Could 9/11 have been an inside job?

Guys...we should really listen to Link and his poorly sound edited, and all around shabby, 7 minute video. I mean, he said it himself, anyone intelligent can see that this was a set up. Sure, there are hundreds of ivy league educated political journalists out there who wouldn't even consider this an option, but Link's got a point here. Fuck those guys, they're dinos. I mean, he's completed a few courses at community college! He's not getting fooled like the rest of us! He knows all of America's inner workings!

His knowledge of politics is impressive as well. He didn't believe I, an avid Democrat who actively campaigns for both local and national candidates I support, knew about politics, you know, being 2 years younger than him and only reading up on the next presidential race on the daily basis, so he gave me a really difficult quiz on the leading candidates from each party and the identity of Paul Wolfowitz! Who knows that stuff other than the politically suave? Oh, anyone who's read or seen the fucking front page of a newspaper over the past 3 months!

But Link doesn't read newspapers, he gets all of his news from the internet. Because no one, especially not the government, can control media on the internet with things like 'fact checking' and 'authentic sources.' Fuck you credibility! This guy narrating over this 7 minute clip about shit he clearly knows nothing about puts you to shame!

Don't you think that if Al Qaeda wasn't involved, they wouldn't have released videos talking about how they did it? Or at least had a video leaked sometime over the past 6 years saying how they DIDN'T do it?

Do I think we used this attack as a stepping stone to invade a completely unrelated country for unethical reasons? Yes. Do I think we would be in the same situation if Jeb wasn't a piece of shit? Hopefully not. Do I think we orchestrated such an attack on our own soil? Absolutely not. Even Michael Moore wouldn't both with such a point.

LOL, Well Wullfe, I'm not gonna read all that Right-Wing redrick you've decided to write, as it is a waste of my time. You have no intellect and I'll end this by calling you a DINO.
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Please keep avoiding perfectly good points against your mindless backing of a 7 minute clip by misspelling words like rhetoric, then challenging someones intellect. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

And respect his love for film, TLW...he's seen a bunch of the movies on IMDB top 250, and he likes them. ALOT! :rolleyes:


Cliffnotes, since I assume anything longer than a paragraph is too much to take in at once:

Your reasoning is fucking retarded, as are you. The fact that you're 21 and act in any way similar to the way you post is an embarrassing testament to the same Americans that you claim you're more intelligent than.


You're a fag.
I don´t think the U.S government would promote having 20.000 people killed during the World Trade Center atack just so they could go and invade Iraq...
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Your speaking privileges are revoked.
 
Link21 said:
This is a seven minute long video, explaining that it was NOT a commercial airliner plane that had hit the World Trade Center, but a JSTARS-EC10 Millitary airliner. Surprisingly enough, the EC-10 shoots off a missle right before it hits the WTC, as you can clearly see in the video.

It is argued that the explosion you see right before the plane hits, is actually the ferring for the landing gear making contact, but as you notice in the video, the explosion takes place before the plane makes contact with the tower(notice the shadow of the plane). And, this explosion takes place further to the right of the aircraft, clearly proving that these are two sepperate events.

Here is the Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVzbQMT7PVE

Discuss.
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Why not
same as Pearl harbor
Hit yourself and gain more in return.
Why thousands of Jews who worked in those towers were abcent at the time ?
And all together ?
Just this one is enough to show its an inside job

+ Why Bush did not re-act when he heard that in the school ?
+ Why no USAF fighter were there to protect the area even after 20 minutes after the first strike ? as we all know USAF are the bests
+ Why towers ruined from down ? not from the part the Planets hit it ?
 
Erm Shahab, I'll think you will find that the RAF are the best.

It was a complete shambles, but no conspiracy, if it was an inside job then why have Bush flying around the country looking like a complete wank of a leader?

Answer? No conspiracy, he IS a complete wank of a leader. If it was an inside job then he would have been better prepared. Watch Michael Moors film guys.
 
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I have seen the movie... and what you will notice is INSIDE JOB

also ,,,, the empire state got hit years ago by a bomber planet with much more petrol in it and it just burned ... nothing ruined in that hit.

And what you see in twins ?
Before the hit, there is an explotion on the building , where the planet is going to be hitten.
And a planet with such a low petrol ruins whole the building....
Firemen said that they smelt explosives in the basements...
Professionals said that its impossible that such a building with a modern artichecture ruins with such a hit.
ETC...
Why after the highjack, no fighter flied to support them ?



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Well Fields said it best.... But Just look at the facts.. It takes about 20 seconds to launch a fighter plane off a carrier. Of which there where many station in New York and down in Newpot News at the time of 9/11. None where launched. That and the time in-between each plane hit, the government just sat back and watched. I firmly believe it was in fact an inside job.

Sad but True
 
Sever Off said:
Well Fields said it best.... But Just look at the facts.. It takes about 20 seconds to launch a fighter plane off a carrier. Of which there where many station in New York and down in Newpot News at the time of 9/11. None where launched. That and the time in-between each plane hit, the government just sat back and watched. I firmly believe it was in fact an inside job.

Sad but True
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before the 2nd plane hit they thought it was a terrible accident and weren't expecting another plane to hit, thus no military jets were launched to try and "protect it". To whoever said it, that thing about bush not doing anything at the school at the time was probaly cos he didnt have a fucking clue what to say and that thing about the jews was just plane racist (pretty good pun there ;)). Why would and "inside job" attack their own bloody buildings at the pentagon on top of the twin towers?

This conspiracy is disgraceful to the memory of everybody who died in the events. Link21 mate you're obviously a dumbarse for believing tripe on the internet more than stuff on the news.

i suggest you look at this hilairious webpage http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

(unfortunatley its not republican tripe)
 
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I've merged the two threads.

Anyway, there's so many conspiracies about the whole thing, I really don't care anymore. =/ I guess in time we'll know what eventually happened...but for now, I don't want to make pointless accusations.
 
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giga flare means too mThanks a lot, I received the new post alarm in my control panel.
Well, One thread is better than several thread about same topic.

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Well, as I told before , it totally looks like a pre-planed operation.
In some other movies, shows that before that the planes hit the towers,like 10 feet, there are explotions from inside of the towers to outside.
This means that explotions were from inside, not caused by aero planes.
If it was for the hit, then Imperial state should not be in its place for the bomber hit.
Also, such an operation could not be done without internal aids.
 
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Honestly, no. Just no. It wasn't an inside job. The United States government is highly powerful, and if it were an inside job, they wouldn't make mistakes that could potentially blow the operation. And does anyone realize how difficult it would be to keep hush-hush about such a massive operation?

I'm not sure if anyone already posted this link, but http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons is a very good (and hilarious) debunking of that entire theory.
 
Could 9/11 have been an inside job, you ask? Sure. It could have been, but I sincerely doubt it. While the "proof" presented in Loose Change is disturbing, it could easily be distorted--or more likely--completely false.

As I'm sure many have said, what are the chances that some college kid hacked files containing that sort of information? Is the United States government really THAT careless with information that if true could mean total chaos? Doubtful...
 
Also! Just out of curiosity, what could be gained by the United States government, politically, from attacking their own civilians? Because they were dying to invade Iraq? I think that is highly doubtful. Invading Iraq actually had nothing to do with 9/11. Al Qaeda had NOTHING to do with Saddam's Ba'athist regime in Iraq, and Saddam and the entire country of Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. So, why would the United States government need to orchestrate such an amazingly elaborate operation that would kill over 3,000 US civilians? And please, don't say oil. The largest oil holder in the middle east is Saudi Arabia, and the United States is allies with them.
 
Erythritol said:
Honestly, no. Just no. It wasn't an inside job. The United States government is highly powerful, and if it were an inside job, they wouldn't make mistakes that could potentially blow the operation. And does anyone realize how difficult it would be to keep hush-hush about such a massive operation?

I'm not sure if anyone already posted this link, but http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons is a very good (and hilarious) debunking of that entire theory.
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Well, so what do you say about this
The first plan changed its path toward the twins for about 20 minutes, but no one bothered to escort it with fighters, and its what even weak countries do when a plan starts to be offpath even for a minute.

After the first hit, there was 20 minutes until the second hit, but its amazing that A VERY POWERFUL COUNTRY did not send even a F16 to protect the area.

Is USA weak or its powerful ?
The answer is that its powerful, but why it did not send evena fighter to secure skies after the first hit and even the second hit !!! It would take just 4 minutes to do it.

And let me answer your question about a perfect operation.
The buildings was not small makets. It was tons of ciment and steals and for ruining such a building there is more than one and even several planes to ruin it.
Its physics, when you hit top of a building like that , it will ruin just a few floors of it, you need to hit its base to make it all ruin. and you can see thgose explotions in the links I put there which are like 4-20 floors down than the falling section.
Also in some of the movies, before that the plane hit the buildings, like half a second, an explotion starts from inside of the buildings to the outside of it.
Also a question... " Where were those all judes who worked in those buildings, at the day of crash ? Is that normal that all of the Judes, were absent at the moment ? they were over 1000, not one or two "

I have to say, for such a big job, they did great.


Also! Just out of curiosity, what could be gained by the United States government
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well , lets see what it will gain.
It attacked Afghanistan first and based their forces there.
Then attacked Iraq for imaginary massive killer weapons.

What will they gain ?

- In Iraq, the oil they are ROBBING is givving them several times more than what the twins would give them.
- It has sorrounded IRAN which can be a big treat for USA and ISRAEL ( remember the absent Judes ) and can watch over it. also are closer to Russia and can watch over its activities.

Its strategy. I suggest you to watch some of movies that Americans made ( not even the ones others made ) like Fahrenheit 11/9 by Michael Moor
Good luck
 
I've heard many theories which have made me a bit confused. I really dont know what to believe in now.
 
Shahab said:
Well, so what do you say about this
The first plan changed its path toward the twins for about 20 minutes, but no one bothered to escort it with fighters, and its what even weak countries do when a plan starts to be offpath even for a minute.

After the first hit, there was 20 minutes until the second hit, but its amazing that A VERY POWERFUL COUNTRY did not send even a F16 to protect the area.

Is USA weak or its powerful ?
The answer is that its powerful, but why it did not send evena fighter to secure skies after the first hit and even the second hit !!! It would take just 4 minutes to do it.

And let me answer your question about a perfect operation.
The buildings was not small makets. It was tons of ciment and steals and for ruining such a building there is more than one and even several planes to ruin it.
Its physics, when you hit top of a building like that , it will ruin just a few floors of it, you need to hit its base to make it all ruin. and you can see thgose explotions in the links I put there which are like 4-20 floors down than the falling section.
Also in some of the movies, before that the plane hit the buildings, like half a second, an explotion starts from inside of the buildings to the outside of it.
Also a question... " Where were those all judes who worked in those buildings, at the day of crash ? Is that normal that all of the Judes, were absent at the moment ? they were over 1000, not one or two "

I have to say, for such a big job, they did great.



well , lets see what it will gain.
It attacked Afghanistan first and based their forces there.
Then attacked Iraq for imaginary massive killer weapons.

What will they gain ?

- In Iraq, the oil they are ROBBING is givving them several times more than what the twins would give them.
- It has sorrounded IRAN which can be a big treat for USA and ISRAEL ( remember the absent Judes ) and can watch over it. also are closer to Russia and can watch over its activities.

Its strategy. I suggest you to watch some of movies that Americans made ( not even the ones others made ) like Fahrenheit 11/9 by Michael Moor
Good luck
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When it comes to 9/11 I am of the opinion that it was handled extremely poorly, but it was not an inside job. Let's break this down. The planes suddenly changed course. This is true. And it was noticed. But there was a severe and crippling lack of communication between FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command). Fighter jets WERE actually sent out, but there was so much confusion that the commands they were given were very unclear. After flight 11 crashed into one of the towers, there was conflicting information being passed between the two agencies. Many reports stated that the flight was still in the air (which is obviously wasn't).

You claim it would take 4 minutes to send out a jet. Now I know that everyone likes to think that real life is just like the movies. A command is given to send out fighter jets, and those fighter jets immediately take off and shoot down the threat! No. This is NOT how it works. Like I said, by the time government agencies realized what was happening, it was either too late to do anything, or there was such miscommunication and lack of information sharing between agencies that it was completely unclear where the jets should have been sent. It is true that America is very "powerful," but there is much more at work than that. Our government can be crippled by red-tape and bureaucracy. With conflicting information, lack of information sharing between agencies, and panic over what is actually happening....you may have great jets to send, but you don't know where to send them or what orders to give them. On 9/11, we were a very vunerable country with wide gaps in our defense system. This was very evident by the way the entire situation was handled.

Now....for the Twin Towers. I'm not sure if you're familiar with just how big a 747 airplane is....but it's fucking huge. And it has a LOT of gasoline in it. The Twin Towers were not designed to withstand such a traumatic impact. You wanna talk about physics? Think about the momentum of the plane and velocity with which it hit the Twin Towers. To use a blunt analogy, it's like someone running at you and punching you in the face. Yeah, you'll have a bloody nose, but you're also going to fall over because of the velocity and momentum with which the person hit you. It would have been more of a shock if the buildings HADN'T collapsed.

As for the Jews being absent thing...that's kind of...well, ridiculous. It's a completely unfounded claim. Oh, and I'm from New York and know of Jews who died in the towers. So there goes that theory.

As for what America could gain.....Iraq doesn't have incredible amounts of oil. In fact, CANADA (that's right, our friendly northern neighbor!) has just as much if not more oil than Iraq! And let's be honest, we didn't need 9/11 to happen for an excuse to invade Iraq. Saddam Hussein was committing genocide. Was the oil an added incentive to become involved? Most definitely. Did we need 9/11 as an excuse? No. Not to mention, there were always allegations of "weapons of mass destruction" loooong before 9/11. If the United States government had really been that eager to invade Iraq, they simply could have claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The public would have believed it. There is no need for 9/11.

Sadly, we did end up using 9/11 as an excuse, either because George Bush has absolutely no concept of politics in the Middle East or because he just enjoys blatantly lying to the American public. However, before 9/11, the Middle East was not a priority or something that people really thought about very much. The idea that the American government RANDOMLY decided to attack its own citizens because they kind of wanted better control of the oil fields in Iraq, oh and maybe wanted to establish a military base or two because Iran was being annoying....um...yeah, that doesn't sound too logical.

And Iran? What the hell do we need Iran for? Because President Ahmadinejad likes to make stupid statements? Riiiiight. Even the Ayatollah doesn't like him. Iran doesn't have the capabilities to build up nuclear weapons. Quite frankly, I'm much more worried about North Korea than Iran.

As for telling me to watch movies like the crap Michael Moore puts out....no thanks. I'm a government and international affairs major, and I have a pretty good grasp of what is going on politically.. Michael Moore likes to a) twist facts and b) make things up. You can play with statistics and present them in whatever way suits you, even though its completely misleading. Michael Moore knows this. In my opinion, he's a fat loudmouth who loves attention.
 
It really makes no difference to me. Everyone keeps focusing on this... does it matter? No, the damage is done, innocent people died, and yet somehow everyone focuses on the other thing? Tell me this can any of us prove what really happened? No, all we can do here is speculate, and discuss a pointless matter, and I don't care what Michael Moore says, that's his opinion, if you keep searching for something that's not there you'll seeing it either way. Plus he just brings disorder and discomfort, stresses even more the families of the victims. The person you love being killed by your country? I know I wouldn't like to think of that. So, let's say a silent prayer for these people and let it be, just stop it.
 
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Erythritol said:
The planes suddenly changed course. This is true. And it was noticed. But there was a severe and crippling lack of communication between FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command). Fighter jets WERE actually sent out, but there was so much confusion that the commands they were given were very unclear. After flight 11 crashed into one of the towers, there was conflicting information being passed between the two agencies. Many reports stated that the flight was still in the air (which is obviously wasn't).
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Is this believable ?
lets see.
In same time ... LACK OF COMUNICANTION - ALL FIGHTERS SENT OUT SOMEWHERE ( anywhere except there ) - All Jewds who worked in twins sent out somewhere ( most of them said that they were sick or were on vacation )- regarding to USA and its power in comunication messages were unclear, radars mistook

All just in same time ?
I say phish no, When I gather these all together will tell me NO, for sure it was an inside job

Juneau said:
It really makes no difference to me. Everyone keeps focusing on this... does it matter? No, the damage is done, innocent people died, and yet somehow everyone focuses on the other thing? Tell me this can any of us prove what really happened? No, all we can do here is speculate, and discuss a pointless matter, and I don't care what Michael Moore says, that's his opinion, if you keep searching for something that's not there you'll seeing it either way. Plus he just brings disorder and discomfort, stresses even more the families of the victims. The person you love being killed by your country? I know I wouldn't like to think of that. So, let's say a silent prayer for these people and let it be, just stop it.
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Many dears died and its so sad. but if it was an inside job, then many more innocent people in Afghanistan died again, so as Iraq.
The excuse of attacking to Iraq was that Saddam can be a treat for all the world, ANTI-TERRORISM and these kinda staffs which all came out after september eleven.
Do if someone get murdered, the murder should be free ? should be relax all because the murderer is murdered ?!
as long as I know, the only government who used nuke weapons in a war was USA and hit japan in nakasai and Hiroshima, and caused millions people. now whats terror? were not they innocent people?
it happened after pearl harbor event, which is still doubtfull that if it was an inside job or not. and it may happen in future too.
They said it was a BIN's job, but who trained Bin was US, government.
watch Moor's movies and just see the DOCUMENTS he shows there.
even if you think its a disorder, watch the facts there. eleborations and evidences he will show you, then if you want still try no believe its disorder.



You don't know, not because you don't know. You don't know, because you don't want to know
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:huh:..............aha...:P
 
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