My Thoughts on Life and the Subsequent Death

Yaoi Master Gavin

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This will offend some people. All I ask is that you read it neutrally and if you choose to comment, question the belief itself by asking real questions about what its made of instead of attacking me. I'll probably expand more on it as I have more time and to field serious questions. Because that's what this is, a serious discussion.

And to the furthering of that step, I reserve the right to have those replies that do not intend for serious and neutral discussion be removed.

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Honestly, I can't accept that this is it. That we are just a quirk of nature, that our conscious thought fades away when out lives are done. That the point of life is nothing. But I also can't accept that there is a god. And by god I mean a supreme deity pulling everyone's strings.

So here's a couple of thoughts on just what this life is.

1] What are we? I think we are simply constructs made of flesh. Our bodies wear down and then break down. No repairing them. But what about our conscious minds? What are they?

2] The mind in, in my opinion, a form of energy. It exists, following the Law of Conservation of Energy (refered to as CoE from now on). The human brain is a container for it and over so many years, it has developed for the mind within to more efficiently use the construct.

But if it follows CoE, then what happens to it once this construct is beyond repair?

3] The mind has to still exist, with all of our coherant thoughts still part of it. Our memories, beliefs, it all exists as part of this energy. So where is this energy? Not in the Lifestream. I hope.

4] I have two theories as to where this energy goes. The first is easily offensive. Consider your mind. You're probably of average intelligence, statistically. But you know there are people with higher intelligences. And also people with lower intelligences. Let's also assume that at the beginning of your time in this construct, your mind is a blank slate.

Where does this mind energy come from? The theory is that its a giant melting pot of sorts. What made us individuals is removed from the mind after death and the remainder is added to this pot. Then with the birth of a new construct, a mind is created for the construct. But there is a finite source to cycle. What happens when we begin to overpopulate this plant with constructs, all of them needing a mind?

Mentally retarded children. What would normally constitute a mind has to be taken from everyone else's. One scoop of sugar from everyone's container and everntually you'll create your own. But it's not always enough. So instead of making the minds progressively stupider, we compile all the lack of a mind into one construct, a retarded child, whom the other constructs will hopefully cull before it takes up the resources. Thus we keep with the CoE.

So there's the relation. As overpopulation increases so too do the numbers of the 'special'. This also explains the progressing stupidity of the human race.

Back to the start of this theory. Keeping in mind CoE, what about our individuality, what makes us us? Its been removed from the initial mind energy we started with, but it too has to go somewhere. Here's where the second theory comes in.

5] Keeping in mind what I said above, what if there is an astral plane, a different dimension from our own. Like an overlay of our world almost. The individuality mind energy goes here where it is stored. Stored? Yes. What if there are a number of astral beings on that plane, living a life somewhat semblance to our own. They have each been to this planet, and possibly even others, on multiple occasions to live this sort of life, to become a different sort of individual, like we roleplayers do with our characters (for the most part).

Immortal beings of energy, living many individual lives using the constructs of the worlds, created by the planet itself. Again, it keeps with CoE.

6] Maybe we are all just characters in a role play. Someone is playing me. Someone is playing you. Someone is playing that guy down the street who brings his dog to piss on your front yard every morning and evening. I don't know.

 
Well I respect your right to voice your own theories and opinion. I am augnostic myself and I believe many theories to be possible. However this is seems to be a little bit of an absurd and complex theory based on almost nothing.

I mean honestly who is to say that the mind energy does not just die? It is easily possible that it just dies. And who is to say it really is not a soul that lives within us? Everything is possible, so its good to think outside the box like you are doing, at least your are prepared for something amazing.

I mean what if the energy in of the mind requires the human shell of flesh to be sustained? There is just no way to determine if this energy could survive on its own, or how it would travel through the air. You are saying the energy just waits....for a mind to be born?

With that being said I can not say you are right or wrong, only that its...different. I personally am an advocate of reincarnation as another lifeform. In fact I also have a crazy theory myself consisting of us living the form of every kind of specie in the world ranking from beginning to end by intelligence, and how we lived in our past lives as other things, inluences our mind as a human, which I think could be the final stage.

But I don't hold a lot of belief in this idea, its just a fun thought. Its not like I would BET on it. Your theory here seems wild, and allthough neither of us can be right with complete certainty, I do not think I could get behind this idea of yours.

However thank you for sharing =)
 
It's hard to accept that the lot of us humans are just accidental specks in the universe, and that once we die, we just cease to exist. Our minds are housed within the networks of neurons that make up our brains. when those constructs are broken, so too are the mind or various aspects of our personalities. As far as science goes that's it.

The existence of ghosts, if they're proven to be real, would mean that our consciousness is able to remain in tact without requiring a physical host. There's also the groups of people who believe/practice astral projection, psychics, et al. Whether or not any of it is credible is up for debate, but the point is you're not alone in thinking that we continue on after death without our bodies.

You might want to look into existentialism, it's a field all about the purpose of life and our motives beyond basic survival needs. While it isn't directly connected to the after life, the pursuit of a fulfilling and worldly life now could affect what happens to you after death (again, this is all considering you believe in it).

I've recently started to take an interest in the study of psychics, not for the practices of reading the future or talking to the dead, but to test the limits of our minds and poke and prod what can be done with them. We only use 10% of our mental capacity at any given time, after all...
 
I've recently started to take an interest in the study of psychics, not for the practices of reading the future or talking to the dead, but to test the limits of our minds and poke and prod what can be done with them. We only use 10% of our mental capacity at any given time, after all...

Yes but we use a lot more of our mental capacity when we are sleeping, which to me is absolutely amazing. Considering we are not eating or moving or anything really, however our mind has much more potential in its sleep.

I also subsribe to a theory that one day humans will be able to harness the power of their dreams. Like in "waking life" I think that if humans we able to acknowledge their dreams and record their thoughts during the process we would be able to figure out miracles of modern medicine or science, human nature, and advanced philosophies.

I believe harnessing our dreams is a way for humans to expand their mental powers and actually take use of our own minds in a way that we never acknowledge while awake. I think since we only use 10% of our minds while we are awake and up to 70% while asleep I feel that our next step in advancement could possibly just be inside our own minds in a dream world.
 
I reserve the right to have those replies that do not intend for serious and neutral discussion be removed.
So is that just a different way of saying nobody can disagree or pick apart your ideas or...?

That the point of life is nothing.
The 'point' of life is whatever you want it to be. Unless you need it passed onto you from another being. And even if your idea is correct, there is still no 'point' granted. It doesn't matter if we function entirely biologically or if our mind is a separate chunk - there's still no 'point'.

The human brain is a container for it and over so many years, it has developed for the mind within to more efficiently use the construct.
At what point did our brain develop the capacity to be a container for this energy? What did the energy do before there were receptacles? Are all brains (like a dog's brain) receptacles for this energy? IF our brains contain this energy, why can't we observe it? Is it even observable?

What happens when we begin to overpopulate this plant with constructs, all of them needing a mind? Mentally retarded children. What would normally constitute a mind has to be taken from everyone else's. . . . So instead of making the minds progressively stupider, we compile all the lack of a mind into one construct, a retarded child
Then why have mentally retarded people always existed? And we can observe what biological changes and mutations cause various forms of mental retardation; and that's entirely physical, observable evidence.

whom the other constructs will hopefully cull before it takes up the resources.
This presupposes some type of thought or planning put in by a natural (albeit odd, soul-energy thing) phenomena.

This also explains the progressing stupidity of the human race.
If we were getting dumber, why are we able to continually improve and innovate with technology? Why do we keep making larger and larger scientific advancements? Why is there a rising number of Atheists (zing!)?

what about our individuality, what makes us us? Its been removed from the initial mind energy we started with, but it too has to go somewhere.
So... individuality is also apart from the soul-energy stuff? Then what is it? You're talking about an intangible concept as if it is a physical object. That's like saying "Where does our love go?"

Immortal beings of energy, living many individual lives using the constructs of the worlds, created by the planet itself. Again, it keeps with CoE.
If they're immortal, then where does all of this new soul-energy/individuality used to fill new human vessels come from? You have an unlimited number of people (over time) dying, and all of them living forever in another world (meaning they aren't reincarnated into something else), so where does all of this energy keep coming from? It doesn't keep with conservation of energy.

Maybe we are all just characters in a role play . . . I don't know.
I think therefore I am.

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We only use 10% of our mental capacity at any given time, after all...
No. No we don't. Our brains are a lot like the muscles in our body. Certain parts are used for certain tasks. If we are not engaged in that task, we don't use that part of the brain. Complex tasks use more of the brain than others, just like how moving your mouse uses a tiny amount of muscles compared to sprinting or jumping jacks. But we use 100% of our brains, just like we use 100% of our muscles.

This 10% thing is a myth founded in an argument from ignorance. All of the brain is used in various tasks, there is no 'unused' portion. It's just not all active at once.


Yes but we use a lot more of our mental capacity when we are sleeping, which to me is absolutely amazing.
This only occurs in REM sleep, and we don't know why it happens. But it's not limited to your brain. Your heart rate, temperature, and breathing are irregular, like when you're awake, and your eyes move (Rapid Eye Movement sleep). Your body is also repeatedly sexually aroused during this phase.

This indicates it is a physical phenomena. The existence of a dualistic mind-body relationship isn't really necessary. Hell, modern psychology even rejects the old dualistic model. It doesn't mesh very well with what we know about the brain and body. Everything seems to point to biological determinism. We have been able to observe someone's brain as they make a simple choice to press one of two buttons - and through this observation we can determine which one they'll press several seconds beforehand! Things like clinical or seasonal depression are tied directly to various physical phenomena.

I suppose the point I'm making is that a dualistic interpretation of our models isn't just nonsensical (in my opinion), it contradicts every observation we have of the relationship between mind and body (that is, that they're the same thing).


I also subsribe to a theory that one day humans will be able to harness the power of their dreams. Like in "waking life" I think that if humans we able to acknowledge their dreams and record their thoughts during the process we would be able to figure out miracles of modern medicine or science, human nature, and advanced philosophies.
We can already do this. It's called lucid dreaming. You can sometimes train yourself to do it, but some people do it naturally (all of my dreams are lucid, actually).

Your brain never sleeps. That's why writers and mathematicians and other individuals who are constantly thinking about certain subjects will get epiphanies in the middle of the night.
 
What's wrong with being a quirk of nature? I like that out of the billions^billions of possibilities, we happened to occur.

There is nothing in biology that suggests there is an 'energy' that powers humans, a soul if you will. The brain is effectively a series of receptors that transmit and receive small electrical pulses around pathways. Theoretically a mechanical one could be constructed but considering there is approx. the same amount of nerve endings in a brain as there are leaves in the Amazon rainforest, it'd be tricky

Bodies degenerate and die as telomerase degrades in the body that's basically what ageing is. When the brain activity ceases that means no more pulses are being fired that is all, memories are not stored in energy. From what I remember scientists aren't really too sure what memories are, they're not too solid on dreams either.

One of my lecturers last year actually made some interesting pints comparing a dead brain to a computer with no power supply. And whether or not if a brain could be 'powered up' again would it still contain the same memories it had pre-mortem. Assuming the brain was preserved ofc
 


Where does this mind energy come from? The theory is that its a giant melting pot of sorts. What made us individuals is removed from the mind after death and the remainder is added to this pot. Then with the birth of a new construct, a mind is created for the construct. But there is a finite source to cycle. What happens when we begin to overpopulate this plant with constructs, all of them needing a mind?

Mentally retarded children. What would normally constitute a mind has to be taken from everyone else's. One scoop of sugar from everyone's container and everntually you'll create your own. But it's not always enough. So instead of making the minds progressively stupider, we compile all the lack of a mind into one construct, a retarded child, whom the other constructs will hopefully cull before it takes up the resources. Thus we keep with the CoE.

So there's the relation. As overpopulation increases so too do the numbers of the 'special'. This also explains the progressing stupidity of the human race.


This is extremely highly unlikely. You do not become mentally retarded because of your 'mind'. Most of these defects are due to genetic errors. Some are not even mutations, but disjunction/error in chromosome separation during gamete formation in parents. This occurs in Down Syndrome, where the offspring inherit 47 chromosomes, with an extra chromosome due to abnormal number of chromosomes in one of the parents' gametes. This is almost purely chance event. Other 'mentally retarded' diseases work in similar ways.

Besides, intelligence is mostly influenced by the environment. If you are taught by a good teacher, you are likely to be more intelligent. If your parents educate you well, you are likely to be intelligent. If you live in a country with good education system, the society is likely to be intelligent.

Another reason for the difference in general intelligence in the population is genetic variation. It is also almost purely by chance. There's little we can do about it, but get ourselves to improve in intelligence through the most suitable environment we can be in.

Now, about the 'mind' issue. I am not too informed about neurology, but humans have not completely understood the human brain. One day there are two significant outcomes, which I believe, will result from brain research:
1.) they have confirmed 100% that the brain (neurones) itself is not capable of mind power that we possess. Some spiritual/mysterious higher power is present.
2.) they confirm that the brain is actually a super-organ that can do everything. Our 'mind' is completely controlled by our brains. emotions, decisions, thoughts... everything is controlled by the brain.

Now your theory may be possible if it's outcome number 1. I also happen to believe in outcome 1, because I believe in God. Therefore, what I believe that truly controls us is the soul. But I do not believe these souls get recycled. They just move on to an unknown higher existence and will most likely not come back. It's my own personal belief anyway.

Now I have this feeling that you are basing this theory on FFVII's lifestream? As much as it is an interesting and fantastic theory, we should not really base serious discussions on fiction. I am sorry if my guess is wrong.
 
The problem with this whole idea is that there is no evidence to support it. It seems like pointless speculation no different from any other of the similar ideas I've seen.
The proper way to do things is first you go look if there is a 'soul' (through tests that are objective on the subject) then you look at the qualities of this 'soul' and from there follow the evidence to create a theory.
 
My theory:

Once I'll decease, my ass probably get's incinerated. That, or buried in fertile soil where maggots, worms and other cute little manifestations of life will eat my dead ass up.


I am willing to amend and revise this theory once evidence of anything else happening is presented :)

No use dwelling on it, make the best of what is and that's that.
 
No. No we don't. Our brains are a lot like the muscles in our body. Certain parts are used for certain tasks. If we are not engaged in that task, we don't use that part of the brain. Complex tasks use more of the brain than others, just like how moving your mouse uses a tiny amount of muscles compared to sprinting or jumping jacks. But we use 100% of our brains, just like we use 100% of our muscles.

This 10% thing is a myth founded in an argument from ignorance. All of the brain is used in various tasks, there is no 'unused' portion. It's just not all active at once.
I'll look into it; that does make more sense than what I had thought prior. I've had lucid dreams before, but they are rare.

EDIT: though, re-reading your post, it still means we only use a portion of our brain at any one time.
 
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I don't think I gave a very good or in fact interesting reply last time, I will rectify that now.

1] Well we have actually made a lot of headway in what causes the human body to break down with age. I assume you mean age anyways, because the human body repairs itself phenomenally well from injury and sickness. Telomeres are DNA sequences that 'cap' your chromosomes and stops chromosomal fusing and losing base pairs. Eventually though they get shorter and break down due to cell division, which is what causes the cell to age. Researchers have made a lot of advances in reversing ageing by playing around with them

2] Well this is just an arbitrary conclusion of yours that has no scientific backing, so there's not much point addressing it

3] It does not have to still exist, there is an idea that our brains might still contain all the information they have gathered. There has been no real research into this as far as I know.

4] Well this is just silly, for a number of reasons. We know exactly what causes mentally handicapped people, there are multiple syndromes etc. The most common(Down Syndrome) is caused by an extra chromosome(#21 I think, but I am not sure). If this was simply due to not receiving enough 'mind energy' then why would they all have this scientifically backed symptom/cause?

It would also mean, that if we have a finite amount of 'mental energy sugar', that one of two things would probably happen. There would be an rapid increase in people with mental handicaps, which has not occurred. Then after a few years there would be equal numbers of people with and without handicaps. Until eventually there's far more handicapped people. This has not been happening


Or humanity as a whole would slowly be getting dumber, as we spread the 'sugar' out between all of us. I know people say 'oh the MTV generation are thick cunts', but global IQ is always increasing, this is a documented fact. So yeah...

5 + 6] There is no point touching these


The Brain thing is easy to understand, just imagine it like your body. When you are sitting at the computer typing, you are only using a select few muscles. The majority of your muscles will be doing nothing and are at rest. Your brain is the same, different areas of it control different tasks and processes
 
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