Bad Points Of FFXIII

[GarnetRoyale]

Nothing else needs to be said.

I Totally Agree! How DARE they turn Shiva, The Ice Queen into a freaking motorcycle! Ughh. They might as well turn her into a skateboard too while they're at it. It's just don't understand why would they turn one of the most feminine figures in FF history into a HOG!

 

[UltimaFantasy2007]

We know that Odin transforms into his horse. I wonder what the other summons will turn into...

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

We know that Odin transforms into his horse. I wonder what the other summons will turn into...

Into his horse, I don't get how that'll work if he's already riding one

I think it's just evident that people can't accept new ideas and change of designs, yet people will sit and moan how half the Final Fantasy characters look the same anyway.

I'd much rather have that than some shitty half arsed summon you get every game tbqh.

 

[DarkClaymore]

I actually like the idea of summons becoming things.
I think it quite cool and makes them more useful.
I totally like the "Shiva to Motorcycle" thing.

I wonder if she has some functions, like: GPS, phone, text messege reader etc

 

[RioDragon]

I wonder if she has some functions, like: GPS, phone, text messege reader etc

More like just a motorcycle with erotic blow-up doll functionality, judging by the pic.

 

[DarkClaymore]

More like just a motorcycle with erotic blow-up doll functionality, judging by the pic.

Yeah, I thought someone will say something like that.
But it is nice to hope it has some actually useful functions.
Even though what you said can be useful as well... in certain meaning... but not in a teen rated RPG

We know that Odin transforms into his horse. I wonder what the other summons will turn into...

I just noticed that... and that:

Into his horse, I don't get how that'll work if he's already riding one

I really don't see the point of him becoming a horse if he is riding one.
Where did that idea come from anyway?

And it seems they all can turn into CD or something.

So do they just download monsters from the net and burn them on a CD or something? That can be great

 

[Zerokku]

I think it's just evident that people can't accept new ideas and change of designs, yet people will sit and moan how half the Final Fantasy characters look the same anyway.

Theres good change and bad change. Honestly outside of some of these ridiculous designs, its going to be the same ridiculously annoying and overdone bullshit that weve been seeing in JRPGs for the past 10 years.

What they're changing is retarded and stupid (Outside of the combat) and what they aren't changing is the same boring uninspired tripe weve been seeing for too long as is.

And many of nomura's characters do look the same. Nomura is worse then Akira Toriyama when it comes to borrowing from his own previous creations.

 

[RioDragon]

And it seems they all can turn into CD or something.

So do they just download monsters from the net and burn them on a CD or something? That can be great

And that is already a blatant rip-off from the Shin Megami Tensei franchise. Well, not necessarily CDs involved, but Stephen Hawking (or a lookalike called Stephen) sent a teenager a Devil Communication Protocol over the internet in SMT I, and it allowed the translation of demon speech and also facilitated storing the demons on computer harddrives.

And being that 'Demon' in the MegaTen franchise is a term for anything mythological or religious in origin, SHIVA and ODIN were included under said umbrella term, being Gods of Hindu and Norse mythos respectively. So, Squeenix is even more of a rip-off. I'd never even noticed the CD thing until you said it. Thanks for that.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

Theres good change and bad change. Honestly outside of some of these ridiculous designs, its going to be the same ridiculously annoying and overdone bullshit that weve been seeing in JRPGs for the past 10 years.

What they're changing is retarded and stupid (Outside of the combat) and what they aren't changing is the same boring uninspired tripe weve been seeing for too long as is.

Is it really that bad, or is it just the fact you seem set on not giving FFXIII a chance whatsoever? I won't deny Nomura has a tendency to make characters look similar but XIII hardly looks like any other game, yes Lightning has a resemblance to Cloud but he was asked to do that. I honestly don't seen how it's boring and uninspiring. At the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[Zerokku]

Is it really that bad, or is it just the fact you seem set on not giving FFXIII a chance whatsoever? I won't deny Nomura has a tendency to make characters look similar but XIII hardly looks like any other game, yes Lightning has a resemblance to Cloud but he was asked to do that. I honestly don't seen how it's boring and uninspiring. At the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Its boring and uninspired because its doing nothing new. Its beating us over the head with the same tired jrpg tropes weve been seeing for years. Its yet Another 'rebels versus empire' story. Not to mention given the specifics we've been given about the story theres a high chance its going to come off as incredibly pretentious.

To put it bluntly, I've been playing games in this genre for far too long to be impressed by what XIII is showing us. If they legitimately changed things up more perhaps I'd be interested but theyve admitted to following a certain guideline for mainline FFs that guarantees they'll be in a rut for years to come. The whole reason Versus was created is so that they can try and experiment outside of said guideline. Too bad nomura was the one put in charge which means it will end up being a boring melodramatic and pretentious mess like kingdom hearts.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

Its boring and uninspired because its doing nothing new. Its beating us over the head with the same tired jrpg tropes weve been seeing for years. Its yet Another 'rebels versus empire' story. Not to mention given the specifics we've been given about the story theres a high chance its going to come off as incredibly pretentious.

So basically you're judging off trailers and media articles when neither are able to give you a proper insight to the game. Until you've played the game at least you can't exactly comment on how good or bad the story's going to be.

To put it bluntly, I've been playing games in this genre for far too long to be impressed by what XIII is showing us. If they legitimately changed things up more perhaps I'd be interested but theyve admitted to following a certain guideline for mainline FFs that guarantees they'll be in a rut for years to come.

Maybe it's just time for a change in genre then

The whole reason Versus was created is so that they can try and experiment outside of said guideline. Too bad nomura was the one put in charge which means it will end up being a boring melodramatic and pretentious mess like kingdom hearts.

Tbh, I can't think of anyone in Square Enix recently that could do a better job. Sakaguchi will probably be mentioned as he always is, other than Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IX, there's nothing he's done that makes me want him back at SE.

 

[UltimaFantasy2007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjkGUM7skk
Watch the trailer again. The first thing I noticed is that Odin appeared, and battled, without his trusted horse. I found it very odd and then when it was hinted later on that Odin's alternate form something that is key to Odin (along those lines) I put two and two together. Here's it is, btw, Odin's Gestalt Form:

Here's a trailer showing the Shiva motorcycle in action.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-final-fantasy/50922

 

[Zerokku]

So basically you're judging off trailers and media articles when neither are able to give you a proper insight to the game. Until you've played the game at least you can't exactly comment on how good or bad the story's going to be.

We've gotten enough pieces to begin to form an opinion. I'm not flat out saying its going to be bad, but from what weve seen it doesnt get my hopes up. I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic until we get more definitive info, but I can't say I'm excited on what weve seen so far.

Maybe it's just time for a change in genre then

Its not so much a problem with me as it is with the JRPG genre as a whole. Its gotten incredibly stale overall. What are some exceptionally good console JRPGs this gen? Valkyria Chronicles, Lost Odyssey, and Tales of Vesparia? Everything else ranges from mediocre to decent at best. Back in the PS1 days JRPGs were the hottest thing around, and there were tons of brilliant, imaginitive, and creative games. The problem is its been in a decline since. Look at this gen. Not a single JRPG will break a million in the states outside of FFXIII this gen, barring some crazy unheard of wtfawesome game that would come out of nowhere. WRPGs have taken over as the rpgs this gen and JRPGs need to figure out a way to adapt if they want to be taken seriously outside of japan.

Tbh, I can't think of anyone in Square Enix recently that could do a better job. Sakaguchi will probably be mentioned as he always is, other than Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IX, there's nothing he's done that makes me want him back at SE.

I may be a bit biased being a sakaguchi fanboy, but I'd want him back at Squeenix just because without his guiding hand, pretty much everything released from the square half of squeenix since the merger that wasnt a remake/port has been mediocre to meh. Since his departure its easy to get the impression that square has become a case of too many cooks in the kitchen, with wada being fine with milking franchises for everything their worth as long as it brings in money.

The problem is, all the best people for the job are gone from square. Sakaguchi would be good but theres too much bad blood between them now not to mention he has his own awesome company. Matsuno would be godly, but I doubt squeenix will ever let him come back, and even if they did they'd probably screw over his creations like they did with XII. Kato would also be amazing, his work on CT/CC/FFXI is some of the most impressive story stuff theyve done, but hes left square and only does freelance work. Horii would be interesting, but unlikely that we'll ever see him work on something outside of DQ unless squeenix finally ends up making Chrono Break.

When it comes down to it, You're probably right though. Nomura probably is the best choice they have for the job. Which is downright depressing.

 

[RioDragon]

I may be a bit biased being a sakaguchi fanboy, but I'd want him back at Squeenix just because without his guiding hand, pretty much everything released from the square half of squeenix since the merger that wasnt a remake/port has been mediocre to meh. Since his departure its easy to get the impression that square has become a case of too many cooks in the kitchen, with wada being fine with milking franchises for everything their worth as long as it brings in money.

The problem is, all the best people for the job are gone from square. Sakaguchi would be good but theres too much bad blood between them now not to mention he has his own awesome company. Matsuno would be godly, but I doubt squeenix will ever let him come back, and even if they did they'd probably screw over his creations like they did with XII. Kato would also be amazing, his work on CT/CC/FFXI is some of the most impressive story stuff theyve done, but hes left square and only does freelance work. Horii would be interesting, but unlikely that we'll ever see him work on something outside of DQ unless squeenix finally ends up making Chrono Break.

When it comes down to it, You're probably right though. Nomura probably is the best choice they have for the job. Which is downright depressing.

I feel like if there's anything that comes close to the old greatness of the FF series, it's Mistwalker's Stuff. Lost Odyssey, to me, was how FF X SHOULD have been if the people involved weren't going off their rocker. It's epic, and the most emotional game I've ever played, well-written enough to be the only one to make me cry. It's kinda sad that Cry On got cancelled, because I'm pretty sure they would find a way to succeed at making an emotional roller coaster ride of a game.

Personally, I even liked Blue Dragon. Despite the mediocre reviews, I saw it as a damn good Dragon Quest equivalent title for Mistwalker, and I personally don't see why Blue Dragon was bashed so much and DQ VIII back in the day praised so much when they both did pretty much the same things. And even with DQ VIII, it was already old.

If Mistwalker pulls through and continues making the Lost Odyssey series or games of similar calibur, I'll be the first to say that the company is the revival of the good ol' Square all over again, but this time with only the best people.

Back to the topic, though, FF XIII just strikes me as a mishmash of FF VIII with FF XII so far. Which is sad because I thought they could come up with much more original plots. Hell, I could come up with a better plot in less than a minute, and a cast full of nonconventional characters in maybe another two. The point is, it looks like Squeenix aren't trying at anything more than the WOW-factor, the cinematics and such. And Nomura heading up the project with his designs and everything just makes it look worse to me... Granted, at least he's improved a bit. I haven't noticed loads of ridiculous zippers on the costumes yet, and at least the characters aren't freaking anorexic, like in the overrated TWEWY.

 

[Serah]

I'm just wondering how people can judge a game based on trailers and what SE has provided on it alone? It doesn't make any sense that you can just sit there and call a game shit when it's not even been released yet and you've not even played it? I'm sorry but this is a Final Fantasy forum and yet you're coming on here bashing FF games? Seriously...the game hasn't even been released yet and you claim you "know" it's gonna be a piece of shit. No, I'm sorry but you don't know.

 

[Zerokku]

I feel like if there's anything that comes close to the old greatness of the FF series, it's Mistwalker's Stuff. Lost Odyssey, to me, was how FF X SHOULD have been if the people involved weren't going off their rocker. It's epic, and the most emotional game I've ever played, well-written enough to be the only one to make me cry. It's kinda sad that Cry On got cancelled, because I'm pretty sure they would find a way to succeed at making an emotional roller coaster ride of a game.

Personally, I even liked Blue Dragon. Despite the mediocre reviews, I saw it as a damn good Dragon Quest equivalent title for Mistwalker, and I personally don't see why Blue Dragon was bashed so much and DQ VIII back in the day praised so much when they both did pretty much the same things. And even with DQ VIII, it was already old.

If Mistwalker pulls through and continues making the Lost Odyssey series or games of similar calibur, I'll be the first to say that the company is the revival of the good ol' Square all over again, but this time with only the best people.

Oh I know. Mistwalker's games + Bioware's games are what sold me on a 360. I probably wouldn't have even payed attention to XIII if it wasnt going multiplatform.

I'm just wondering how people can judge a game based on trailers and what SE has provided on it alone? It doesn't make any sense that you can just sit there and call a game shit when it's not even been released yet and you've not even played it? I'm sorry but this is a Final Fantasy forum and yet you're coming on here bashing FF games? Seriously...the game hasn't even been released yet and you claim you "know" it's gonna be a piece of shit. No, I'm sorry but you don't know.

Because it already looks bad. Its like seeing a pile of crap on TV. Are you going to wait till you have that pile of crap in your hands before saying its shit? With everything I know about crap, I would feel safe in making a judgment call that I probably dont want it. The same is true of the game. With everything I know of FF and RPGs in general, I feel safe in making the assumption that its probably going to be decent at best and mediocre at worst. I'm still going to try and remain cautiously optimistic like I said higher up in the page, but I'm not going in expected the best rpg ever like half of this fanbase seems to, particularly with the flaws theyve already shown us.

And whats wrong with bashing some FF games? This series is not the end all be all of JRPGs, and there are some downright bad games, some even in the main series.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

If Mistwalker pulls through and continues making the Lost Odyssey series or games of similar calibur, I'll be the first to say that the company is the revival of the good ol' Square all over again, but this time with only the best people.

However, would Mistwalker do a better job than SE at developing FFXIII? Probably not. Looking at their game ratings, their top game is "good" at best, at least Nomura can brag that the games he's worked on have higher ratings, which to me says Mistwalker aren't all that good, they sell themselves because of the people who work there, not the quality of their games.

Because it already looks bad. Its like seeing a pile of crap on TV. Are you going to wait till you have that pile of crap in your hands before saying its shit?

But you're making the presumption that's it's going to be shit, when in reality, you have no idea.

And whats wrong with bashing some FF games? This series is not the end all be all of JRPGs, and there are some downright bad games, some even in the main series.

I think it's the fact you're judging a game as shit before you even know what it's like, if people are willing to judge games badly because of trailers then they really shouldn't be judging at all.

I'm just wondering how people can judge a game based on trailers and what SE has provided on it alone? It doesn't make any sense that you can just sit there and call a game shit when it's not even been released yet and you've not even played it? I'm sorry but this is a Final Fantasy forum and yet you're coming on here bashing FF games? Seriously...the game hasn't even been released yet and you claim you "know" it's gonna be a piece of shit. No, I'm sorry but you don't know.

+1

 

[Zerokku]

However, would Mistwalker do a better job than SE at developing FFXIII? Probably not. Looking at their game ratings, their top game is "good" at best, at least Nomura can brag that the games he's worked on have higher ratings, which to me says Mistwalker aren't all that good, they sell themselves because of the people who work there, not the quality of their games.

Oh I love the irony. You called me out for saying a game doesn't look good without having played it, and here you are doing the same.

Also, LOL if you actually take "professional" review scores seriously. If you're even remotely familiar with the industry you should know to take them with a grain of salt. Not to mention you dont think FF and half the squeenix properties get a free pass because of their names? XII got 10s and 9s from tons of "Professional" reviewers, and yet actual fan opinion would probably be a fair bit less.

But you're making the presumption that's it's going to be shit, when in reality, you have no idea.
I think it's the fact you're judging a game as shit before you even know what it's like, if people are willing to judge games badly because of trailers then they really shouldn't be judging at all.

So given my previous analogy, I should wait till I have crap in my hands before I declare it as shit?

And I do have an idea. Theyve given us information, and what theyve given us doesn't look good. Is it a bit of a stretch for me to assume the rest of the game is going to be as ridiculous as what we've seen so far? Probably, but I'm familiar enough with the genre to have an idea of what the end result will be, particularly with a series that isn't exactly great at changing things up. With that I feel safe in making an assumption now. One that you'd know I'm willing and hoping will change if youve bothered to actually read all of my posts rather than getting annoyed at the fact I'm not impressed with the mediocrity presented so far.

 

[Serah]

Okay right we get it. You think it's shit based on seeing only a few trailers and possibly reading a few articles. Do you think maybe you could stop repeating yourself now? All you're doing is going around in a bloody circle and quite frankly, it's irritating to read the same thing from you everytime I come in this thread. I'm half-inclined to close it.

 

[Zerokku]

Okay right we get it. You think it's shit based on seeing only a few trailers and possibly reading a few articles. Do you think maybe you could stop repeating yourself now? All you're doing is going around in a bloody circle and quite frankly, it's irritating to read the same thing from you everytime I come in this thread. I'm half-inclined to close it.

I hope I'm not poking the proverbial dragon in the eye here by saying this to an admin, but how is disliking it from what weve seen any different from all the fans who think it looks amazing based only on what we've seen? The only difference Is that I have a dissenting opinion. They have as much reason to assume its going to be good as I have that it will be bad. Yet I'm the one getting called out for such behavior.

But whatever, I'll leave this thread so other people can still talk about what they want.