So, do any of you find that Stealing or "DL'ing" music for free is right? Do you find it wrong? What are your views on this? Explain here.
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Yes, I find it wrong but you really think I care? No, sorry but I don't want to run out and pay 15 for a CD, while the artist is already making millions by touring. Well, some people still by CDs and pay for songs. I don't feel bad when I'm downloading music. Also I'm not paying 30 bucks for an imported CD.
Downloading music isn't always bad. Some international bands do want their music to be downloaded for free, because then people from other parts of the world will recongize them and their popularity spreads. Dir en grey for example, they're from Japan. Americans downloaded their music, and now they toured/touring American and they sold out shows.
Downloading music isn't always bad. Some international bands do want their music to be downloaded for free, because then people from other parts of the world will recongize them and their popularity spreads. Dir en grey for example, they're from Japan. Americans downloaded their music, and now they toured/touring American and they sold out shows.
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I do it for my own personal benefit (downloading songs and burning them onto a CD), but I think it goes too far when people burn downloaded music and then sell it for profit. That's the only problem I see with it.
There's an organisation called eff that had a good idea about file sharing. Isp's make a package which charges you $5 extra a month and that money goes to the artists.
Advertise it as free unlimited music downloads and everybody would be happy.
It would still be illegal to burn it to a cd and sell it though
Advertise it as free unlimited music downloads and everybody would be happy.
It would still be illegal to burn it to a cd and sell it though
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It is wrong, do I download? No. Do others download for me? Yes.
Its a vicious circle as the price of CDs and DVDs are raised because of illgeal downloads. People downlad the music and films as they cant afford them cause of the prices. You cant really win lol.
Its a vicious circle as the price of CDs and DVDs are raised because of illgeal downloads. People downlad the music and films as they cant afford them cause of the prices. You cant really win lol.
I do it too, and don't feel bad about it. It's not entirely because of the price of CDs, they're about £10 roughly which isn't too much. It's just a lot more convenient to download music. I don't have to leave the house and I can get loads of music pretty fast.
It can be wrong, but most of the time it's pretty damn good. I shall explain now.
Say you've heard about a band, or their single on the radio. Well, you dont wanna go out and pay $15 for a CD when you've heard none or one songs by the artists (as we all know, most bands out there put most their effort into the single). It's much better to download a CD and determine whether it's worth the money or not.
Now here's where the buying comes in: if you like the band and if they are in some way original and bring something new or creative to the industry and if you can tell they pour themselves into the music, i say buy the album even if you do download it. They deserve the money. However, even if they sound nice, but they're simply a copycat band in it for the money and fangirls, dont buy.
Now for an example: look at the Japanese band Dir en grey. Three years ago they had a very small fanbase in America and Europe. Thanks to "illegal downloads", their global fanbase has grown tremendously. In '06 they performed at the Rock AM Ring in Germany, did a small showcase tour in America, only hitting three cities (all three shows were sold out) then they toured on the Family Values Tour. So far this year they've done a full-blown North American continent tour, Despair in the Womb, which sold out at almost every single venue (i traveled 6 hours to their Atlanta show, there were kids there from as far away as North Carolina). Now they're on tour with the Deftones, and later they'll be doing a small eastern Europe tour.
So...my point is that so-called illegal downloads can really help out bands. Yes, i found out about Dir en grey through the internet. Yes, i downloaded every album of theirs. But as soon as they released their album Withering to Death in America, i ran out and bought it even though i'd already downloaded it. At the Despair in the Womb concert i bought their album Vulgar (which isnt sold in the US) and pre-ordered their upcoming (now released) album Marrow of a Bone. If you're a real fan of a band, chances are you'll want to support them.
Say you've heard about a band, or their single on the radio. Well, you dont wanna go out and pay $15 for a CD when you've heard none or one songs by the artists (as we all know, most bands out there put most their effort into the single). It's much better to download a CD and determine whether it's worth the money or not.
Now here's where the buying comes in: if you like the band and if they are in some way original and bring something new or creative to the industry and if you can tell they pour themselves into the music, i say buy the album even if you do download it. They deserve the money. However, even if they sound nice, but they're simply a copycat band in it for the money and fangirls, dont buy.
Now for an example: look at the Japanese band Dir en grey. Three years ago they had a very small fanbase in America and Europe. Thanks to "illegal downloads", their global fanbase has grown tremendously. In '06 they performed at the Rock AM Ring in Germany, did a small showcase tour in America, only hitting three cities (all three shows were sold out) then they toured on the Family Values Tour. So far this year they've done a full-blown North American continent tour, Despair in the Womb, which sold out at almost every single venue (i traveled 6 hours to their Atlanta show, there were kids there from as far away as North Carolina). Now they're on tour with the Deftones, and later they'll be doing a small eastern Europe tour.
So...my point is that so-called illegal downloads can really help out bands. Yes, i found out about Dir en grey through the internet. Yes, i downloaded every album of theirs. But as soon as they released their album Withering to Death in America, i ran out and bought it even though i'd already downloaded it. At the Despair in the Womb concert i bought their album Vulgar (which isnt sold in the US) and pre-ordered their upcoming (now released) album Marrow of a Bone. If you're a real fan of a band, chances are you'll want to support them.
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Eidolon
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Yeah I download music if the cd is more than £10. If not, I usually order off Amazon or something. Over £10 is simply too much for me.
I've decided to blame the person who uploads it, rather than the one who downloads it.
I've decided to blame the person who uploads it, rather than the one who downloads it.
Actually, when you buy the album the money goes towards greedy record label companies. Not much of it goes towards the band it's self. Most of the money the band makes is holding concerts.
Very true. And i remember last year Weird Al was talking about how these new digital downloads like iTunes are actually ripping artists off even more. A guy asked Al a question his website about it, like which Al got more money from, a CD or digital download, this was his answer:
"I am extremely grateful for your support, no matter which format you choose to legally obtain my music in, so you should do whatever makes the most sense for you personally. But since you ASKED... I actually do get significantly more money from CD sales, as opposed to downloads. This is the one thing about my renegotiated record contract that never made much sense to me. It costs the label NOTHING for somebody to download an album (no manufacturing costs, shipping, or really any overhead of any kind) and yet the artist (me) winds up making less from it. Go figure."
That's pretty messed up if you ask me.
Werid Al even made a song called "Dont Download This Song" and I find it hilarious that everyone I know downloaded it!
He actually made it downloadable from his myspace xD
Nope. This lists all the songs ever done by Al: http://weirdal.com/catalog.htm
This lists alot of songs mistakenly labeled as his: http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/notbyal.html
And to bring this back on topic, i think if you can afford it, you should buy CDs. But if you're like me and you have to budget, then it's wise to download most everything and only buy CDs of groups you really like who deserve the money. Any real fan of a band would probably feel guilty if all they did was download, but you still have to be sensible.
It was either Enter Napster or Internet Sandman.
I can't remember.
I can't remember.
Well he did neither of those. Just listen to Al's songs, generally you can just tell by the voice what songs are his and what arent.
Of course I think it's illegal but as long as it doesn't involve making money off of it. I mean, I only ever DL'd once, and that was only for me, burned it onto a rewriteable, and stuck in my album. But if it was for someone else's benefit and they paid me for it, that would be truly illegal.
Ya know for a long while it WAS legal to dl, and even give to your friends, so long as you didnt make money off it.
Then "musicians" got all bitchy about it. Yeah, some musicians, they care more about the money than the music. I think David Draiman (of Disturbed) said it best:
Draiman told the San Francisco Chronicle, "This is not rocket science - instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they're trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectively use the Internet." Draiman asserts that the actions taken by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) are protecting corporate profits, not artists: "For the artists, my ass...I didn't ask them to protect me, and I don't want their protection."
Then "musicians" got all bitchy about it. Yeah, some musicians, they care more about the money than the music. I think David Draiman (of Disturbed) said it best:
Draiman told the San Francisco Chronicle, "This is not rocket science - instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they're trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectively use the Internet." Draiman asserts that the actions taken by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) are protecting corporate profits, not artists: "For the artists, my ass...I didn't ask them to protect me, and I don't want their protection."
howlingape
Chocobo Breeder
its perfectly legal to download in canada, god bless the land of teh eskimos
Im doing the same thing.
Im NOT taking profit for it. im just saving money so I dont have to buy them..