Regarding The Northern Crater

[Baron Van Wolfen]

I have a pretty simple question that I just can't seem to remember.

So we know that the Northern Crater was a wound caused by the meteor that Jenova used to arrive in the planet, correct?

However, the last stage of the game we descend down a hole all the way to the planet's core.

My question is:

Was this impossibly deep hole caused by the meteor striking the planet, or was It caused by the Mako energy blast that destroyed the Northern Crater?

The one that happened to release the WEAPONS from their Mako confinements.

 

[Dragon Mage]

It's never really defined, but from the distance, we see a huge spray of Mako from the center of the Crater. That spray is probably coming from the hole that was already there. This 'hole' was probably caused by the initial wound made by the asteroid Jenova arrived on.

Think of the Crater as a big bullet hole. The hole is where the blood pools up from the crust of the earth and tries to make a scab over the wound so it can heal. If you were to cut off bloodflow to the wound, it would turn gangrenous and rot. Therefore, a constant flow of blood must be delivered to the wound in order for it to heal -- but in this case, Mako is the blood of the planet.

The Weapons were seen to be sleeping in crystallized Mako surrounding that hole in the Crater. They did not make the hole, but they were sleeping in the "scab" that had formed around it.

At least, logically, that's how it would seem.

 

[Baron Van Wolfen]

See, because to me It seemed that the planet It'self sent that blast of Mako energy to disintegrate the landmass covering the crater, so that the crystalized Weapons would be released.

I think of that because prior to the blast the Crater is completely ground filled, afterwards, all this landmass simply vanished, like It was disintegrated. Along with the whirlwind Maze. And all that was left was that huge hole.

And we know the land didn't fall down the hole.....as It's not completely covered in earth, considering we can descend on It.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Well, all we have is sheer observation to work on. So it can be hard to ascertain what's really going on.

The Weapons were awakened by the Planet, and were buried in thousands of feet of crystallized mako. They all probably released some kind of energy blast to free themselves just as easily. OR the Planet could've given off that energy, as you say.

I think it's more likely that the Weapons freed themselves using megaflare/whathaveyou since it seems unlikely that the Planet would expend a huge amount of energy when it's trying to gather that energy to heal itself so quickly. The Weapons did go to Junon and Midgar and try to destroy them for the simple reason to destroy the Mako reactors that were drawing away strength from the Planet after all.

In that view, I think that hole has always been there, but it was 'opened up' when the Weapons freed themselves from the huge crystalline scab in the Crater. Which is why Cloud and Co. could descend directly into the lifestream and do battle with Jenova and Sephiroth.

The cutscene where the characters are in the Lifestream and Sephiroth has them all suspended in the air? That big bit of rock behind Sephiroth? That's the original asteroid that Jenova came on. That's how far it punched through the earth.

 

[Baron Van Wolfen]

Well, all we have is sheer observation to work on. So it can be hard to ascertain what's really going on.

Yes, but I'd like to try.

The Weapons were awakened by the Planet, and were buried in thousands of feet of crystallized mako. They all probably released some kind of energy blast to free themselves just as easily. OR the Planet could've given off that energy, as you say.

The reason why I think that was an energy blast sent by the planet, is because the WEAPONS were crystalized and probably trying to free themselves. So the planet had to give them some sort of hand in that.

If you look at the blast which blew up the Northern Crater, you'd see It's incredibly simmilar to the Sister Ray's mako blast, which is why I think that was Mako energy.

I think it's more likely that the Weapons freed themselves using megaflare/whathaveyou since it seems unlikely that the Planet would expend a huge amount of energy when it's trying to gather that energy to heal itself so quickly. The Weapons did go to Junon and Midgar and try to destroy them for the simple reason to destroy the Mako reactors that were drawing away strength from the Planet after all.

That's where I'm wondering. The blast was a mako one, the Weapons were shown to not attack with that(Diamond with the flares, Sapphire with radiation, etc), but the planet could very well send of from It's core.

What I think, Is that if the planet was at the verge of another crisis It would just release It's protectors and deal with the healing later.

I mean yea, I think they did go to settlements becasue they sensed "murder" or something fo the like.

In that view, I think that hole has always been there, but it was 'opened up' when the Weapons freed themselves from the huge crystalline scab in the Crater. Which is why Cloud and Co. could descend directly into the lifestream and do battle with Jenova and Sephiroth.

This is where I was trying to get at.

I don't think that hole was always there, I really think the planet It'self opened that huge hole with It's mako energy blast(which came from the core, most obviously) so It could release It's weapon's from confinement, inadvertently opening a hole from the core to the surface.

Don't we see after the blast that huge cyclindrical hole leading to the core? I don't know If it was Jenova's meteor that did that, I really think it was the mako blast, as the planet would save no expenses to awakening the weapons.

The cutscene where the characters are in the Lifestream and Sephiroth has them all suspended in the air? That big bit of rock behind Sephiroth? That's the original asteroid that Jenova came on. That's how far it punched through the earth.

I don't think they were IN the lifestream exactly, they were in the core, so they were probably surrounded by lifestream.

And I don't really know about that one. Wasn't that thing the planet's core, which contained Holy inside of It?

If It was Jenova's meteor, It would've been HUGE but It wasn't that big.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Don't we see after the blast that huge cyclindrical hole leading to the core? I don't know If it was Jenova's meteor that did that, I really think it was the mako blast, as the planet would save no expenses to awakening the weapons.

Actually, that wasn't caused by the Planet. I can tell yo this with 100% percent certainty because they characters earlier on were seen walking down the side of the Crater wall. They are still walking down that hole later on -- all of this takes place within the Crater walls. It's a huge wound. Also, the fact that the crystallized mako was providing 'scab' on the hole, seem to support the theory that the hole wasn't always there but had been caused by Meteor, and the Weapons were watching the meteor that had brought the alien to the Planet in the first place, thus why they were located there.

I don't think they were IN the lifestream exactly, they were in the core, so they were probably surrounded by lifestream.

And I don't really know about that one. Wasn't that thing the planet's core, which contained Holy inside of It?

If It was Jenova's meteor, It would've been HUGE but It wasn't that big.

Nope, that was Meteor. A lot of the meteor's mass would've sublimated in the initial impact, so it wouldn't be that big. Think of it this way, with a real life example.

Irridium is a very rare element found almost exclusively in meteors. The Asteroid Theory (the one about the nuclear winter caused by an asteroid which wiped out the dinosaurs) is supported by the fact that there is a quarter-inch thick layer of irridium all over the world, at about the deposit level of where the dinosaur bones are found. This means that the irridium in the asteroid had been smashed to fine dust and carried on the jet stream all around the world. A quarter inch of it -- everywhere. There wouldn't be much left of the original asteroid after that much damage to it. There'd probably be SOME left, but a very, very, very small piece.

So it's not that difficult to think that the bit of rock you fight Sephiroth on at the very end is what's left of THE Meteor.

 

[Baron Van Wolfen]

Actually, that wasn't caused by the Planet. I can tell yo this with 100% percent certainty because they characters earlier on were seen walking down the side of the Crater wall. They are still walking down that hole later on -- all of this takes place within the Crater walls. It's a huge wound. Also, the fact that the crystallized mako was providing 'scab' on the hole, seem to support the theory that the hole wasn't always there but had been caused by Meteor, and the Weapons were watching the meteor that had brought the alien to the Planet in the first place, thus why they were located there.

But that's exactly It.

The hole was caused by the planet's release of mako energy, which punched from the core to the surface, being the reason Cloud was there, he fell down all the way to the lifestream. It was caused when Sephiroth awakened the Weapons.

After that, when we return to the crater, we descend down to the core by sliding on the walls of the newly formed huge hole.

And I always thought the crystalized mako was there because they likely had sealed Jenova in a geological stratum(ie in mako), and as a by product of creating the weapons(since they are mako constructs).

At the top of the whirlwind maze, Sephiroth's body was being formed and the WEAPONS's faces were looking at him. That probably was the chamber where they unearthed Jenova.

Besides, If that huge hole to the core was there before the blast, how come the surface of the crater is completely filled with land and a mountain in the middle? It just dosen't add up for me.

So it's not that difficult to think that the bit of rock you fight Sephiroth on at the very end is what's left of THE Meteor.

I don't know, I guess I just have a huge problem accepting that a meteor punched to the core of the planet.

Besides, Holy was inside the rock It'self, that is completely impossible, considering Holy existed before meteor.

The way I see It, Meteor's impact produced the crater, but not the hole.

The hole was later produced by the planet's mako energy blast, envisioning the release of It's weapons.

 

[Dragon Mage]

But that's exactly It.

The hole was caused by the planet's release of mako energy, which punched from the core to the surface, being the reason Cloud was there, he fell down all the way to the lifestream. It was caused when Sephiroth awakened the Weapons.

Okay yeah. Sure. Why not? You have just as much proof for your theory as I do for mine. Do we know who is right? No! I really don't see what more you want to get out of this conversation -- I'm honestly puzzled as to where else this discussion can go. We can both speculate endlessly and not convince one another, so is there another question you want to raise?

And I always thought the crystalized mako was there because they likely had sealed Jenova in a geological stratum(ie in mako), and as a by product of creating the weapons(since they are mako constructs).

Geological stratum =/= mako. It means a chasm or fissure of some sort that the Cetra dumped Jenova in. We know that Shinra (who dug up the body in the first place) did not extract Jenova from the mako at the Crater because when Hojo and Co. get to the Crater, they are all shocked and awed by the crystallized mako they see there -- they never saw it before. Therefore, logically, they could not have excavated Jenova from the mako at the Crater.

Besides, Holy was inside the rock It'self, that is completely impossible, considering Holy existed before meteor.

How does Holy have anything to do with the asteroid Jenova came on?

 

[Baron Van Wolfen]

Okay yeah. Sure. Why not? You have just as much proof for your theory as I do for mine. Do we know who is right? No! I really don't see what more you want to get out of this conversation -- I'm honestly puzzled as to where else this discussion can go. We can both speculate endlessly and not convince one another, so is there another question you want to raise?

Yea you're right.

It's just that this compilation's killing me with It's unanwsered questions, as pathethic as they may be.

Sorry for sounding like a bit of a douche.

Geological stratum =/= mako. It means a chasm or fissure of some sort that the Cetra dumped Jenova in. We know that Shinra (who dug up the body in the first place) did not extract Jenova from the mako at the Crater because when Hojo and Co. get to the Crater, they are all shocked and awed by the crystallized mako they see there -- they never saw it before. Therefore, logically, they could not have excavated Jenova from the mako at the Crater.

Very Good point.

How does Holy have anything to do with the asteroid Jenova came on?

Holy was supposedly inside Jenova's meteor, tis why It glowed that faint white/blue.

I always assumed that was just a rock where Holy was encased or "the planet's core/absolute center" as Holy was there.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Yea you're right.

It's just that this compilation's killing me with It's unanwsered questions, as pathethic as they may be.

Sorry for sounding like a bit of a douche.

No worries, you're perfectly okay; I was just wondering if there was another question you had in mind since this one had kinda.... bogged down. Unanswered questions are annoying, I can definitely sympathize. Have no fear, you've not upset me in the slightest. :3

Holy was supposedly inside Jenova's meteor, tis why It glowed that faint white/blue.

I always assumed that was just a rock where Holy was encased or "the planet's core/absolute center" as Holy was there.

Hmm, you may have a point there. But the bits of rock floating around are what's left of the asteroid, or at least bits of the crust made by the impact. Spooky. The red mako bit is probably the Planet's core, I agree.

 

[soldier first class]

I have a pretty simple question that I just can't seem to remember.

So we know that the Northern Crater was a wound caused by the meteor that Jenova used to arrive in the planet, correct?

However, the last stage of the game we descend down a hole all the way to the planet's core.

My question is:

Was this impossibly deep hole caused by the meteor striking the planet, or was It caused by the Mako energy blast that destroyed the Northern Crater?

The one that happened to release the WEAPONS from their Mako confinements.

I'm not sure but I think that meteor from way back when Jenova came is what made it like that. Hell the next question would be how did your party survive the extreme temp. right by the core?