame but themselves for this.
 
Relient A said:
I wonder how that decision was made. I've been looking around some FFXI forums and such and it seems like there really wasn't ever much in the way of punishments before now. Why go from super lenient to aggressively enforcing rules so quickly like that? Perma banning longtime players means they lose subscriptions. Yeah, they claimed to have just found out about the glitches... but considering how long they have been exploited I don't see how that's possible.
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They've been banning about 1000 people at the start of the month for a very long time so its nothing new with them slamming the hammer. Its just that they normally attack rmt. This is mostly long time players.
 
Oh my God, thats alot of people. I bet there are some angry people out there. But if they deserved it, then perhaps a suspension of an account instead of a ban perhaps? But if it was majorly serious, then a ban is fair enough, but wow, imagine playing since day 1 and that happened over something petty.
 
Well technically duping is classified a severely detrimental bug for several reasons...

1: It wrecks the gameplay experience, this is because a whole guild could dupe the heck out of extremely rare weapons etc and equip there whole guild with them giving them a massively unfair advantage.

2: It wrecks the economy, if there are several copies of an item, demand lowers supply increases and prices bottom out making the items that people worked for to obtain practically worthless.

3: Its heavily open to exploitation, not only with the whole equiping out a guild/side/whatever, duping can also lead to other gameplay wrecking bugs, infamous ones in mmo's have been massive stat enhancements, overleveling beyond cap and infinite hp.

4: Its only commited by people who have no desire to enjoy the game, but ruin it for others by gaining unfair advantage anyway they can.

In closing, do I feel sorry for these people that got banned? Not one bit, cheaters are cheaters and thats that, they knew what they were getting into and they knew where it could possibly lead when they started doing it.

They took the risk, got caught and paid for it in full with there account, that to me is extremely fair justice!
 
Relient A said:
I wonder how that decision was made. I've been looking around some FFXI forums and such and it seems like there really wasn't ever much in the way of punishments before now. Why go from super lenient to aggressively enforcing rules so quickly like that? Perma banning longtime players means they lose subscriptions. Yeah, they claimed to have just found out about the glitches... but considering how long they have been exploited I don't see how that's possible.
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SE would have lost a lot more subscriptions if they just let the cheaters cheat. If they let FFXI turn into a big hack/cheat fest like PSO and PSU were a lot of people would quit. A lot more than 1000.

It doesnt matter that SE did'nt fix the glitch sooner, no game is perfect, especially a cross platform MMO. Stuff is going to go wrong no matter what. Theres rarely any gamebreaking bugs like this one, but just because its there doesnt mean its okay to exploit it. You agree to the ToS everytime you log in.

The reality is, most of these people are the same ones botting at HNM camps and using other cheat/exploits in the game. They will not be missed!
 
Permanently banning their most loyal members who’ve devoted years of their life to playing the game seems overly hash to me. Square Enix could have simply just suspended them for their violations.
 
No offense but if they were loyal, they wouldnt be cheating in the first place would they? It seems a pretty big thing they did, so, they deserved a big punishment.
 
CHIP said:
Permanently banning their most loyal members who’ve devoted years of their life to playing the game seems overly hash to me. Square Enix could have simply just suspended them for their violations.
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people that stoop to cheating no matter the form are not loyal to a company nor there friends that may have innocently been banned along with them in this case (duped items found on an account = ban) they are only loyal to there own selfish need and dont care who they walk over along the way.

I do feel for anyone that has aquired a duped item unwittingly, and I urge them to at least fight for there accounts back if they are truly innocent, but those that full well know they were doing it, wont have just had one instance but several instances of breaching the EULA therefore there ban is justified and thoroughly deserved. (EULA = End User Licence Agreement, that you accept when you sign onto an MMO, containing all the rules and regulations for those that havent played mmo's before)

for me this is a step in the right direction, allowing cheaters to go unpunished only tarnishes a companies rep until it becomes an avoided name (SoE and CM come to mind as they have been terrible for it in the past and I refuse to play another of there titles) show action against cheaters and the company gets praised as the company that actually cares about there product and in turn will probably see SE getting many more new subs to FFXI!
 
It's a harsh lesson for those subscribers. They may have been cheating but without any prior punishment, it really seems unfair. It's the equivalent of assigning imprisoning everyone who ever downloaded media illegally. Is it against the law? Sure. But it's something that's socially acceptable and generally has no consequences. Technically the ones dealing out the punishment are right... but it certainly seems unfair to change their policy on the matter so severely.
 
It seems like all those who say the punishment was to harsh are those that don't play, and those that agree with the punishment play.

Those that do not play really don't know how much one person cheating effects the entire game. Hundreds of people cheating like that is just ludicrous and they got what they deserved. These people will not be missed. It does not matter how much you gave to the community or how popular you are.
 
Imo, if they were cheating, well they know the rules. They shouldn't think they are immune to it and think they won't get caught out eventually. I'd feel sorry for anyone that got banned for unwittingly aquiring a dupe weapon or whatever though. I'd hope they were making a beeline for the people that actually do the whatever it is they are doing, and just remove any hacked items from the rest. If that's possible >_>

Anyway, serves #'em right for cheating. I'd be pissed if I spent hours days weeks whatever trying to get some rare shit, only to see a group of people running around having aquuired it no effort at all. AND it takes the fun out of the game <_<

Not that Ive never aquired hacked items before, but this was on PSO years ago...klinda made it too easy though, I'd lose my Pan Arms all the time, and get my friend to give me more, people had weapons that there should have only been like 1 or 2 in the whole online game, or that were completely banned.

On the whole it just ruins the experience I think. So they need to be cracked down on
 
Exactly, I agree 100% with Moondancer. FFXI has the rarest drop rate of any game I've ever played before. There are people who've been playing for five years and been trying for the same item for five years. So it really ticks you off when you try so hard and put so much effort into something for so long and another person can just turn on some program and get it.
 
Gray Fox said:
It seems like all those who say the punishment was to harsh are those that don't play, and those that agree with the punishment play.

Those that do not play really don't know how much one person cheating effects the entire game. Hundreds of people cheating like that is just ludicrous and they got what they deserved. These people will not be missed. It does not matter how much you gave to the community or how popular you are.
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Well, I have not played FFXI, but I am a 10 year vet of MMO's ranging from AO and DaoC to WoW and WAR.

I have played many games and know all too well the cause and effects of cheating in online games.

some of you believe this is a harsh punishment to undertake, but I'll put it this way to you...

Put yourself in the legit players shoes, those that dedicate there time and play the game for enjoyment rather than the play2win powergamers that resort to any tactic for an unfair advantage.

As a Former GM and community rep I can also state from this from the side of the company also and the rule of thumb as far as cheating and exploiting goes and the ban policy that most companies follow....

Once is on accident, twice is testing and a third time is exploiting!

Like I said before, the people that got banned will have had more than one instance of using the same exploit/bug over and over, hense square-enix's decision to ban these players, companies dont ban for an exploit happening once as its usually noted as a mistake, or rare circumstance, this does not mean that the player can also exploit the same bug once per character either as that would flag as multiple uses of the same exploit as the GM's have a permanent log of an accounts characters and violations.

Sometimes, GM's can make mistakes and can ban the wrong people, I have witnessed this from a CS and a player point of view, as a player I understand the frustration and as a GM I can understand how its done, the most common case with duped items is a player unwittingly recieving a duped item as only the CS or the duper can tell its duped (duped items all carry the same string of code, each item should have a slight difference in its code string so that it can be recognised as a unique item, this cannot be seen by a player but only the bug hunters and programmers of the CS department as they have access to this code. And the duper knows full well as they were the one that used the exploit/bug to create it in the first place)

Like I previously stated, I completely understand the frustration of long-time players that possibly obtained duped items and were banned without knowledge, but chances are the bug hunter and programming team took a good look at all the item codes, spotted multiple violations and the decision to ban was reached.

The cases of legit players being banned will be minimal and I still believe SE did the right thing!

If you are a legit player that got banned, you should always appeal the ban, its very rare where a player who can prove there innocence will remain banned or even be banned in the first place!
 
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