FF XIII Epic legacy grows better than ever

[Razberry Knight]

1. Lol no, what consistent personality? He was normal a the end of 7 then trollmura came in with the crapilation and made him be depressed and whiny in all future cameos.

did they all take place in the same game? No. you have to understand that all characters change, Crisis Core was 7 years prior to the original, and Advent Children was 2 years after. and right now i'm only talking about how we began to love cloud in the original version.

iknew the moment you quoted me, you were going to turn everything around without really reading.

2. People change. Lightning is probably over 10,000 years old at this point. So in a way you are right: She is not the same Lightning we knew at the end of XIII... she's the Lightning who has fought non-stop for countless years in an unwinnable war. It changed her. She states quite clearly in her message to Serah in the Vile Peaks that she is getting desperate to end the war... desperate enough to pray to a god that she doesn't even know. She quite clearly states in Requiem of the Goddess that she literally has no hope left and that her only wish is to see Serah again. She also states that her past mistakes haunt her to this day and that with each loop, she is greeted with seeing all the souls that will be destroyed should Caius succeed and even comments that she sees the souls of those she personally killed. She feels guilty that all she can do is watch over her friends, yet she can't really do anything to help them other than to hold Caius back. All of this stuff has changed her into the person we saw in XIII-2.

you misquote me. i'm saying she changed "drastically" within one game. and XIII-2 we barely see any personality at all. She was just a supporting character.

There is also the fact that Lightning is very practical. What good would cynicism do in her situation? She has armies to lead, battles to fight, and people to protect. Having doubts about her actions would only hinder her when she needs to be decisive. And again, her situation is about protecting those she loves and cares about. Why would she be cynical about it?

Now, that's not to say that her cynicism is gone. It isn't. All that happened was that she lost the anger that fueled her early cynicism. When Serah asks if they'll be together after everything is said and done, Lightning doesn't respond with optimism. No, all she says is "One thing at a time, Serah". She doesn't know how things will pan out, and she doesn't cover this fact up. At the end of the opening, she is very cynical as she states "I can no longer protect Serah". Her narrations else where are laced with undertones of cynicism as she wonders if she'll ever be able to face Serah and repair their strained relationship (she has a massive guilt complex about XIII and still feels bad about not believing her) and whether or not things will work out at all. Again, it's not gone... its just more depressed and melancholic than cold and angry.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/64224271?page=2

Practical? not really. it's the thought process we see once in awhile but then the rest of the time we're left in the dark. Also just because you say everything has "cynicism" does not mean it is.

Fueled by cyicism isn't what i get from lightning at all...and even then, she still fails on the development stages. a 10, 000 year gap only to show a supporting cast-like character.

 

[Kuja9001]

did they all take place in the same game? No. you have to understand that all characters change, Crisis Core was 7 years prior to the original, and Advent Children was 2 years after. and right now i'm only talking about how we began to love cloud in the original version.

We say him literally change in game, the crapilation just took everything and threw it out.

you misquote me. i'm saying she changed "drastically" within one game. and XIII-2 we barely see any personality at all. She was just a supporting character.

Of course we didn't, she's not in the best position at the moment.

Practical? not really. it's the thought process we see once in awhile but then the rest of the time we're left in the dark. Also just because you say everything has "cynicism" does not mean it is.

Fueled by cyicism isn't what i get from lightning at all...and even then, she still fails on the development stages. a 10, 000 year gap only to show a supporting cast-like character.

I didn't write that,I just copied & Pasted from an intelligent 13 fan. Go translate the novels for everyone if you want to see development.

 

[Razberry Knight]

We say him literally change in game, the crapilation just took everything and threw it out.



I didn't write that,I just copied & Pasted from an intelligent 13 fan. Go translate the novels for everyone if you want to see development.

You can call it whatecer you want. You can say whatever lies you like. Doesnt means its so. Cloud was only featured in advent children and the change was temporary as the story was all about overcoming that change. In crisis core we get to see how cloud originally was and it doesnt contradict the story. Its lke hating a character for acting like a child in a prequel when he's actually a child.

I dont care if no one agrees with me, but im gonna say this: anyone who hates cloud for change that was bound to happen means you clearly disollusioned.

And the development shouldnt happen in the novels, it should be seen in the game. But the issue is the development didnt come genuine. What lightning did to grow, she couldve done before.

In Xiii-2 lightning's personality wasnt really changed that much. Mostly because the story was about serah. You just copied and pasted someone elses opinion thay didnt really fit into the main issue of lightning.