Cloud's Love Triangle - The LTD of FFVII

[Fusionist]

Okay, this is something I've been wanting to ask for a while now, but fear of being seen as dumbass held me back-BUT NO MORE!

...How do you know AERITH loved CLOUD?

*crickets chirps*

Like, from everything I've played and watched with FFVII's name on it, I just don't really see it :/

I mean, okay, in the isolated FFVII game back in '97, yeah, I could see hints of it in the beginning, but at the same time, it just turned into something more...elevated, you know? Like she is Cloud's guardian.

I don't doubt she cares for him, but I can't really see how Aerith's feelings for Cloud differentiates from Zack's own feelings for him.

Aerith was always mindful of Tifa's feelings, and I can't imagine her wanting to hurt Tifa by making moves on Cloud. Also, if you do get the date with her at Gold Saucer, she's talking more about how Cloud resembles Zack before talking about wanting to meet the real Cloud.

I dunno, I guess it's just an interpretation thing, but...help?

 

[Dragon Mage]

Good point, Fusionist. There is a lot of debate surrounding the relationship between Zack and Aerith as well. As we saw in CC, Zack cared a lot about Aeris, so their relationship wasn't a twadry one. There is a lot of room to debate if Aeris actually loved Cloud or just took an immediate liking to him because he resembled Zack so much~

I'd say it's an interpretation thing, really. It could easily go either way.

 

[The Witch]

You want proof she loved Cloud?

From Dismantled. A book released side by side with FINAL FANTASY VII back in 1997. This was a CloudxTifa fan that translated this, I'll also point out.

"Aerith: At first when I met Cloud, I believed he was similar to Zack. Little actions, the way he spoke... his kindness. But Cloud is Cloud. I, now undoubtedly, love Cloud much more than Zack.

But Cloud is clueless."

The woman admitted as plainly as possible that she is undoubtedly in love with Cloud much more than she ever loved Zack, and she also notes that Cloud is Cloud, not Zack.

Case closed.

Aerith was always mindful of Tifa's feelings, and I can't imagine her wanting to hurt Tifa by making moves on Cloud. Also, if you do get the date with her at Gold Saucer, she's talking more about how Cloud resembles Zack before talking about wanting to meet the real Cloud.

That is by far one of the best reasons I've ever read in regards to Aerith not loving Cloud. At least you have some basis behind that. But as I've showed above, Aerith does love Cloud. It's been stated by the creators also. There's also a quote from an Ultimania that says both woman have feelings for Cloud but he doesn't notice either girl.

But in defense of Aerith, she asked Tifa if something was going on between her and Cloud, and Tifa answered no and that they were just childhood friends. So, Aerith had a green light.

 

[Dragon Mage]

If this book was released side by side with the game, then why don't I have it? I should have it, right? Because I got the game, so the book must be with the game, and yet I don't have it. Thus,

Also, it's a funny picture.

Tifa could also have been flustered by the way, just by the suggestion that she and Cloud were ahem-hem.

xD Don't take it seriously, Cali, I'm just joking. You have a good point, Aerith did get a green light there.

I'm still skeptical about this Dismantled thing since I've never seen it nor heard of it until now.

 

[The Witch]

Do you need a link to the book?

 

[Six]

Alrighty, I think my head is fresh enough again to lay down some well needed things here.

To come back at our disagreement, Cali. How... We were talking about when Cloud and Tifa share their mutual feelings, you said Cloud was controlled by Sephiroth. See your post here.

You're having the wrong scenerio in mind, though even this one, Cloud is trying to make Tifa feel secure. He's puzzling and searching to put the pieces together to make her feel at ease, even though his enemy is around.

However, you stating he only said it once 'while being controlled by Seph' is, what I remember, false. This is what I was referring to.

Cloud had control of his own mind here. In the Lifestream, right before

Spoiler

he was going to gather everyone in to the one room on the Highwind, where he tells everyone basically how fucked up in the head he's been. Telling them who he really is, genuinely meaning it.

This was WAY after Sephiroth fucked with his head.




He tells Tifa the following:

"No matter what anyone else says to me, it's your attitude that counts..." ​

- Cloud to Tifa,
---------​

As DM is trying to point out, how Cloud does care for Tifa, take a look at the actual sane Cloud back in Nibelheim, while they're in the Lifestream.

"I started reading the newspapers, thinking that there might be an article about you." - Tifa​

"Thanks, Tifa. Tell him what you told me, later. He'll probably be so happy." - Young Cloud. Final Fantasy VII.​

The player, and Tifa as well, can't deny the fact that she means a lot to Cloud, when his younger form tells her that. Who knows Cloud better than Cloud? (Maybe Tifa. ) Though, you surely get what I mean.

Once again though, it's stated how Cloud will feel if she were to tell him. Why would he be happy with that? Because he wanted his crush to notice him. And if it will still make him happy,




And to add in a little more, caring about a character shown by said characters:

"What's the matter? Are you all alone? You got lost didn't you? Separated from someone you love......? Silly thing..." ​

- Tifa to the dog in Mideel.​

"....... A sealed up secret wish ....... tender memories..... no one can ever know....."​

- Cloud's consciousness, in the Lifestream.​

"Someday we'll find the answer. Right, Tifa?"​

"That's what I've learned from you when I was in the Lifestream."​

- Cloud to Tifa. (Disk 2)​

It's a short-ish post, but I think it's fairly long enough for now.

 

[Terra Branford]

(Just to tell everyone, I'm neither a "Clorith" or a "Cloti". I support both, like both and love Tifa and Aerith, a lot. )

@Six:
I don't think anyone can deny Cloud cares for Tifa and Tifa for Cloud. Cloud cares for all his friends. Caring doesn't necessarily relate to 'loving' in a romantic sense...

He tells Tifa the following:

"No matter what anyone else says to me, it's your attitude that counts..." ​

- Cloud to Tifa, ​

I hope I'm not rude when saying this...but how is this romantic or shows a romantic feeling toward another? I'm lost >.>

Cloud saying "attitude" isn't him confessing mutual feelings or feelings at all. Its him telling Tifa her attitude counts to him.

My sisters attitude counts to me. My mother's attitude counts to me.

"I started reading the newspapers, thinking that there might be an article about you." - Tifa​

"Thanks, Tifa. Tell him what you told me, later. He'll probably be so happy." - Young Cloud. Final Fantasy VII.​

I'm confused about this one as well. I don't see anything relating to romantic feelings, or mutual feeling discussion. Just Tifa helping Cloud get his sanity back and a "thanks Tifa" from Cloud...

"Someday we'll find the answer. Right, Tifa?"​

"That's what I've learned from you when I was in the Lifestream."​

- Cloud to Tifa. (Disk 2)​

Answer to life. Answer to helping people. Answer to restore the planet. "Answer" could be to anything, really.

But this is what it made me think about, the answer to "going to meet her (Aerith)"?

>

Cloud: An answer from the Planet... the Promised Land...

"What's the matter? Are you all alone? You got lost didn't you? Separated from someone you love......? Silly thing..." ​

- Tifa to the dog in Mideel.​

I've even more confused.....
What does that have to do with anything relating to the LTD....? :wtf:
Tifa is talking to a dog, not Cloud. >.<

I'm still skeptical about this Dismantled thing since I've never seen it nor heard of it until now.

It exists. Though only in Japanese. You can find it on Japanese book stores, though its extremely rare...

(Sorry post isn't really that full of stuff. Its 12:03 here and I just wanted to ask those few things while I'm up xD)

 

[Six]

I hope I'm not rude when saying this...but how is this romantic or shows a romantic feeling toward another? I'm lost >.>

Him stating it's her attitude that counts, isn't specifically needed to be a romantic reference. However, I was trying to point out what DM was trying to do as well. You all provided links on how he describes Aerith, and how he cares for her, this to me, sounds like Tifa matters most to him, seeing it's her attitude that counts for him, he doesn't care about what anyone else says.

Doesn't need to be confessing mutual feelings like that, seeing that doesn't happen until under the Highwind. *Shrugs* I think anyway, I hope that cleared my view up a bit for you.

I'm confused about this one as well. I don't see anything relating to romantic feelings, or mutual feeling discussion. Just Tifa helping Cloud get his sanity back and a "thanks Tifa" from Cloud...

It's definitely not a thank you for me. The way I see it, he's thrilled that she thought about him, 'cause after all, all he wanted was for her to notice him, because he liked her so much when he was a kid. Telling Tifa that it would make him happy hearing that, to me, hints that he still has feelings for her even after all those years.

Answer to life. Answer to helping people. Answer to restore the planet. "Answer" could be to anything, really.

But this is what it made me think about, the answer to "going to meet her (Aerith)"?

I don't really think him telling Tifa that has to do anything with Aerith to be honest. That's just my opinion, though.

I've even more confused.....
What does that have to do with anything relating to the LTD....?
Tifa is talking to a dog, not Cloud. >.<

You're not getting my point. All of you were trying to point out how SE described how Cloud thought about Aerith, or how she thought about him. Tifa's referring to Cloud here when she's talking to the dog. It's the most obvious part of the game while you know who is missing.

Hope I cleared my points up a bit.

Mine weren't so much about their mutual feelings, but about how SE and both Cloud and Tifa show their feelings for one another to the player.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Do you need a link to the book?

I'm somewhat baffled that this question even need to be asked, since I've requested a link several times.

Yes, please. I would dearly like a link to the book.

 

[Terra Branford]

Sorry I didn't reply last night. It was 1:24 am xD

Him stating it's her attitude that counts, isn't specifically needed to be a romantic reference. However, I was trying to point out what DM was trying to do as well. You all provided links on how he describes Aerith, and how he cares for her, this to me, sounds like Tifa matters most to him, seeing it's her attitude that counts for him, he doesn't care about what anyone else says.

Describing the psychical features of a woman as beautiful and whatnot is nowhere near the same though, to saying "your attitude counts".

My sisters, my mother, my father and my brother's attitude counts to me as a general explanation that their attitude is well, appreciated.

If I was to describe a man who had died to having "beautiful eyes, great laugh" and whatnot, it would come off like I had feelings for that someone, wouldn't it?

If I were to walk up to a male friend of mine and said "your attitude counts to me" how do you think the situation comes off? I know my friends wouldn't see anything of it...

Doesn't need to be confessing mutual feelings like that, seeing that doesn't happen until under the Highwind. *Shrugs* I think anyway, I hope that cleared my view up a bit for you.

Yes it does happen then. I was merely pointing out whatever you guys might see as being there, isn't actually there.

And whatever those mutual feelings could be, we don't know.

I could mutually agree with my friends that I hate the color purple or that we all love each other as friends.

Mutually agreeing on feelings doesn't not relate to confessing love to one another, simply a agreement on a matter of feelings.

It's definitely not a thank you for me. The way I see it, he's thrilled that she thought about him, 'cause after all, all he wanted was for her to notice him, because he liked her so much when he was a kid. Telling Tifa that it would make him happy hearing that, to me, hints that he still has feelings for her even after all those years.

Exactly, the way you see it. A "thank you" shouldn't really be taken out of context.

Anyone would say "thank you" for a friend saving your sanity. I say "thank you" to my friends when they make my depression go away.

Should more be seen behind an innocent "thank you"?

So being happy to hear something should be taken as a hint that someone still has feelings for another someone? A lot of things makes lots of people happy.

To say that someone being happy to hear something should be taken as a hint of romance or romantic feelings, isn't very correct to say.

Yes...he wanted her to notice him as every little boy in that village did. He might care for Tifa and Tifa for him, but a childish crush built on what the whole town's boys saw Tifa as, shouldn't be taken seriously, or at least taken in this direction.

Cloud wanted her to notice him like she had done for others, but she didn't really do that, did she....?

A crush is just a crush. Especially when put on children. Unless said that childish crush is more officially, then it was just that: a crush....

I don't really think him telling Tifa that has to do anything with Aerith to be honest. That's just my opinion, though.

It certainly does. Both of them loved Aerith very much and would like the answer to seeing her again...I posted the quote xD

It certainly makes loads more sense than an answer to "I love yous" that we don't see occur or even hinted at.

The "answer" has been asked and directly pointed out in the game, so it makes more sense.

You're not getting my point. All of you were trying to point out how SE described how Cloud thought about Aerith, or how she thought about him. Tifa's referring to Cloud here when she's talking to the dog. It's the most obvious part of the game while you know who is missing.

Hope I cleared my points up a bit.

Mine weren't so much about their mutual feelings, but about how SE and both Cloud and Tifa show their feelings for one another to the player.

I wasn't in here before this

Yes, Cloud described Aerith, basically, as beautiful. He described the pain he got from it and how he'll never get to hear her laugh and whatever mushy stuff he cried out about.

Counting an attitude is not the same as describing a dead woman's happiness and the pain you get from that woman's death, nor the not being able to hear her laughter again...

@Dragon Mage:
Really? I haven't seen you ask for a link...

I don't doubt she cares for him, but I can't really see how Aerith's feelings for Cloud differentiates from Zack's own feelings for him.

I think we played entirely different games. I played FF7 >.>

And there are quotes stating Aerith loves Cloud, more than Zack. I do believe....

 

[The Witch]

I'm somewhat baffled that this question even need to be asked, since I've requested a link several times.

Yes, please. I would dearly like a link to the book.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/final-fantasy-vii-kaitai-shinsho-the-complete-ar

 

[Dragon Mage]

Not good enough, I'm afraid. You linked me to a book about FF7. This could be a self-published fanfic. I need a direct link to the actual material. A PDF or something. This says it's an artbook. Not an accompaniment book, an artbook. A book of art.

I am beginning to feel like you feel your position so threatened that you don't want to actually confess that there is no such book as this "Dismantled". That is the only logical conclusion I can make, since you've provided no such proof that this book even exists as you claim to be so far.

 

[Terra Branford]

Not good enough, I'm afraid. You linked me to a book about FF7. This could be a self-published fanfic. I need a direct link to the actual material. A PDF or something. This says it's an artbook. Not an accompaniment book, an artbook. A book of art.

.....

Giving you a link to a PDF would be illegal as you would be obtaining the material, illegally. Why would we do that something illegal? lol

...Dismantled is real. That book is officially published by Square Enix when the game was made. A remake of the book came to be after as well, if I remember correctly, it has Aerith on it. Just because we won't illegally give you the book doesn't mean it doesn't exist lol

They have Dismantled for other games as well (often translated as "Ultimanias), even moreso for 7. There is the Complete Dismantling of Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core as well. You can google that

Its called "Final Fantasy VII: Kaitai Shinsho the Complete" often translated as "Dismantled". The literal translation is "Disection"

And the site itself says:

Final Fantasy VII:Kaitai Shinsho the Complete
Official Strategy guide Book. Softcover.
*This is an official product, not bootleg. Printed in Japan.
*Out of print (OOP), Very Rare Book, Premium Item.
Japanese title =
ファイナルファンタジー7 解体真書―ザ・コンプリート

Here are screenshots of the one we are talking about:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Book-FINAL-FANT...888?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e0d46e90

So...yea, not an artbook, but an information book xD

I am beginning to feel like you feel your position so threatened that you don't want to actually confess that there is no such book as this "Dismantled". That is the only logical conclusion I can make, since you've provided no such proof that this book even exists as you claim to be so far.

What....? We won't give you an illegal link, so your logical conclusion is to assume (wrongly at that) the book doesn't exist?

You know Google goes a long way. If you don't believe what she said and she obviously cannot convince you, you can always google "Final Fantasy 7 Dismantled".

Here is a result for it: Clicky

EDIT:
If you don't believe Cali, you can go and ask the Clotis here:
http://thelifestream.net/

 

[The Witch]

Not good enough, I'm afraid. You linked me to a book about FF7. This could be a self-published fanfic. I need a direct link to the actual material. A PDF or something. This says it's an artbook. Not an accompaniment book, an artbook. A book of art.

I am beginning to feel like you feel your position so threatened that you don't want to actually confess that there is no such book as this "Dismantled". That is the only logical conclusion I can make, since you've provided no such proof that this book even exists as you claim to be so far.

NOOO, man. Just NO. it's an official freakin' book. All you're doing is making it seem like the information provided in this book threatens your Cloti views so much that you have to try and claim it's not real.

Sorry, bucko, it is as canon and reliable as Advent Children or any other thing for VII.

Terra Branford, thank you terra.

 

[Daenerys]

NOOO, man. Just NO. it's an official freakin' book. All you're doing is making it seem like the information provided in this book threatens your Cloti views so much that you have to try and claim it's not real.

Sorry, bucko, it is as canon and reliable as Advent Children or any other thing for VII.

Terra Branford, thank you terra.

Cali, tone it down. There's no need to be so hostile here.

This goes for everyone, if we have to post another mod warning in this thread, I'm closing it.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Yeah, try to tone it down please, Cali.

See Cali, what we just did there is trade a universal antagonism. It really is quite beautiful, it requires absolutely no evidence. I can easily accuse you of punching trees. Why? Because you haven't posted an pictures proving that you haven't punched trees.

And you just now used the same form of reply to me. Beautiful isn't it? In any case, at least my ploy worked and I actually got some LINKS this time.

And as I said before, Cali, all of the "evidence" in the game is so highly subjective to personal interpretation, the same scene can be seen either way. So I could see a lot of CloudxBarret if I was so inclined. You're automatically assuming I'm Cloti because I simply don't agree with you. That is called prejudice. Hear me out before slitting my throat.

Sorry, bucko, it is as canon and reliable as Advent Children or any other thing for VII.

Just as canon as the obvious romance between Cloud and Zack in CC, right? Nothing is canon. Nothing. Unless it comes out of Nomura's mouth, it isn't canon.

Now let's look at that 'evidence'.

Giving you a link to a PDF would be illegal as you would be obtaining the material, illegally. Why would we do that something illegal? lol

Assuming you're in possession of the book itself, you could also easily scan and upload an image of it for me to view personally. A PDF isn't illegal if it's been put up by the official owners of the material, at which point I will concede that it is valid. I have yet to see this, however.

And the site itself says:
Quote:
Final Fantasy VII:Kaitai Shinsho the Complete
Official Strategy guide Book. Softcover.
*This is an official product, not bootleg. Printed in Japan.
*Out of print (OOP), Very Rare Book, Premium Item.
Japanese title =
ファイナルファンタジー7 解体真書―ザ・コンプリート

The reason I have a problem with this is that who's word are you taking as valid on this? The seller. It's a product ON EBAY for god's sake. The person will say anything to sell it. I see no actual verification that it an authentic and "rare" item. The only person who actually says its rare and authentic is the seller, who obviously isn't reliable since they'll say whatever to make money on this item and to up it's selling price.

Here are screenshots of the one we are talking about:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Book-FINAL-FANTA...item53e0d46e90

So...yea, not an artbook, but an information book xD

And that says it's a Game Guide. Not an information book, but a walkthrough book. I'd hardly call that a "breakdown" or "analysis" of the game story. It's a walkthrough. And an artbook. Whichever one, it certainly isn't what you're claiming it to be. In fact, it looks more like a bestiary and locale book than anything else.

You know Google goes a long way. If you don't believe what she said and she obviously cannot convince you, you can always google "Final Fantasy 7 Dismantled".

I prefer to see the exact source that you are referring to, so that there is no ambiguity or possible discrepancies in source material. I like to be accurate that way.

If you don't believe Cali, you can go and ask the Clotis here:

Again, I take considerable offense that you so quickly assume I'm taking a Cloti stance simply because I don't agree with you. It isn't that I don't agree with CxA -- I totally support the possibility of it's existence. Just as I totally support the possibility of CxT. And CxY. And CxZ. I just don't agree with you that all scenes can be interpreted in ONE way and one way ONLY. And yet, that seems sufficient cause for you to immediately assume I'm taking a Cloti stance. I find that incredibly presumptuous and offensive, and I would like an apology. You are clearly not giving a word I say due consideration, and instead stoop to throwing labels and making hasty assumptions, utterly ignoring the hours of work I put into posting here, and that is what I find most offensive.

 

[Terra Branford]

Assuming you're in possession of the book itself, you could also easily scan and upload an image of it for me to view personally. A PDF isn't illegal if it's been put up by the official owners of the material, at which point I will concede that it is valid. I have yet to see this, however.

Even if I had it and uploaded it, it would still be illegal.

That would still be illegal, doesn't matter if someone bought it. Putting it up for others to see without purchase and to own without purchase, is illegal. xD

The links I gave you have images of it
http://cgi.ebay.com/Book-FINAL-FANT...888?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e0d46e90

Scroll down.

The reason I have a problem with this is that who's word are you taking as valid on this? The seller. It's a product ON EBAY for god's sake. The person will say anything to sell it. I see no actual verification that it an authentic and "rare" item. The only person who actually says its rare and authentic is the seller, who obviously isn't reliable since they'll say whatever to make money on this item and to up it's selling price.

Just because its on Ebay doesn't negate it being canon. >.<

You could always go to Japan or do a bit of research on it. Just because you can't find loads of information on an already rare book, doesn't mean its not canon or real.

And that says it's a Game Guide. Not an information book, but a walkthrough book. I'd hardly call that a "breakdown" or "analysis" of the game story. It's a walkthrough. And an artbook. Whichever one, it certainly isn't what you're claiming it to be.

Its an information game guide that goes along with Final Fantasy 7

You do realize that the Ultimanias are information guide books as well, right? And they very much exist and are canon....

I prefer to see the exact source that you are referring to, so that there is no ambiguity or possible discrepancies in source material. I like to be accurate that way.

Its only in Japanese. Even if I could find the Japanese site for a book to a 14+ year old game that is extremely rare, how would you read it?

Google translations aren't accurate, so the site could translate as anything really...

Again, I take considerable offense that you so quickly assume I'm taking a Cloti stance simply because I don't agree with you. It isn't that I don't agree with CxA -- I totally support the possibility of it's existence. Just as I totally support the possibility of CxT. And CxY. And CxZ. I just don't agree with you that all scenes can be interpreted in ONE way and one way ONLY. And yet, that seems sufficient cause for you to immediately assume I'm taking a Cloti stance. I find that incredibly presumptuous and offensive, and I would like an apology. You are clearly not giving a word I say due consideration, and instead stoop to throwing labels and making hasty assumptions, utterly ignoring the hours of work I put into posting here, and that is what I find most offensive.

Ummm....I didn't assume anything.

All I said was you could ask the Clotis there. Where did I say you were a Cloti?

I said "Clotis there" to mean even they know its real. If I was meaning to "accuse" you of being something I would have said "other Clotis like you" But I didn't :l

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for you to take it that way.

EDIT:
Here is the ISBN for it, if you want it. Could help:

ISBN4-7577-0098-9

 

[Dragon Mage]

Even if I had it and uploaded it, it would still be illegal.

That would still be illegal, doesn't matter if someone bought it. Putting it up for others to see without purchase and to own without purchase, is illegal. xD

The links I gave you have images of it
http://cgi.ebay.com/Book-FINAL-FANTA...item53e0d46e90

Yes, it's a risk we ALL take when we download music from the internet, yet that doesn't stop anyone now does it?

And yes, when I called it an art and locale book, I was referring to all those images of it. I do thoroughly examine a source when it's given to me, and this one didn't make the cut.

Just because its on Ebay doesn't negate it being canon. >.<

You could always go to Japan or do a bit of research on it. Just because you can't find loads of information on an already rare book, doesn't mean its not canon or real.

It being on Ebay gives me plenty enough reason to doubt whatever the seller might say about it.

Of course. I will immediately jump on a plane, abduct and otaku and interrogate him/her as to the nature of this book. I think going to Japan and researching it is a bit much to ask for a forum LOVE TRIANGLE DEBATE.

Its an information game guide that goes along with Final Fantasy 7

If it goes along with the game then it begs the question of why don't I have it too?

Ummm....I didn't assume anything.

All I said was you could ask the Clotis there. Where did I say you were a Cloti?

I said "Clotis there" to mean even they know its real. If I was meaning to "accuse" you of being something I would have said "other Clotis like you" But I didn't :l

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for you to take it that way.

Apology accepted. Thank you.

The underlying assumption you had inherent in your post was that if I went to my own shippers for information and confirmed the existence of something that supports your ship, then I would be convinced. I'm not taking any stance in this thread. If anything should be utterly clear, that is it.

 

[Terra Branford]

Yes, it's a risk we ALL take when we download music from the internet, yet that doesn't stop anyone now does it?

Um. I don't know about you, but I don't do anything illegal on the internet, including stealing books or music....

You can find the book for 9-16 dollars.

And yes, when I called it an art and locale book, I was referring to all those images of it. I do thoroughly examine a source when it's given to me, and this one didn't make the cut.

Okay then, you should know an "Art book" and and "information Guide book" are completely different.

Its an information guide to go along with Final Fantasy 7. So as you play, you read it. Really, if you don't believe it exists, go to the LifeStream forums. I believe they have scans and translations of it as well.

It being on Ebay gives me plenty enough reason to doubt whatever the seller might say about it.

Uhh...Just because its on ebay doesn't mean its fake. >.>

I'll try and find Japanese sites for a 14+ year old game's guide book. Maybe that will be enough. We can't get it from an official SE store as they don't SELL them anymore. >.>

Of course. I will immediately jump on a plane, abduct and otaku and interrogate him/her as to the nature of this book. I think going to Japan and researching it is a bit much to ask for a forum LOVE TRIANGLE DEBATE.

....I was joking. lol

It was my way of telling you it would be impossible to prove to you its canon unless you either A: Went to the LifeStream forums and asked (I believe they have it) or B: Buy the book or C: Do research on it...

You obviously can't take our word for it, so that isn't much I can say, is there? >.<

If it goes along with the game then it begs the question of why don't I have it too?

....I don't know, why don't you have? It could be because it was ONLY released in Japan or maybe because its extremely rare and has had later releases as well.

Why would I hold the answer of you not owning it?

EDIT1:
Ah, here is a translation being done on the LifeStream forums:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6145

Its not very far though >.>

 

[Dragon Mage]

Um. I don't know about you, but I don't do anything illegal on the internet, including stealing books or music....

That makes you a positive curiosity!

Okay then, you should know an "Art book" and and "information Guide book" are completely different.

Exactly. Which makes me wonder how anyone could get Aerith thinking/saying "I love you Cloudy-bird" out of EITHER of those. And also makes me doubt even a loose titling of this book as Game guide or art book could even remotely resemble the kind of text I've been described.

Suspicious Dragon Mage is suspicious.

Uhh...Just because its on ebay doesn't mean its fake. >.>

Not that it's fake, just that it isn't valid. I still don't see how this can possibly contain the text I've been described.

....I was joking. lol

It was my way of telling you it would be impossible to prove to you its canon unless you either A: Went to the LifeStream forums and asked (I believe they have it) or B: Buy the book or C: Do research on it...

You obviously can't take our word for it, so that isn't much I can say, is there? >.<

I was joking as well

I only require to see the exact source that you are using. That would be plenty for me to understand where you are drawing your information from. Problem is, that exact source doesn't seem accessible unless someone uploads a scan of the exact page.

....I don't know, why don't you have? It could be because it was ONLY released in Japan or maybe because its extremely rare and has had later releases as well.

It could very well be such the case. But from what I understand, you're saying that it was released with the game, no matter what edition or country it was from, right?

Why would I hold the answer of you not owning it?

It was a rhetorical question.

P.S. I will check out that site that you mentioned, but it will have to wait till tomorrow. It's 1 in the morning and I have a project to present in a few hours.