Female deselection

[Tedius Zanarukando]

This is a gender sensitive topic, and this is serious. However, my views toward the female sex are not the focus of this topic, so please do not post anything about my views toward women on this topic. The focus of this topic is on the female birth situation regarding the People's Republic of China and the Republic of India.

Female deselection is the act of rejecting a child just because it is a female, especially by fatal means. It is practiced in forms like feticide (using biopsy, ultrasound, or amniocentesis) or through immediate infanticide, or through abandonment. The most popular reason to abort a child is because it was a girl.

In both China and India, male birth is celebrated while female birth is frowned upon. This practice is called son preference, or female deselection. It is nothing new in either of these Asian countries. That cultural practice has been going on for millennia, even before Jesus's time, and it is deeply rooted in Chinese and Indian cultures. It is practiced for cultural, economic, and religious reasons.

The Chinese and Indians believe that sons are an asset and blessing and that daughters are a curse and liability. They believe that boys come from the angels and that girls come from the demons. This is something that nobody at FFF may want to believe.

Now on the People's Republic of China. In the People's Republic of China, there is a policy that parents-to-be are only allowed one child (or occasionally two children) per family. Because of the cultural practice of female deselection, they usually say, all too often, "I want a son, not a daughter." They are either aborted or killed immediately after birth, or abandoned. When they are abandoned they are taken to orphanages, not knowing their biological parents at all. Chinese baby girls are rarely raised by their own biological parents these days. Chinese orphanages are filled with baby girls because of this. The Chinese neologism for unwanted daughter is "buxuyaodinu." In China, when a daughter gets married, she leaves her family of origin and moves to her husband's family, leaving her parents behind for the government to care for them. Since the 1990s, thousands of Chinese baby girls have been adopted by Americans, Canadians, and Europeans.

An ancient Chinese poem translates:

When a son is born,
Let him sleep on the bed,
Clothe him with fine clothes,
And give him jade to play with.
How lordly his cry is!
May he grow up to wear crimson
And be the lord of the clan and the tribe.

When a daughter is born,
Let her sleep on the ground,
Wrap her in common wrappings,
And give her broken tiles for playthings.
May she have no faults, no merits of her own
May she well attend to food and wine,
And bring no discredit to her parents.

The principles of this poem still go on today in China.

Now on the Republic of India. Like China, the cultural practice of female deselection is nothing new in India and it is also strong there. Millions of women having been cut from India's population. Indian parents often abort baby girls because they do not want to pay dowry for a daughter's wedding. In India, the mothers have no say so in whether they want to let the female child live. It is either their husbands, their in-laws, or the doctors' decision to abort the baby girls. In India, entering a mother's womb as a girl is like auditioning for American Idol, and life as an Indian female is like an American Idol competition. It is believed that every year 12 million Indian girls are conceived, but only 1/3 of them survive. Some are aborted, some are slain right when they are born, some die due to poor health, and some die of malnutrition. Only a small percentage of Indian females survive to adulthood.

I have seen videos regarding female deselection on YouTube. I have studied about this subject across the Internet as well. If female deselection continues, India could become a womanless nation. The consequence of female deselection is social instability. Whom will these unattached Asian men marry? How would a nation without women be like?

 

[Rockman X]

What the hell is the point of this thread?

The Chinese and Indians believe that sons are an asset and blessing and that daughters are a curse and liability. They believe that boys come from the angels and that girls come from the demons. This is something that nobody at FFF may want to believe.

And believe it we shan't, because it's utterly ridiculous. Do YOU believe it?

The consequence of female deselection is social instability. Whom will these unattached Asian men marry? How would a nation without women be like?

A nation without women would die out in one generation, duh. And OH NOES, the poor unattached azn menz! Go turn on the Travel Channel sometime when they talk about Hong Kong. See all those wimminz running around the streets? I bet the azn menz aren't unattached. As for India, it's an extremely crowded country. It wouldn't be quite so crowded if all the wimminz were being aborted.

 

[Donald Trump]

even before Jesus's time, and it is deeply rooted in Chinese and Indian cultures.

Yeah because we all know that China and India are christian countries.

We all know about china's one child policy, I've never been to china, so i dont know how frequently female children are killed/aborted. As China's population is enormous, I don't think that there Female deselection is as frequent as it's made put to be, but like I said, I haven't been to China.

I'll be Devil's Advocate now.

they usually say, all too often, "I want a son, not a daughter

It's the men who work in China, and in China, the son supports his parents as he gets older, when he gets married his wife comes and lives with him and his family. So it's quite rational for parents to want to have a son, because they know he will support them in their old age.

China has no history of having strong females, whereas in England you have Boudicea and Queen Elizabeth. the PRC has only existed since 1949, so do you honestly expect society to have changed that much since then? It would be extremely unrealistic to, Mao's widow was in a position of power for a while following his death, but this didn't last, which shows that men are still dominant.

In India women lose their independence somewhat after they are married, normally it's their mother in law who does the most oppressing. However women are treated quite well in some circumstances, there are some denominations of hinduism which treat women as sacred, and men sometimes have sex change operations so they can become female.

I have seen videos regarding female deselection on YouTube. I have studied about this subject across the Internet as well.

Wow aren't they reliable sources? Youtube,
you probably watched some biased video and used it back up your own views about women, go to india and then talk about female deselection.
Lulz the internets may be serious business, but believe it or not believe it or not, they aren't 100% accurate. It's like a Michael Moore documentary, it sounds pretty compelling stuff, but if you know even the slightest bit about it, you know he is just picking the statistics that support his point of view.

Whom will these unattached Asian men marry?

That sounds slightly Xenaphobic, Oh Noes, these Asian Men aren't gonna come and marry the white wimminz are they?

How would a nation without women be like?

If you wern't such a sexist you'd realise that a nation without women would suck, they are quite literally the fairer sex, Mother Teresa was a women I know shocking huh.
On a more biological level, women are needed to perpetuate humanity, however i dont think humanity would be very good without teh wimminz.

 

[Deleted member 176]

Just want to add my two cents to this:

Yes it goes on, yes it conflicts with western views.

No it isn't as widespread as this post makes out, no it isn't "rare" for a girl to be raised by her own family.

the chinese one child rule has only been in effect for about the last generation, due to overpopulation.

In addition, saying "it's been going on for millenia" then saying "they will become womanless nations" is a bit silly.

If it's been happening for millenia, what makes you think it's suddenly going to become much worse.

yes boys are preferred to girls, but chinese and indian people aren't any different from you or I. The majority will love and nurture their child no matter what, either your post was deliberately inflammatory, or you just didn't do your research very well *shrugs*

 

[Rockman X]

We all know about china's one child policy, I've never been to china, so i dont know how frequently female children are killed/aborted. As China's population is enormous, I don't think that there Female deselection is as frequent as it's made put to be, but like I said, I haven't been to China.

No it isn't as widespread as this post makes out, no it isn't "rare" for a girl to be raised by her own family.

Yep

In addition, saying "it's been going on for millenia" then saying "they will become womanless nations" is a bit silly.

If it's been happening for millenia, what makes you think it's suddenly going to become much worse.

Yep And obviously not everyone is adhering to the rule, seeing as how China and India are so crowded and aren't going extinct. The race we should be worrying about are the Japanese, and that's not even from "deselection" as you call it. They're such workaholics nobody takes the time to settle down and have a family, so their numbers are actually declining. More elderly, less youth.

either your post was deliberately inflammatory, or you just didn't do your research very well *shrugs*

It's both. This is tame for his offensive posts, too.

 

[Tedius Zanarukando]

The original post of this thread is not intended to be inflammatory in any way. It is not intended to bash the female sex in any way. It has to do with research. I posted this thread in a neutral point of view, not in an anti- or profemale point of view. This has nothing to do with my views toward women. My views toward the female sex are not the focus of this topic. The YouTube videos I seen are speaking against female deselection, not in favor of it. I did not use them to back up my views toward the female sex. One YouTube video by Chintak Dholakia states, "Daughters are priceless. They are very precious. They love. They unite. They teach. They bless. And they enhance their family, their surrounding, and the whole world."

 

[Rockman X]

The original post of this thread was not intended to be inflammatory. It has to do with research. I posted this thread in a neutral point of view, not in an anti- or profemale point of view. This has nothing to do with my views toward women. My views toward the female sex are not the focus of this topic.

You need to do your research better then. You make it sound as if their populations are in a dire emergency because all their women are being aborted. Obviously this is not the case, given their large populations. Your research seems to be flawed.

And as Placebo pointed out, youtube is not exactly the most reliable source.

 

[Serah]

The original post of this thread is not intended to be inflammatory in any way. It is not intended to bash the female sex in any way. It has to do with research. I posted this thread in a neutral point of view, not in an anti- or profemale point of view. This has nothing to do with my views toward women. My views toward the female sex are not the focus of this topic.

When you post something like this in the debate forum, how can you not expect people to share their views? I see nothing flammatory going on in here, just for the record. However, with what we've all seen from you and your views on women, you could tell us that this has nothing to do with your views on women until you're blue in the face and we wouldn't believe you.

Fact of the matter is, is that you've been stereotyped as a woman-hater, what with the things you've said in regards to us, etc...so how can you expect people to say anything different in regards to what this thread is originally supposed to be about? I reiterate, this is the debate section, and a topic like that is surely going to set people off, especially women, regardless if it's supposed to be substantial to your beliefs or not. My apologies, I went off topic there, but I felt that needed to be said. Please continue with your discussion.