Confusion about Zanarkand (SPOILERS)

[rodchester9]

There seems to be quite a lot of confusion on the topic of Zanarkand and Dream Zanarkand and its whereabouts.

I don't know if people agree with this or not but I would just like to put out there what I believe to be true and to compile other peoples thoughts and beliefs on the matter.

Anyway, What we know is that about a thousand years ago a war was waged between the two most powerful cities in Spira, Bevelle and Zanarkand. Zanarkand fought the war relying on the power of summoners rather than utilizing its machina. However, Bevelle did the exact opposite and wound up creating machina which people feared possessed the power to destroy the entire world. Because of this, Zanarkand's demise was eminent, thus a summoner from Zanarkand named Yu Yevon, took the remaining population of Zanarkand (minus his daughter Yunalesca and her husband) and transformed them into fayth in order to summon an exact replica of the city and send it out to sea far away from the Spiran mainland. In addition to creating this "Dream Zanarkand" Yu Yevon also created the magic armour known as "Sin".

This is where the confusion comes into play.

Some people believe that while creating Dream Zanarkand, Yu Yevon created Sin to encase it and travel along.

The problem I have with this is that Yu Yevons direct orders to this magic armour entity was to protect Dream Zanarkand, to make sure it was never discovered, and to destroy any city that grew too large or relied too heavily on machina. Thus meaning that it MUST be in an undisclosed area in Spira otherwise these commands would serve no purpose.

Anyway, lets see what people think on this matter, there is technically no "right" answer since square holds the key in some filing cabinet, but lets see what we can come up with.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Isnt it Said that Yunalesca sacrified Herself and Zaon to create Sin? Which means Yu yevon was allready around before that. Possibly living a Spectral exisitence inside the Aeons of the Summoners of Zanarkand.

BEcause. yes. Summoners inhabited Zanarkand before It was destroyed. Meaning the Aeons might have been fragments of Yu yevon. and when yunalesca dies and the Fayth are Created they channel yu yevons power in order to control and create Aeons?

Also. To create dream zanarkand. The people of zanarkand became fayth. and pooled their memories together to create DZ(dream zanarkand) As i said before. Yunalesca/Zaon sacrificed themselves to create Sin in an attempt to stop bevelle.

If what I said about Yu yevon living a spectral exsistence as the creator of Aeons. Then We can assume with the Failure of Zanarkand and its people. the memories and power s of Aeons overloaded yu yevons Mind and senses. Causing it to go "insane" and force the endless cycle of destruction. If Yu yevon didnt exisit. The second pilgrimage would have Killed off sin.

 

[Zeith]

I don't think there's any confusion really;everything's either spelled out plain as day,hidden a little deeper in the game,or easy to determine with a little logic.It's just the stuff that isn't obvious that runs the risk of befuddling people.I can easily understand thinking that DZ is INSIDE Sin,for instance;but your explanation shows why it isn't(I would add that the areas that look like Zanarkand in Sin are just projections of Jecht's mind).

And I think you're overthinking things,Connor.I don't remember anyone saying Yunalesca and Zaon sacrificed themselves to create Sin(remember,they were the first to KILL Sin),and you have to consider Occam's Razor;all things being equal,the simplest theory that still explains all the indisputable evidence is probably the right one.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

I don't think there's any confusion really;everything's either spelled out plain as day,hidden a little deeper in the game,or easy to determine with a little logic

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Well...Not everything is explained. Ao there are many things left up to debate. Of course we may think somethings right by our logic. but others logic may be diffrent. opening up possibilities.

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it's just the stuff that isn't obvious that runs the risk of befuddling people

Yeah. and thats what we debate about. Kinda the whole reason of this thread.

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can easily understand thinking that DZ is INSIDE Sin,for instance;but your explanation shows why it isn't(I would add that the areas that look like Zanarkand in Sin are just projections of Jecht's mind).

Umm...where Did Me or rodchester say that? but I dont think DX is inside Sin. since the Fayth created DZ. And Fayth are Kinda the underlings of Yu yevon. so It woould be esay tot hink of DZ living a Spectral exsistence. and Yu yevon being able to transport Sin to DZ.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Hmmm........

Zanarkand was a city that existed in Spira 1000 years prior to the events off FFX.

There was growing tension between Bevelle and Zanarkand, I believe because Bevelle feared Zanarkands summoners and Bevelle used there war machines to fight ? any way there was a massive war.

This war went on for an un disclosed count of years.

Fearing the defeat the Leaders of Zanarkand came to a decision.

They would use the skill of there greatest Summoner, Yu Yevon, to Summon a Dream.

That Dream would be Dream Zanarkand.

To do this the populace had to sacrifice them selves as a multitude of Fayth to perform the summoning. This sacrifice took place on Mt. Gagazette and required most of the Survivors to draw from a large enough pool of memories.

So with the Fayth Dreaming and set to have there momeries of Zanarkand extracted Yu Yevon encased hiself in the Armor that would come to be known as Sin ( this itself was a kind of summoning but made up of Pyreflies in stead of Memories.)

Having been encased in the Armor of Sin Yu Yevon was able to create a Dream facsimile of the lost city.

The decision to summon a dream Zanarkand came about because the Summoners felt they had le the people of Zanarkand down and they deserved a 2nd chance at life, so sacrificing them selves the Summoners gave life to those they had let down.

It was there duty.

Safe in his Armor Yu Yevon was set to summon Dream Zanarkand for all time.

Once this was established, Yunalesca initiated the plan to use Summoning fayth to garner further Worship for her farther, after the world learned of the Destruction of Zanarkand at the Hand of Sin and the threat he posed to the rest of the world.

Yunalesca Peformed the Final Summoning with Lord Zaon to defeat Sin and establish the Yevon religion.

Once Sin was defeated the Summoning Fayths were Placed a round Spira so Summoners could perform the Summoners Journey and Defeat Sin once again.

This continued for 1000 years.

Now where Dream Zanarkand was during its summoned state is Subjective and open to speculation, I heard it was set out at Sea after the summoning but it doesnt make sense
the whole idea that it exists in Spira in realtime is just stupid.

It would have been found eventually

The most logical location for it to be placed would be outside of Spira on some kind of dream realm and not have accessed by the Living, With Sin being the only access point
able to be a fairway for the dead (Auron) and summoned people of Zanarkand (Tidus and Jecht) to interact between the worlds, controlled by Yu Yevon of course.

Anything I missed?

Im hungry

 

[Merung]

I think they left the bit about Dream Zanarkand's location a bit too vague. Does it exist in the physical world or some other plane of existence? If the latter is the case, then how did Sin attack it? Also, why did it attack it?

 

[Donald Trump]

Because sin was Jecht, and Jecht wanted to take his son to Spira.
Dream Zanarkand is in Spira, almost certainly somewhere in the sea, because when Jecht touches Sin, he was training out at sea.
Yu Yevon was the ruler of Zanarkand and he created dream zanarkand so that when the real zanarkand lost the war to Bevelle, a Zanarkand would still exist. Yu Yevon also summons sin to protect dream zanarkand. Sin destroys all big communities and machina. Therefore people cannot find dream zanarkand. But Yu Yevon turns into a bug thing because he can't control Sin and Dream Zanarkand.

 

[bearsfwd]

I always thought Dream Zanarkand WAS Zanarkand. People on the outside could not see it since it WAS a dream. Tidus was essentially brought out of that dream and placed into the real world by Sin. Thus explaining why when we finally get to Zanarkand, he sees it as it really is.

Now, we never get to see anything from Auron's point of view, so one can assume that because he is dead but unsent, he could see the dream Zanarkand, so that he could go get Tidus at the beginning of the game.

Dream Zanarkand cannot possibly be inside Sin for the simple fact that Sin took Tidus from Dream Zanarkand. If Dream Zanarkand was inside Sin, then how would Sin be able to get Tidus?

 

[Donald Trump]

I think Dream Zanarkand is slightly misleading. The fayth are dreaming, but Dream Zanarkand is not really a dream, it's more of a summon. When Jecht and Tidus touch Sin they don't become real, they're still dreams/summons. So if people could see them, they'd still be able to see Dream Zanarkand. Auron is also able to live in Dream Zanarkand, because it is a real place.