Humanity and Morality, contradicting phenomenon

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Hello everyone. I don't think there is a thread quite like this but I hope its intresting.


Well a few of the topics I have posted in lately have spanned over the concept of humanity and morality and what not. This thread is not however a result of any previous debate, but rather my own contemplation of human nature and what not.

I find human nature intresting for so many reasons, but lately a certain realization has crossed my mind. Humans are constantly evolving themselves, and changing our own human natures over time.

I like to think I have good morals, but hell ,who am I kidding. We all do stupid things that we don't agree with all of the time, or sometimes we just think about doing it. I will post some common examples, also pointing out I am not subjecting everyone to each of these.

) So many of us pride their children, themselves, and society on peace and non violence. Yet so many people can get into a fight over their own egos on the street if insulted or picked on... myself included sometimes (even just by words of thinking about doing something.

) So many people pride themselves on trust within relationships and family. However sometimes that proves to be something we just cannot always control. Sometimes couples get paranoid or jealous with each other for absolutely no reason.

) So many of us do hypocritical things all the times (myself included). Sometimes we throw something out of a window and praise recycling. We complain about a certain fas or activity, and then end up doing it. We constantly are upgrading what "is" cool. We rage about oil or the enviorment and get a gas hording car or truck. Sometimes people even lie to themselves in order to introduce change.


This is just self thinking and wondering keep in mind. These are only examples.

I find wonder in the idea that humanity is capable of relaying beliefs or morals on a changing level, even though we break these rules ourselves, or desire to break them sometimes. This is what seperates us from other mammal totally. We are actually breaking the laws of our own genetic human nature over time.

I mean over the last thousands of years, turtles have not changed much, and ants still live in the same holes. However, humanity is able to actually desire improvement for the quality of living in our own growing ambitions. We have been born into with what seems to be violence... in order to eventually love, and each and every day we continue to fight and wage war not only with the people who have hate, but also with our own born nature.

When you compare the contradicting human nature to other organisms you cannot help but be impressed.


Anyway like I said this is just contemplation. There is no specific single question for this thread. However it is kind of open ground for what you think on the matter. How humanity is able to make mistakes and learn from them, or if you think humanity has just undone itself. Or even if you have a religious perspective in all of this. Its open to anyone who has an opinion about morality, humanity, evolution.
 
Ok from what I'm reading in your post, you are saying that morals are contradictory to human nature. That when we do something immoral we are effectively doing what is natural to us. I am going to write a reply based on this assumption

My answer would be that, not that's dumb. Personally I would be content to leave it there, but my pal CassinoChips would infract me for spamming.

A lot of spiders kill and eat their young, it is human nature to nurture and raise children. That seems something very moral to me, something instinctively kind that doesn't have to be learnt.

I also think that in general it is part of human nature to know that killing another, or taking their possessions etc. is wrong. I remember my mother scolding me for stealing, but never having to tell me it was wrong originally. Or having to tell me that making another child cry when I hit them was a bad thing to do.

Occasionally someone might lose their temper and hit someone else, which clearly is an immoral thing. It is also human nature granted, but the regret and/or sheepishness most people would feel after is also human nature.


tl;dr It's simple, we kill the Batman
 
In response to your post I would like to point out I did not say everything we do is immoral by human nature. Please do not take that the wrong way.

I would like to point out that everyone has good and evil inside of them, its how you use it that defines your character. Just because you know stealing is wrong does not mean some people do not feel it is, or even if they know it is, they do it anyhow.

I guess the biggest reflection of this thread is the concept of how humans are capable of deciding what we deem is right and wrong even if some of these things contradict violent or improper human nature. I think its amazing how we are able as a majority to try to disolves the parts of humanity we don't like. And further more its also amazing how each race is able to do this very same thing with completely different standards and methods. I find it amazing that so many races and humans seek the same results with completely different methods.
 
I find it amazing that so many races and humans seek the same results with completely different methods.

Everything you're saying here is only supporting the notion that morality (however it expresses itself) is a natural human trait. We're social creatures - it's an advantageous characteristic to promote cooperation and unity.
 
Everything you're saying here is only supporting the notion that morality (however it expresses itself) is a natural human trait. We're social creatures - it's an advantageous characteristic to promote cooperation and unity.

And I never said it was not. I am not really looking for a fight in this thread, but more or less contemplational discussion. I mean morality being a human nature may be true, but it can not stand on its own after birth. Its the human nature of education and enviorment that create morality. If someone was born into a poor country with nothing, and was taught that they needed to steal to survive...they would, and they do. This is the same with killers and dictators, being born into a country of corruption, I do not think morality is completely automatic. So morality cannot truly be human nature, however it is human nature to fight for what we believe in, wether it be right or wrong in others eyes.
 
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