Explanation

[GuardianAngel]

[FONT=&quot]I'm sure you'll all know about the recent events, which have happened, the most recent of which would be the LSD incident last night. There's been a long chain of events, which have occurred, and most of you members have been caught in the middle. It's time for an explanation, no matter how bad it looks for some of us. I'll leave out intimate details, such as exact words, but believe me; I'll leave no topic out.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Well, it all started a few weeks ago, interestingly. Darkblade and Sephire were having a discussion, during which, Darkblade said something to Sephire. Sephire did not like this comment and had been talking to me about this for a while. She was considering leaving FFF because of it. Well, she spoke to Darkblade just the other night, requesting an account deletion. A heated discussion followed on MSN and I was also part of this. Some things were said that should never have been said in the first place. Anyway, to keep you updated, that's three people who are involved: Sephire, Darkblade and myself.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This discussion was inadvertently taken to the shoutbox, as I believe some members will recall. After such discussions, Sephire was banned and I was demoted. Thus begins chapter 2 of the story...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Without causing too much trouble, I'm going to say that there were a number of things that several other members of staff were not too happy about, concerning Darkblade and the events on MSN. Garnet and Lady Aerith continued to discuss more with Darkblade, consequently resulting in Sephire's ban being lifted and my privileges restored. This brings us up to around lunchtime, yesterday.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Tethar Atrum soon became involved, in the sense that he agreed with the four of us and disagreed with Darkblade. After everything that had happened, we all resented Darkblade for some reason or another. Jokingly, it was suggested that we get in contact with the members of LOCP, now named LSD, for help in ... getting back at Darkblade. We all agreed that we would contact the member still on our contact lists on MSN, Abel. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We had intended for the members of LOCP to return and cause more drama. As a way of getting back at Darkblade, we had intended to just turn a blind eye to the drama and allow it to carry on, for Darkblade to fix all on his own. Some of us spoke to Abel, upon which, he blocked several of us and refused to aid us in anyway. It looked as though things would just carry on as normal.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Later that night, Abel IMed Garnet. He said that they were now interested in helping. Garnet consulted me, the only online person, for this. We decided to forget about the idea, because we knew how dodgy LOCP had been. However, by this time, Abel had managed to get some details out of Garnet. Garnet had no idea what Abel had been capable of at this point as she was not a member at the time Abel was. He told us that he was going to hack into FFF and ... mess around with Darkblade's account, as he was "public enemy #2". This is when FFF turned into that pure white screen with a few subheadings. He told Garnet that he made a mistake, which he'd fix it. He suddenly goes offline on MSN, i.e., we were both blocked. Soon, FFF was host to their image, their trademark porn and a quote or two from Darkblade, which they never let down ...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Garnet, Lady Aerith and I tried all night to fix it. Eventually, we had to give in and talk to Darkblade. Garnet had to confess everything. Thus, both Tethar and I were demoted, as we were the ones who were most involved with Abel, as opposed to Lady Aerith.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Other than details, which have not been disclosed due to personal reasons, for all of us, that seems to be it. Since the other day, everything has led up to this. I'm sorry for what's happened on FFF, I truly am. I've been asked to pass on apologies from both Garnet and Lady Aerith and I'm sure Sephire and Tethar Atrum would like to apologise, if they knew what had happened last night.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Darkblade, Garnet, Lady Aerith, Sephire, Tethar Atrum and myself have all made huge mistakes the last few days. Darkblade shouldn't have done/said the things he did, the rest of us should never have involved Abel. We had no idea what he was capable of, we had only intended for a little drama to occur. We knew that LOCP was full of bad people and we brought it upon ourselves.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Once again, we are all truly sorry for what's happened. Most of you will probably resent us for a while and you have every right to. I just thought it was time everything was explained to you all. This mess was never supposed to happen...[/FONT]

Wow y'all are no better then kids.. I bet Darkblade was actin like a major butthead.. and Sepphire was prolly not 100% in the right either, but allowing someone into a site to hack one person account is like.. Taking a Temper Tatrum.. specially since you gave this "Abel" free access to the site, in allowing "them" to destory the site..

I personally wouldn't know what happen.. since i've joined the site maybe couple months ago.. so i'll end my responce here.

On a site note, i'm glad y'all got everything worked out in the end.. Just dont rush into makin someone's Online life harder, if it's gonna cost your site..

 

[Davey Gaga]

You know, you could have just NOT done it in the first place? What are you, five?

Everyone makes mistakes.

You knew exactly what LOCP are like.

Apparently not. None of us had any idea that they could hack or anything like that. We expected them just to turn up and cause a little drama. When Abel refused to do it, we all packed the idea in. Unfortunately, when Abel was IMing Garnet, she gave him the details, unknowing to what he could do.

What the fuck were you expecting from them? Truth? Honesty? You knew that would whatever THEY wanted, not what YOU wanted.

For about the 6th time now, it wasn't only me that was involved with this. I can't help but feel that if anyone else posted this, say Lady Aerith for sake of conversation, then you would all be blaming mostly her.

Any vidictiveness, insults and hatred you get from people out of this, you deserve.

As I've already acknowledged, I know.

"Admitting your wrongs" doesn't make you any less guilty in this,

Who said it would?

and trying to claim some sort of repentence and understanding for your actions is laughable.

Hence, I'm considering leaving.

That goes for Tethar too.

And Darkblade, and Garnet, and Lady Aerith, and Sephire and Judge Ghis.

Just out of curiosity, whose public enemy #1?

No idea, you'd have to ask Abel that one. Although, I'm assuming it's this person who 'betrayed' them all.

If someone is a vindictive cunt, they're going to do something whether your "guidelines" say so or not.

And here comes the insults...

 

[Misty]

You know, I just can't believe you would do that just get revenge. I'm really disappointed in the staff for doing this ... I really looked up to you. And to think what I saw when I tried getting on FFF yesterday morning. It was disgusting.

The staff never intended for it to go this far. They are sorry for their mistakes. If they didn't have feelings, they wouldn't have apologised like this. Riku would not have been brave enough to speak.

Maybe getting revenge this way wasn't such a good thing.

However, this is a wake up call to Darkblade. He needs to listen better to his people. Not treat them like he did.

Yes, me and Darkblade had problems in the past, and we pretty much hate each other still to this day. I , for reasons I don't have to bring up here. All I can say he hurt me, and yes I have bit back on MSN, but only because I have been hurt.

I still bear some fondness for this site, still hold hope, that all these issues from the past that keep coming up, will soon stop. That this site will continue without problem.

Do not put your blame on Riku completely. He was once a dedicated Global Moderator for this site, but things happened. Maybe people should have lived a little in our time when we had our problems, understood how angry we have been.

We all do things, that we regret. Riku I'm sure, is feeling enough regret. I'm sure he wanted to sort things out the other way. Sometimes we just act on impulse, we all do it.

Don't hate any of them either. I try not to hate those who offended me over the Internet. It does no good for you and other people.

Try and forgive and move on.

If a person repeats such actions in a malicious manner, then feel free to despise them, as they are probably not someone worth bothering with.

But that isn't Riku.

..

I am done now. Eh..may have sounded somewhat dramatic.

 

[der Astronom]

Well, I already explained that there were members from LOCP/LSD that could hack. Did you forget?

 

[Words of Ivory]

Well, I already explained that there were members from LOCP/LSD that could hack. Did you forget?

Says the woman who refuses to ban the owners of LOCP/LSD because they haven't publically caused any drama on the forums.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Thanks, Judge ^

Well, I already explained that there were members from LOCP/LSD that could hack. Did you forget?

I guess so. But then, if that's true, weren't we at risk anyway?

 

[der Astronom]

We were at risk. But we're always at risk. But you can make it worse by giving them away the password. If they were going to hack us without us giving them the password, they would already have done it.

Says the woman who refuses to ban the owners of LOCP/LSD because they haven't publically caused any drama on the forums.

Oh, that's what you meant. I thought you were talking about the shoutbox. Gee, make yourself more clear next time.

 

[Words of Ivory]

I guess so. But then, if that's true, weren't we at risk anyway?

They can't hack for shit. They wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing without the passwords and such that was given to them.

Oh, that's what you meant. I thought you were talking about the shoutbox. Gee, make yourself more clear next time.

Doesn't change the fact that you're letting one of the owners of LSD / LOCP freely post on this forum, when the only reason he is doing is to antagonise people and gloat in his own "victories".

 

[der Astronom]

If he had done what Abel had done, I would have banned him as well.

Apparently, they also like to lie about their victories, even though they technically didn't win.

 

[Sephire]

Well, it's time to post in this thread. I'll expand on Riku's post, although I'm sorry if I repeat what he has already said. I need to get everything out.

Darkblade and I were having some issues, and I'm not going to go into detail because they are between him and I. I did, ask for an account deletion, and it's safe to say that things got blown well out of proportion.

It resulted in a lot of insults being thrown back and fourth between Darkblade, Riku and myself. Darkblade then decided to bring the matter to FFF in the shoutbox. Those of you who were there at the time know what happened. I was then banned, so I hadno idea what happened between then and my unbanning.

I was however informed by Riku that Darkblade had said I didn't give a f*** about the members. That is untrue. I do. And I like this place a lot. However, he was having problems offline, that I was unaware of, and so I guess that is his reasoning. Although I'm not speaking for him. It's up to him if he posts here.

Yes, the other day, a lot of the staff was in a conversation. That is to say: Lady Aerith, Garnet, Tethar, Riku, Judge Ghis and myself. We did joke about allowing LSD [or whatever they call themselves] to come here and spam up the forums a bit.

No, I had no idea what they were capable of. And no, I wasn't here when they came before. I didn't know they would do what they did. I wasn't online yesterday, and thus I didn't see the events that occured [although I've been informed].

I am sorry, for everything that has happened. I except a lot of the blame and know that agreeing to allow LSD to come here, without even knowing who they were, was completely wrong.

I was furious with Darkblade, with bringing the situation here and the insults he had thrown around, and in some way, I wanted him to realize how much he had hurt the rest of the staff and I. I am not saying this justifies what I agreed to, nor am I saying that Darkblade deserved this. I am explaining why I made the choice that I did.

Once again I'm sorry, I didn't want things to get so twisted and I didn't want the members to become involved. I know I made a mistake, and I plan to learn from it.

 

[Dean Winchester]

The fact is that your problem was with Darkblade, not with the FFF comunity. The discussion was brought to the Shoutbox, it ended up bad, the members (including myself) were confused, we were worried. Then they came in, with help of course, they destroyed one week of Adamant's RPG Hard Work, members training, great part of the world map was shattered, and countless of posts were lost.

I am not judging anyone, I am not God, I am human, you were just blinded by rage. Regardless of the fact of what Darkblade did or did not say, the FFF comunity had nothing to do with that and therfore it was not responsible for what happened between Darkblade and the Staff. We didn't deserve to pay such a high price because of a personal problem.

I know that you are sorry, I know that you never knew what the LSD was capable of, but now is not the time to look on what was lost. If the LSD really wanted to hack us, they would have done that a long time ago.

Now is not the time to judge, it is the time to learn from the mistakes and forgive.

We must work hard, yes the Staff, the members, everyone must cooperate in order to avoid another incident like this one from ever happening again.

I would really like to see Riku post again as much as he did before the incident, speacially at the KH section (he is like a Human KH Library), because I know that non of you really meant to harm the comunity, you just wanted to teach Darkblade a lesson. What was done it's done, and we can't do anything to change that.


I don't mean to be rude, and if my post ends as an insult to anyone, warn me and I will delete it.

 

[planzer]

The fact is that your problem was with Darkblade, not with the FFF comunity. The discussion was brought to the Shoutbox, it ended up bad, the members (including myself) were confused, we were worried. Then they came in, with help of course, they destroyed one week of Adamant's RPG Hard Work, members training, great part of the world map was shattered, and countless of posts were lost.

I am not judging anyone, I am not God, I am human, you were just blinded by rage. Regardless of the fact of what Darkblade did or did not say, the FFF comunity had nothing to do with that and therfore it was not responsible for what happened between Darkblade and the Staff. We didn't deserve to pay such a high price because of a personal problem.

I know that you are sorry, I know that you never knew what the LSD was capable of, but now is not the time to look on what was lost. If the LSD really wanted to hack us, they would have done that a long time ago.

Now is not the time to judge, it is the time to learn from the mistakes and forgive.

We must work hard, yes the Staff, the members, everyone must cooperate in order to avoid another incident like this one from ever happening again.

I would really like to see Riku post again as much as he did before the incident, speacially at the KH section (he is like a Human KH Library), because I know that non of you really meant to harm the comunity, you just wanted to teach Darkblade a lesson. What was done it's done, and we can't do anything to change that.


I don't mean to be rude, and if my post ends as an insult to anyone, warn me and I will delete it.

It shouldnt offened anyone STL because your speaking the truth.

 

[Sephire]

But I didn't decide to bring it to the shoutbox Squall True Lionheart. I wanted it kept off the shoutbox because I didn't want to involve the members in the matter. However, I was opposed, and thus the whole thing has escelated.

 

[Shion]

I'm only going to comment on this topic once and its just how I feel and my opinion.

What happened and what ya'll did was very imature. Come on now. I know ya'll can act your ages. Just cause so and so did this or made him/her mad doesn't mean ya'll have to do the childish thing and get revenge. No one needed to keep puting fuel on the fire. Just be the better person and let it go. Thats all ya'll needed to do before all this happened. You may flame me and what not but it won't bother me.

 

[Dean Winchester]

But I didn't decide to bring it to the shoutbox Squall True Lionheart. I wanted it kept off the shoutbox because I didn't want to involve the members in the matter. However, I was opposed, and thus the whole thing has escelated.

There is no excuse, if the problem was brought to the ShoutBox your responsability as staff (well ex-staff on that moment) was to stop the fighting and take the problem to MSN. The staff's responsability is too stop the drama, not to create it. I know that Darkblade talked about the problem in the Shout Box, he was angry, he felt somehow betrayed, after all, he trusted you all. I know he said things that he wasn't supposed to say, but that was not an excuse to redirect that anger, that revenge, towards the FFF comunity. We know that you never meant to harm the FFF, but you did and it hurts.

Come on how is it that, a long time friendship, was shattered just because of this problem?

The fact is, that the FFF didn't deserved this. Who would agree to get the help from the LSD in order to spam? Far worse; How could part of the staff agree on allowing someone to spam a forum that you were supposed to protect?


For the love of God! We trusted you! The RPG Team trusted their hard work to you! If you had something against Darkblade then, why you didn't solved your problem with him? Come on, some of us feel betrayed for what has been done.

But now is not the time to create more drama, what was done is done! So is someone part of the Staff would gladly close this thread in order to prevent more drama I would gladly apreciate it.


I don't mean to offend anyone, after all, I am just repeating what others have told me.

 

[Koloth]

But I didn't decide to bring it to the shoutbox Squall True Lionheart. I wanted it kept off the shoutbox because I didn't want to involve the members in the matter. However, I was opposed, and thus the whole thing has escelated.

It is one thing to bring personal problems to the sb and another to allow hackers access to the FTP of the site and totally delete the files. I think this whole issue is a disgrace and all that have been involved to at least be banned temporarly. Even if they maybe admins.

I am sorry to be such a hardass about this. But the members have suffered from this. No matter who the person is, you should not be giving them vital info to a site.

 

[Dean Winchester]

No matter who the person is, you should not be giving them vital info to a site.

Exactly. That's why I say that problems that start on MSN should end on MSN.

 

[Davey Gaga]

There is no excuse, if the problem was brought to the ShoutBox your responsability as staff (well ex-staff on that moment) was to stop the fighting and take the problem to MSN. The staff's responsability is too stop the drama, not to create it. I know that Darkblade talked about the problem in the Shout Box, he was angry, he felt somehow betrayed, after all, he trusted you all. I know he said things that he wasn't supposed to say, but that was not an excuse to redirect that anger, that revenge, towards the FFF comunity. We know that you never meant to harm the FFF, but you did and it hurts.

It was very difficult to calm anything down when the head administrator was the one bringing it to FFF, on multiple occassions.

Come on how is it that, a long time friendship, was shattered just because of this problem?

No one will divulge that here, because it would cause that very drama which you hate.

The fact is, that the FFF didn't deserved this. Who would agree to get the help from the LSD in order to spam? Far worse; How could part of the staff agree on allowing someone to spam a forum that you were supposed to protect?

People who wanted to get back at Darkblade for causing much problems.

For the love of God! We trusted you! The RPG Team trusted their hard work to you! If you had something against Darkblade then, why you didn't solved your problem with him? Come on, some of us feel betrayed for what has been done.

^ Says he who wants it all to be over.

]quote]But now is not the time to create more drama, what was done is done! So is someone part of the Staff would gladly close this thread in order to prevent more drama I would gladly apreciate it.[/quote]
As far as I can see, it's not anywhere here. As a former Mod, I can safely say that There's resent, hate and maliciousness, but no drama.

 

[der Astronom]

Alright, I'll make a final comment before closing this.

Yes, we all know those involved with this incident (read, none of the members here, nor the RPG staff) are to blame, for having that argument, allowing things to get out of hand in the Shoutbox, and for giving away the password. I'm not going to list names because you all know who you are. It does not need to be said, nor do I have to tell anyone who did what--what can you do about it? Since what has been done is done and no amount of complaining or crying can change this situation. We can only look towards the future and begin to fix this problem--or prevent it from happening in the future.

Let it be a lesson to those involved not to let personal affairs get in the way of running FFF because you all know you were a part of it. Remember the consequences of your actions.

But I would like to once again thank especially those who came out and apologized for what they have done. It's more than what anyone else could have done in this situation.