Adolf Hitler

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I can certainly say that this thread is sure to be my most controversial yet. Currently studying Germany between 1918-39, our History class has learned much about Hitler, the Nazi's, the SS, the SA, the Gestapo and other such groups. Our teacher asked a question, expecting an obvious answer, but what he got back was a full period of discussion on Hitler.

The question:
"Was Adolf Hitler a bad man?"

Despite how simple the question may be, you would be surprised as to how many people voted for Hitler being a good leader. Before people start hating me, let me explain.

After the War, Germany was in a state of Economic Depression. The Treaty of Versailles, nevermind the war, left her weak and powerless. After many, many attempts to comply with Democracy, it was clear to the people of Germany that Democracy was failing. What Germany needed was a strong leader, one who would take her out of the depression.

The basic concept of the argument was that Hitler was either:
-A power-hungry dictator who wanted nothing more than total domination with his Aryan Race.
-A man who simply wanted to restore Germany's pride, power and place with the other countries of the World.

There is no doubt to the fact that Hitler commited crimes far worse than death, but I ask the question to you all:

"Was Adolf Hitler a bad man?"
 
'kin 'ell Riku, I'm not even going to bother answering that with a debate, Yes he was a bad man.

But if no one else will debate, I will for the sheer hell of it.
 
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According to a lot of people's standards, Hitler was an atrocious man, but I however believe that he had an outstanding drive for accomplishment.

I'm not supporting his cause to kill 39248930 Jews, because I think I acually...might be Jewish...not religiously, but genetically...o_O

He was certainly a fanatic...but he did what he wanted to do with his life, an no one; no one stopped him. Powerful dictator if you ask me, and a great speaker...
 
He had immense power, and he used it for bad. Yes he was a bad man. What he thought was right, was in fact wrong if you sit down and actually think about it.
 
*cracks knuckles*
Okay then.

Hitler was an evil man, an EVIL man. You all know of the holocaust and the "6 million Jews killed" when that's the minimum of how many actually got killed.
He brainwashed the youth of germany into hating Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Disabled etc. He almost wiped the Jews out.

Now I am not denying the way he did it wasn't stupid, it was clever, he got into power, and people voted for him but only because of the Wall Street Crash had that not happened the rule Stresseman set up for Germany would have continued and the Nazis would have gotten nowhere.

I agree, Hitler did get Germany out of Economic Depression, but only by ignoring the Treaty of Versailles and the World War 1 Reparations, doesn't take a genius to do that. You say he helped the German people, I suppose that's all well and good for them. Helping out one group of people (The "master race") while trying to remove the rest is fine, it balances out, obiviously......no, that's not how it works? Of course it isn't. Just because he saved some people from Economic depression, it doesn't make him any better for what he did to the other people.
 
What's right and wrong is a matter of opinion though.
I believe Jewish people are forbidden from eating pig meat...
How many people in the world eat pig meat?

Hitler obviously had it in his mind that he was doing the right thing for the world. I think it was his conception that it was his duty in life to bring the Aryan race into power...

I haven't read his book, but I bought it quite recently, and I've been waiting for a chance to sit down with it. =P
 
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What's right and wrong is a matter of opinion though.
I believe Jewish people are forbidden from eating pig meat...
How many people in the world eat pig meat?

Hitler obviously had it in his mind that he was doing the right thing for the world. I think it was his conception that it was his duty in life to bring the Aryan race into power...

I haven't read his book, but I bought it quite recently, and I've been waiting for a chance to sit down with it. =P
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Comparing eating Pigs Meat to massacring Millions of innocent people, doesn't work out I'm afraid.

Also I'm told Mein Kampf involves alot of Hitler moaning about his "Struggle" and basically saying Jews were Evil.
 
ok im going to try and explain this in the way we're told to in my GSCE history class

Hitler was - at first - a very good thing for germany, he employed people, made new roads, builidngs, etc.

in general Hitler helped Germany Florish and grow stronger - but this in turn allowed and enabled him to do all the evil things he did. after his reighn was established he began persecueting the jews and people who wer'nt part of his "perfect" aryan race.

So i have to say that although not Everything Hitler did was bad he was certainly a Evil man who used war and his own power as an excuse to attempt to wipe out an entire race of people and try to take over the world.

So Hitler will be forever condemned in history as Evil.

*you'd never guess im averaging an A in History :lol: i have to do a whole project on nazi germany too so......*
 
That's not the point I was trying to get across.
What's right and wrong is a matter of opinion.
I'm not saying it was a good idea to start a massacre against a specific race of people...In fact...what's done is done...what the Jews supposedly did to Jesus happened nearly two centuries ago...and Hitler's slaughterfest didn't do anything but put fear into people's hearts...
I can understand why he was so butt-hurt about what happened 2000 years ago, but...he should have stopped and evaluated the situation and realized that he couldn't change the past...
 
You're right... Right and wrong is indeed an opinion. But honestly... Sit down, and convince yourself that killing people is right. Right and wrong is entirely an opinion, but sometimes it's just too far.
 
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That's not the point I was trying to get across.
What's right and wrong is a matter of opinion.
I'm not saying it was a good idea to start a massacre against a specific race of people...In fact...what's done is done...what the Jews supposedly did to Jesus happened nearly two centuries ago...and Hitler's slaughterfest didn't do anything but put fear into people's hearts...
I can understand why he was so butt-hurt about what happened 2000 years ago, but...he should have stopped and evaluated the situation and realized that he couldn't change the past...
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And tear families apart, cause mass death, almost completely wiped out an entire group of people for believing in a certain religion, including Jehovahs Witnesses as it wasn't only Jews who suffered at his hand, I think you'll find it was more than Fear.

Anyway the majority of sane people believe it is wrong, besides the Jews killing jesus 2000 years ago was just one of the reasons really, another was when Hitler was living on the streets after being rejected from Art College and seeing Jewish people with Riches and he had nothing to call his own. Also they posed as a good scape-goat to help him into power.
 
Rhea said:
He was certainly a fanatic...but he did what he wanted to do with his life, an no one; no one stopped him. Powerful dictator if you ask me, and a great speaker...
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No one COULD stop him - he took away basic rights, such as free thought/expression of opinion, he killed/arrested anyone who spoke against the Nazi's or himself. Block leaders reported back to Hitler and, eventually, there was no one left to trust in Germany, not even your spouse.

Rhea said:
I haven't read his book, but I bought it quite recently, and I've been waiting for a chance to sit down with it. =P
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How interesting :O Maybe you could translate some quotes and use them here? :P

Finnegan III said:
Comparing eating Pigs Meat to massacring Millions of innocent people, doesn't work out I'm afraid.

Also I'm told Mein Kampf involves alot of Hitler moaning about his "Struggle" and basically saying Jews were Evil.
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Mein Kampf = My Struggle ... so, aye :P
 
He was about 45% evil

Adolf Hitler (April 20, 1889—April 30, 1945) was Chancellor of Germany from 1933, and Führer (Leader) of Germany from 1934 until his death. He was leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP), better known as the Nazi Party.

Hitler gained power in a Germany facing crisis after World War I. Using propaganda and charismatic oratory, he was able to appeal to the economic need of the lower and middle classes, while sounding resonant chords of nationalism, anti-Semitism and anti-communism. With the establishment of a restructured economy, a rearmed military, and a totalitarian and fascist regime, Hitler pursued an aggressive foreign policy with the intention of expanding German Lebensraum ("living space"), which triggered World War II when Germany annexed Austria, the Czech lands, and invaded Poland, much of which was also annexed to form the "Greater German Reich" (Großdeutsches Reich).

At their greatest extent, Nazi Germany and the Axis Powers occupied most of Europe, but were eventually defeated by the Allies. By the end of the war, Hitler's racial policies had culminated in the killing of approximately 11 million people, including the genocide of some 6 million Jews, in what is now known as the Holocaust. In total, the war in Europe cost approximately 45 million people their lives.

In the final days of the war, Hitler, along with his new wife, Eva Braun, committed suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin, as the city was being overrun by the Red Army of the Soviet Union.
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Fhew, Everyone that participates in a war is evil.

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki involved a nuclear attack during World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States. On August 6, 1945, the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, followed three days later by the detonation of the "Fat Man" bomb over Nagasaki.

In estimating the death toll from the attacks, there are several factors that make it difficult to arrive at reliable figures: inadequacies in the records given the confusion of the times, the many victims who died months or years after the bombing as a result of radiation exposure, and the pressure to either exaggerate or minimize the numbers, depending upon political agenda. That said, it is estimated that as many as 140,000 had died in Hiroshima by the bomb and its associated effects, with the estimate for Nagasaki roughly 74,000. In both cities, the overwhelming majority of the deaths were those of civilians.
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Does killing over 200,000 innocent people makes the USA evil? Sure it does

One interesting thing you may want to know about Hitler:

Adolf Hitler was brought up in his family's religion by his Roman Catholic parents, but as a school boy he began to reject the Church and Catholicism. After he had left home, he never attended Mass or received the Sacraments.

In later life, Hitler's religious beliefs present a discrepant picture: In public statements, he frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and belief in Christ. Hitler’s private statements, reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but also critical of Christianity. However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and ridiculed such beliefs in his book Mein Kampf. Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.

Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization. Whether his anti-semitism was influenced by older Christian ideas remains disputed.

Among Christian denominations, Hitler favoured Protestantism, which was more open to such reinterpretations. At the same time, he made use of some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organisation, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.
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He was Christian, Holy Cow! I didn’t know that before today, that’s an example of how people always twist the words in the bible and do their own interpretation to fit their purposes.

EDIT: Uhm I just realized that the thread starter is Riku, what's up with the change of image man?
 
Riku and his debates. :P

Ok, here's my thing. The only good I see in Hitler is his dramatic speech. Clearly, the man can deliver a message and that's what makes him powerful. He used his oratory skills to oppress the Jews, and that, in my opinion, is immoral.

However, some of you might disagree with me because of the fact that it is debatable whether anyone ever thinks that what they are doing is right or wrong. I mean, in Hitler's case, he probably thinks that what he is doing is right! But, does that necessarily make him right in the eyes of humanity as a whole?

Think of it this way. We all have experienced hate in our lives. We understand it. Sometimes, we even live it. But do we actually go that far as what Hitler did? Is it extremely necessary? No, of course not. Hitler hated the Jew and killed many innocent Jews because of his hatred. That to me, is unacceptable.

Hmm, one more thing.

Genocide. Anyone care to elaborate on this one? :) I'll post my opinions later.




 
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