Final Fantasy vs. RPG in general

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so what do you guys think separates a FF game from some other RPG? I've always found FF games different, but I always just assumed it's because final fantasy gives its players some super top secret non-understandable slightly nostalgic familiarity of a feeling or some shit

Do you think they're different?
 
I don't really find them different. They're good games, but I've played some RPGs that I would say are superior to most FF games. But FF games are still some of my favorite RPGs next to Tales, Dragon Quest, etcetera.
 
Draklor said:
I don't really find them different. They're good games, but I've played some RPGs that I would say are superior to most FF games. But FF games are still some of my favorite RPGs next to Tales, Dragon Quest, etcetera.
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no, no, none of that etc. crap. I need to know which games you find superior to FF so I can play them and enjoy my lonely "i live in my mom's basement" life
 
I like Shin Megami Tensei and their Persona series, and they're pretty good. I wouldn't say better than FF, but they do have a lot to them (aside from the Persona games having a super open world), and I've heard Xenosaga is really good, so I'm going to be checking out the first one. Tales is great because it isn't going along with all of the crap that SE is doing to their good IPs like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. Better character development as well.
 
Whoever invented the Final Fantasy series is a master of some kind of hypnosis that ingrains intense emotions into your subconscious mind.

THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR IT!

And honestly, I feel the same way with the classic Chocobo's Dungeon 2...
 
Ya know come to think of it I've never really played any RPG games aside from the FF series. I guess they all look like typical dungeons and dragons types when I see them. FF has always been unique even in the event that their later releases have taken a huge nose dive I still have a hard time getting away from FF. Even though I don't play the new games I still go back every othe year or so and play my favorite classics.
 
I grew up playing Pokemon, and then I played Dragon Quest, so it was kind of hard getting into Final Fantasy. I didn't play any of the 3D ones until a few years back when I got FFX used with the PS2 I bought solely to keep playing DQVIII :lew: Then I moved on from there and own VI, VII, VIII, IX, and XII. Good games, but nothing special when compared to many other RPGs. I think Tales has a much more fun battle syste, and they've managed to keep the overworld and airships up until possibly Xillia.
 
Legend of Legaia was my first RPG and is what actually got me into Final Fantasy. I played that shit back in 99 or late 98 and haven't seen another RPG since 03 or 04 (fuck, if I remember), and that was X-2. There was obviously a difference, but I just couldn't compare a PS1 RPG with a PS2 RPG, so it's not like I was able to see a fair difference.

I did play Star Ocean once though. That shit was pretty fun, but it had a different feel to it. If I saw someone playing it, I'd know for sure they weren't playing Final Fantasy. I can't explain it, man.
 
The Final Fantasy games both delve into an originality which isn't normally there, and are more exaggerated. Other than that, I don't find there to be a whole lot of difference. I still like Final Fantasy for this reason.
 
That's an interesting question actually, and I had to actually think about this. Well, perhaps like many on this site, I was introduced to the RPG genre with Final Fantasy, and therefore the franchise itself for a long time just became the single embodiment of the whole genre. It was only a little while later that I branched off to touch on other RPGs so for quite a considerable length of time, Final Fantasy was entirely the RPG genre for me. I guess this was because I played more of Final Fantasy than any other RPG series, the fact that it's such a long running series with far more memorable and captivating moments for me at the time.

Nowadays however, you look at Final Fantasy and realise that it's not actually as unique as you would think it is. Yes, FFVII back in the day must have been very groundbreaking, but it isn't as though it's one of the best games ever in my opinion. It was just the first to manage it and astound the newly-acquired bulk of the western audience. There are many other RPGs that I think are just as good or even better. It isn't like Final Fantasy indulges in a form of storytelling that is a lot more refined or deeper than other games. It's only graphically and visually nowadays that truly makes Final Fantasy that noticeable from the crowd (aside from the recognisable brand name of course). As much as I know, no other RPG has had this much dedication to the graphics and the top-notch CGI as what modern Final Fantasy gets nowadays. So when you think about it, there isn't actually much that separates FF from its cousins. You can easily play something like Lost Odyssey or Xenoblade and pretend that they are Final Fantasies, though without as much attention in the graphical department.
 
The FF series consistently has staples that differentiate it from others. Example: Spell names such as Firaga, Blizzaga, Thundaga. Moogles. Chocobos. Ultima (Ultima Weapon). Ribbon. These separate the series from the rest purely by association.
 
All game series do that. And FF's spell names really aren't very creative at all :hmmm: Chocobos and moogles are something completely different. I like how Tales uses Gels as health and tp items instead of the usual potion. FF isn't creative at all when it comes to that stuff 8(
 
Draklor said:
All game series do that. And FF's spell names really aren't very creative at all :hmmm: Chocobos and moogles are something completely different. I like how Tales uses Gels as health and tp items instead of the usual potion. FF isn't creative at all when it comes to that stuff 8(
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It's not that FF is creative or uncreative, it's that those spell names and whatnot have become iconic staples of the series. When someone hears 'firaga' they think Final Fantasy, even though the word itself doesn't have any special connotations. It's the brand association that makes it so.

It probably doesn't have a direct connection to 'that feeling' that Catnip is talking about, but I figured I'd try to pin some logic on it.
 
so tmoo what you're saying is.... ff is the only one who comes up with stupid names for everything? that's totally inaccurate, man...........
 
Catnip said:
so tmoo what you're saying is.... ff is the only one who comes up with stupid names for everything? that's totally inaccurate, man...........
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Ya missed the point. I'm saying FF carries weight as a name and those spell names and whatnot that I listed are identified with the series. Few RPG series carry that much influence.
 
Tmoo said:
Ya missed the point. I'm saying FF carries weight as a name and those spell names and whatnot that I listed are identified with the series. Few RPG series carry that much influence.
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and how long did it take for those spell names to become widely familiar? 7 games?

just as long as it would take any rpg, probably.

all I'm saying is, I think what you think makes FF different from any other RPG just isn't what makes it different from any other RPG. but maybe I'm reading you wrong, man. maybe there's some deep feeling inside that you can't really explain but you know it's right and you know that's totally what makes the games different

or maybe I'm right (probably this one)
 
Final Fantasy is like the father of the genre, it is the foundation of RPGs. Just like with Legend of Zelda for adventure games and Mario for platform games the Final Fantasy series is so strongly responsible for what modern RPGs are it becomes very difficult to compare Final Fantasy to the genre itself.
 
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