Abortion - your views.

[Apparent Amarant]

I suppose you could say I was pro-abortion. If a woman doesn't want her child, then she should be allowed to get rid of it. Why not? I don't believe it has any rights until it leaves her womb, so it should not be thought of as alive or even human until it becomes an independant creature in its own right. Of course, the point that those who don't want children should use contraception can be brought up, and I agree with it, but things happen. The stupidity of humans in lust often disregards things like that. Of course, they all know that they can rely on aborting any children they may accidently have that they don't want, so perhaps denying them that right would encourage them to act more sensibly...although I highly doubt it. More like there will be a massive increase in unwanted, abused and neglected children.

In fact, I believe abortion should be forced upon those who are financially or emotionally incapable of taking care of children. That, or they should be forced to give up their children once they are born. Some people may believe that a life of misery is better than no life at all, but I disagree with that. It is far more inhuman to bring a child into the world when you have no real intention of caring for it properly, or you are incapable of doing so. By "incapable", I mean that a standard should be set by the government - its about time those in charge actually started doing something productive, as opposed to just declaring war on whatever country their finger happens to stab whilst they're perusing a world map - and people should be judged against that on a case by case basis. A good (or at least acceptable) quality of life, or no life at all. Its that simple, in my opinion.

Well the fact of the matter is whether you think it should be thought of as alive or not it is. You can't change fact with your opinion. It's a living organism.

I was a neglected child, and by neglected I mean from the ages of 10-19 I lived almost completely by myself without having a parent around for more then one night a week. After my parents got divorced and one of them got custody they basically abandoned me as if they had only gotten custody to hurt the other. They did not buy food for the house, and didn't know if I was passing or failing school or even if I advanced grades or not.

I can assure you that a neglected life is better then not existing. Are you more afraid of being neglected? Or are you more afraid of dying? As someone who suffered pretty severe neglect I promise you life is better.

The idea of forcing an abortion on someone is flat out DISGUSTING and completely reprehensible. I mean that's just fucking terrible. If flaming were allowed I'd flame the shit out of you for such an awful idea.

I really can't imagine any sane, intelligent human being who has actually stopped and pondered life's inner workings could ever come to the conclusion that an abortion should be forced because someone isn't financially capable of raising the child. In all honesty that's just stupid. Just plain stupid. There is plenty of financial aid and there are plenty of alternatives to the child growing up depraved.

 

[Martel]

Well the fact of the matter is whether you think it should be thought of as alive or not it is. You can't change fact with your opinion. It's a living organism.

I was a neglected child, and by neglected I mean from the ages of 10-19 I lived almost completely by myself without having a parent around for more then one night a week. After my parents got divorced and one of them got custody they basically abandoned me as if they had only gotten custody to hurt the other. They did not buy food for the house, and didn't know if I was passing or failing school or even if I advanced grades or not.

I can assure you that a neglected life is better then not existing. Are you more afraid of being neglected? Or are you more afraid of dying? As someone who suffered pretty severe neglect I promise you life is better.

The idea of forcing an abortion on someone is flat out DISGUSTING and completely reprehensible. I mean that's just fucking terrible. If flaming were allowed I'd flame the shit out of you for such an awful idea.

I really can't imagine any sane, intelligent human being who has actually stopped and pondered life's inner workings could ever come to the conclusion that an abortion should be forced because someone isn't financially capable of raising the child. In all honesty that's just stupid. Just plain stupid. There is plenty of financial aid and there are plenty of alternatives to the child growing up depraved.

"Fact" is nothing more than commonly held opinion. The "fact" of the matter, if you like such black-and-white thinking, is that unborn children do not have any legal rights until they leave the womb, so for all intents and purposes they AREN'T human beings. They don't matter. What DOES matter is whether they can be taken care of when they become a legal personality, and whether the mother actually wants the child in the first place.

And I can assure you that your opinion is NOT absolute, and that it depends entirely upon the circumstances and the individual as to whether not existing would be preferable. I am perhaps more pessimistic and cynical than you, because I was neglected as a child as well and I believe that it would be better not to exist than to go through what I went through. I imagine we're simply going to have to agree to disagree on that point, because you obviously place a higher value on life than I do (although that isn't saying much) and I doubt either of us will budge.

You would flame me if you were able simply because I do not agree with your opinion? How narrow-minded. You can't be particularly "pro-life" if you think it is acceptable for children to be abused and neglected, when this could have been avoided if they were not brought into the world in the first place. What sort of life is that? Children aren't toys to be tossed aside at the whim of the parent, they are supposed to be nurtured and cared for. If they are not going to be properly looked after, then they should be gotten rid of BEFORE they develop and become human beings with rights.

Well, excuse me for not complying with your opinions.
If these alternatives exist, then why are children still suffering in the world? If you perhaps stopped to think yourself, you would notice even with this support that the world isn't as rosy-pink as you would like to think it is. Even with these things available, children ARE "growing up depraved" and something needs to be done about it. The most logical answer is to avoid the entire issue in the first place. Hell knows this planet is overpopulated as is. I think it would be preferable to stop children from coming into the world in the first place. That does not make me either insane or stupid. It simply means I have an alternative perspective. Don't like it? Tough.

 

[Apparent Amarant]

It amazes me how pro-lifers dont stop to think about thew WOMAN who will be carrying the baby, what about HER life? How that will be affected? the stresses on her body, her emotional state? How it can alter your physical appearance forever

Its liek, as soon as a woman becomes pregnant, her as a person, her thoughts and feelings become irrelevent The WOMANS needs and rights come before that of any unborn baby she may be carrying

And before you start Im a mother, a single mother at that and I KNOW how hard it is. I won't be having any more children, and I will take every precaution to never get pregnant again, but if there was a freak accident with my contraception (not that Im getting any anyway, but that's beside the point) I honestly do NOT think I could carry on with the pregnancy. Call me selfish if you will but MY needs come first. I need to provide for the child I already have, never mind making life harder for all concerned by bringing another mouth to feed into the world. Her quality of life is FAR more important than something that isnt born yet

And no, I wouldn't put myself through a pregnancy just to put it up for adoption either. It's not like I'm casting a baby to the trash like some sick fucks do. I'm getting rid of something that has no thoughts or feelings that early on doesnt feel pain either.

Also, what gives anyone the right to tell a woman what to do with her body, pro-life or not? It's NO one elses concern bar the woman involved and to a lesser extent the man involved also.



I honestly don't think they'd give a rats arse about your thoughts on the matter tbqh, 'oh thanks for not thinking any less of me for getting an abortion because I was sexually abused?' It's just....sad. Really sad when people think a woman should carry on with a pregnacy against her wishes.... ESPECIALLY in a case such as sexual abuse.

Edit* I fucking hate this thread, I promised I'd never ever look at it again, and here I am again

Ive stayed out of it for months as well

I understand what you are saying about sexually abused women, and obviously I know they dont care what I think about it. I wouldn't expect them to. I was trying to express my full view on the subject and that part is relevant to express that. So hey whatever if you feel the need to throw in some useless jabs go for it.

If the woman was careful and it still happened I guess that's another situation that could be acceptable. I just think abortion as a form of birth control is terrible not to mention gross.

To the the underlined statement If it's a woman's right to choose and no one else's it's pretty fucking stupid that they try to hold men financially responsible when they don't have any say in the matter which is the way the law is in the States right now. So things like the "dead-beat dad act" are pretty messed up and the way the law is right now is flat out sexist So while I respect single mothers very much for undertaking their difficult tasks, I have to feel no sympathy for the ones who get no help from the father who didn't want the child because after all it was their choice alone.

Bambi in my opinion forcing someone to have an abortion is worse then forcing them to carry child. Now that the obvious is out of the way. Pro-life viewpoint aside I would wager(and there is no known evidence but I doubt many will disagree) that forcing an abortion would have more severe of a psychological toll then forcing someone to carry. Also it hurts two separate life-forms instead of one.


Lymle Lemuri Phi you are right. You have the right to your opinion Sorry for offending you. I am sorry that you wish you didn't exist. That is terrible for you. If you like to read I would suggest "Man's Search for Meaning". The beginning is kind of slow, but it's written by the psychologist who founded Logotherapy, and it's really good. It starts off slow, but the last half (the psychology part) is really great at helping explain suffering, and the attitude one can have towards it. It's only about 150 pagesish.
I don't know what you went through and I'm sorry for you.

Actually I suggest the book to anyone the first half is the authors real life experience in Nazi camps and the psychological stages prisoners went through. It's not a new book.

 

[Martel]

Lymle Lemuri Phi you are right. You have the right to your opinion Sorry for offending you. I am sorry that you wish you didn't exist. That is terrible for you. If you like to read I would suggest "Man's Search for Meaning". The beginning is kind of slow, but it's written by the psychologist who founded Logotherapy, and it's really good. It starts off slow, but the last half (the psychology part) is really great at helping explain suffering, and the attitude one can have towards it. It's only about 150 pagesish.
I don't know what you went through and I'm sorry for you.

Actually I suggest the book to anyone the first half is the authors real life experience in Nazi camps and the psychological stages prisoners went through. It's not a new book.

Not to worry, and I apologise also for biting back the way I did - you're entitled to your opinion as well. It goes both ways, no?

Well, like I said, it depends on the individual. Although that aside, there really is no excuse for child abuse in the first place, whether you can cope with it when you're older or not. What matters, in my opinion, is the present, and at that present time the child will be suffering, and it is just absolutely unforgiveable. If there is ANY chance that a mother would abuse her child, she should not be allowed to have that child. Not only because it is unfair on the child, but because it encourages that kind of behaviour, as well. Since we're discussing abortion, the psychological state of the father isn't really relevant to the debate (and I definetely don't think a mother should be forced to abort her baby just because the father is psychologically inbalanced) so I'll avoid that area other than saying it shouldn't impact whether the mother has an abortion or not.

...for the record, however, I have no particular bother about my life at the moment. Been through enough crap to last me a few years, and I sure as hell am not going to allow my past to control my life to the point where I'd want to erase my existence. I'm not particularly suicidal anymore...if I ever was to begin with. Just in case you wanted to know~

Anyways, back on topic, I suppose the main reason I think some sort of control over who should be allowed to have children and who shouldn't is because I just think it is so unbelievably selfish of people who KNOW they can't cope with or support a child to have one anyway, for the benefits, through their own whim, or whatever. It REALLY pisses me off. Its absolutely disgusting. As I've said, children are supposed to be cared for, they aren't new toys to be kept for a few years and then just tossed aside at whim.

Just sticking those kids in for adoption isn't fair on them, either - I can only speculate, since I was not put in a care home, but knowing that your parents didn't want you or that you were too much of an inconvenience to be kept (word it however you want, that is what it boils down to) must not be a nice thing to grow up knowing. If children are just going to wind up in adoption, they should not be brought into this world in the first place.

I'm also going to make the point that social services as they are right now are inadequate for this task. They might help a lot of children, but they don't help them all. Prevention, as they say, is better than cure. Stopping it before it happens is a much better way to go, in my opinion.

My somewhat pro-abortion stance is mostly because I have strong feelings regarding child neglect and abuse, but I think the mother's rights should come before her unborn child's, as well. If she didn't want a child and didn't use contraception, she should be allowed to abort her child but I think that some sort of penalty should be involved if it happens regularly, because that is just blatant idiocy in my opinion. If she DOES want the child, then she needs to be able to support it both emotionally and financially. I'm not even going to attempt to outline the setting of a psychological standard, because a) I'm not a psychiatrist, and b) its an idea that would require a lot of study to get done correctly, and with the support available, I don't think the financial aspect should be a problem.

Of course, my idea would be somewhat difficult to implement in the real world, since people have rights and forcing them to do something is difficult to justify and I doubt new legislation forcing abortions on those who would not be able to care for the child properly would not be received particularly well, but...eh. I'm not a politician. I'm only sharing my opinion on the subject.

...and I think I'm about done now. Sorry for the essay. XD

 

[.Ted]

Here's how I look at this topic. Here goes.

I can see how some politicians would be against it. Some have religious beliefs that would forbid them to pass such a thing. Heck, even Catholics don't want to get involved in politics, especially when it come to abortion. They pretty much believe what most politicians and religious believe what abortion is, but they don't get involved in politics often, so that's one way we're different.

Here's how I look at it: Leave it alone. Are YOU going to take care of the fetuses that are saved? Probably not. Are YOU going to feed the babies once they are born? Maybe, if you are willing. Are YOU going to raise the kids and make sure they get an education? Maybe not, considering the illiteracy rate in this country. If you don't know where I'm going with this, I might as well state my point.

No one is going to do anything about the babies that are saved. "Hey, at least we saved a life. Good job, everybody." Wrong way of thinking. I'm not saying this is you, just the type of people who care about saving a life but not helping maintain it.

The baby is not even yours. And what about the woman? What if she's not ready to care for the kid so she kills him/her when the baby is crying loudly and non-stop? The people who fought for stopping abortion would probably protest and send her to jail. And no one but the protesters ends up happy.

My point. Is abortion wrong? Hell yes. But, like my Government teacher once said, and it was just his opinion, that the decision of ending a baby's life should be up to the woman bearing it. Not the government's. Feel free to disagreewith me because this is,after all, a debate topic. Right?

 

[.Dove]

Abortion is split in 2 sides...like:
1.the religion part[people just think that is wrong to kill the baby still unborn] and that turns u into a murdered...and everyone will point a finger at you..
2.you[the mother of the child]-it's her decision to make or not the abortion,still if she is young she thinks that her life is over and stuff like that.[you shoul've used a dam condom! not regretting it later...] and I think that abortion is a good thing..but it also brings many suffering after and such things...regrets most of them!

 

[FinalHeart]

I'm pro-choice. Even though I don't like that term, because it's obviously slanted to make us look better. How about just pro-abortion and anti-abortion? Not pro-choice and pro-life, that's bull.

Still, I believe that people have a right to choose, at least until the baby is officially alive. There is a window (I forget how long) where the baby isn't alive. After that point, then it would be considered murder because you are killing a living thing. Until then, I disagree with the whole "taking away a chance at life" argument. That would mean that wearing a condom would be murder, masturbation would be murder, hell, turning a guy down at a bar would be murder. Those were all chances to make a living baby, but it didn't happen because of things people don't have a problem with.

That's just my view though.

 

[The Witch]

I myself am pro choice. But there's a boundary...
And before anybody says anything to me, my opinion is based solely on that of it's a living thing. It has nothing to do with religion or politics....


It really depends on how far a long a woman is when she's planing on getting an abortion. But when it gets to 14 weeks it's murder.

At 14 weeks the baby will have; fingerprints, and can make voluntary movements,

And THIS is what the baby looks like when a woman decides to have an abortion at 14 weeks;

And in the US most abortions are performed during the first 14 weeks. That's that little baby up there.
And if someone aborts a baby at that time and age, it's murder. That's all it is. Murder.


But I happen to believe if it's the first couple of weeks you still have a choice. But not at 14 weeks. That's disgusting.

I agree with people needing to be more careful though, it IS disgusting that there ARE people who use abortion as a form of birth control. It isn't hard to get yourself protected, there are so many methods, people that do that repeatedly should be made to use some form of contraception, like the implant, the injection, coil... something they dont have to remember to take (bloody sterilisation)

This is just one of them topics that people just need to agree to disagree

That's true.

 

[.Ted]

I myself am pro choice. But there's a boundary...
And before anybody says anything to me, my opinion is based solely on that of it's a living thing. It has nothing to do with religion or politics....


It really depends on how far a long a woman is when she's planing on getting an abortion. But when it gets to 14 weeks it's murder.

At 14 weeks the baby will have; fingerprints, and can make voluntary movements.

And if someone aborts a baby at that time and age, it's murder. That's all it is. Murder.


But I happen to believe if it's the first couple of weeks you still have a choice. But not at 14 weeks. That's disgusting.

Graphic, but true.

I agree with everything both you and FinalHeart have stated. Your points are almost similar to each other. It would be murder waiting too long to have an abortion. Once the baby is officially alive, the woman bearing it has waited too long.

Like I said before, or at least implied, that politicians shouldn't make laws that forbid abortion. I just don't see why they have to be involved. It's not their baby, right? Nothing will happen to them whether that baby lives or dies. The choice has always been and should always belong to the woman.

And this is another way I look at it. Let's say 19 years ago my mother decided to have an abortion (with me inside her), but people who should probably mind their own business end up fighting to keep me alive. They win, my mom loses, I get to live, yadda yadda yadda....

And let's say that 19 years later, my mom fought hard by herself to raise me and maintain my life with no help at all. I wouldn't want any of those people pointing me out on the street and screaming out loud "Hey, I saved his life." One way to get attention and becoming a "hero".

That's just a hypothetical situation or whatever it's called, but you know what I mean. And to all of those who go on and on that a law should be made to prevent abortion, period. If you fight to save a life, also fight to maintain it, damn it. I know how people are, and chances are most will just fight to save a life and consider themselves heroes. It's hard to save a life, but it's harder to maintain it. Take it from me.

And this is not aimed to any of you. It's just that I've seen and heard hypocrites in my life, and wanted to release somewhat of an opinion about them. Sometimes you have to go an extra mile to prove you're not a hypocrite. Know what I mean?

 

[Darth Ultor]

I am a pro choicer, but up to a point. In cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger, then I'm all for it. If it was an accident, the pregnancy, I feel that it should be done immediately. But if she decides to wait until the fourth month and says "Fuck it", that is where it crosses the line.

 

[.Ted]

I am a pro choicer, but up to a point. In cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger, then I'm all for it. If it was an accident, the pregnancy, I feel that it should be done immediately. But if she decides to wait until the fourth month and says "Fuck it", that is where it crosses the line.

Yes, I think I forgot to mention that. I pretty much share that opinion with you.

It is the woman who can be at fault in cases of accidents and so forth. It's also irresponsible to wait that long and just go through with it. It should be done in the first weeks, not halfway through the pregnancy.

And like you said, I would approve of abortion if the woman was raped, took part in incest (I know what it is, but I think I'd cross a line if I just say it), or if her life was in danger.

But like I have said before, despite irresponsibility or accidents, etc., the final decision should be up to the woman. It's her choice, and if she happens to make the wrong one at a wrong time she'll pay for it, be it from God or karma.

 

[Saints&Storms]

I am a pro choicer, but up to a point. In cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger, then I'm all for it. If it was an accident, the pregnancy, I feel that it should be done immediately. But if she decides to wait until the fourth month and says "Fuck it", that is where it crosses the line.

I agree It murder when that happens, might as well chuck a baby out a window of a car. The baby even avoids the needle when the abortion starts its horrifying.

 

[mizushinzui]

to be honest I agree that sometimes it's the right thing to do. If they child's life wouldn't have been what it deserved then maybe an abortion is the right way to do. But if it's just because you got drunk and were stupid then it's not exactlly a good thing.

But in the end the only thing anyone can say is "It's up to you" It is entirelly up to the women who is pregnant weather thay have an abortion, no matter what everyone else around her is telling her.

 

[The Witch]

Graphic, but true.

I agree with everything both you and FinalHeart have stated. Your points are almost similar to each other. It would be murder waiting too long to have an abortion. Once the baby is officially alive, the woman bearing it has waited too long.

Like I said before, or at least implied, that politicians shouldn't make laws that forbid abortion. I just don't see why they have to be involved. It's not their baby, right? Nothing will happen to them whether that baby lives or dies. The choice has always been and should always belong to the woman.

And this is another way I look at it. Let's say 19 years ago my mother decided to have an abortion (with me inside her), but people who should probably mind their own business end up fighting to keep me alive. They win, my mom loses, I get to live, yadda yadda yadda....

And let's say that 19 years later, my mom fought hard by herself to raise me and maintain my life with no help at all. I wouldn't want any of those people pointing me out on the street and screaming out loud "Hey, I saved his life." One way to get attention and becoming a "hero".

That's just a hypothetical situation or whatever it's called, but you know what I mean. And to all of those who go on and on that a law should be made to prevent abortion, period. If you fight to save a life, also fight to maintain it, damn it. I know how people are, and chances are most will just fight to save a life and consider themselves heroes. It's hard to save a life, but it's harder to maintain it. Take it from me.

And this is not aimed to any of you. It's just that I've seen and heard hypocrites in my life, and wanted to release somewhat of an opinion about them. Sometimes you have to go an extra mile to prove you're not a hypocrite. Know what I mean?

See, I can understand that.

And like others have said, if it's rape, incest or just unwanted, IT IS up to the woman about whether or not she wants to keep it. But like I said, that "option" shouldn't really be allowed past a certain point in time.

I think that's what some people are so confused about. They think that the moment a baby is conceived that it's a thinking, loving baby. When it's not.

And when the cells in the woman aren't a thinking, loving baby, I think it's okay to get an abortion. But like I said before, after a certain point it shouldn't be allowed. And that's when I grow against abortion.

In some places it's allowed that a woman can abort a baby at five and six months. At that time it is a precious, living life. And THAT'S when I look around and start thinking it's wrong to do.

But, if it's in the first couple of weeks, there's still time to abort the will-be-baby without technically murdering a life.

 

[.Ted]

See, I can understand that.

And like others have said, if it's rape, incest or just unwanted, IT IS up to the woman about whether or not she wants to keep it. But like I said, that "option" shouldn't really be allowed past a certain point in time.

I think that's what some people are so confused about. They think that the moment a baby is conceived that it's a thinking, loving baby. When it's not.

And when the cells in the woman aren't a thinking, loving baby, I think it's okay to get an abortion. But like I said before, after a certain point it shouldn't be allowed. And that's when I grow against abortion.

In some places it's allowed that a woman can abort a baby at five and six months. At that time it is a precious, living life. And THAT'S when I look around and start thinking it's wrong to do.

But, if it's in the first couple of weeks, there's still time to abort the will-be-baby without technically murdering a life.

Exactly. Some people just don't know. And those that know better just want to get noticed or really do believe that a baby is alive the minute it's conceived.

I've learned things in this topic that didn't get my attention before. I know what I should be able to tell people and how I feel about this subject. The next time I meet a person who just doesn't know any better, I'd be able to shed light on them. I won't use Bible quotes or politics, but rather common sense and anything else I learned here.

And for the record, when I first heard about abortion, I didn't care much for it. But once I learned how serious it was, I've decided to insert my two cents somehow. Anyone's welcome to disagree with me, but I wouldn't advice challenging me in a debate.

And some quick advice on debating: If you can make the other person be at a loss of words after stating nothing but facts, one way or another, you could be right. But everyone here must already know that.

 

[FinalHeart]

I think the reason most people are against it completely are that way because of either misunderstanding, religion, or both.

Misunderstanding in, like someone stated above, that they think that the baby is a functioning organism, with the ability to have SOME life processes on its own, from the moment it is conceived. The moment it's conceived, it is basically one cell, with a mix of the sperm and egg's DNA. One cell. People don't cry foul when you scratch an itch, do they? Because that kills skin cells.

Religion in that they believe that the baby has a spirit from the moment it is born. I can't really argue for or against this because it is religion, and we simply do not know what is truth or fiction from it. We can't possibly know. It's simply up to your beliefs to determine whether you have faith in this or not. I do not, so I am pro-abortion to an extent (see: previous post). I am in no way saying religion is wrong, because, for some of you, religion may be a perfectly reasonable way to be anti-abortion. Again, it depends on where your faith is.

I tend to think from a very scientific point of view. When it comes to things where emotions can easily make the decision for you (like abortion), I just try to push those emotions aside and think logically. As far as science can prove, the baby is not alive until quite a few weeks into pregnancy. In order to murder something, it must be living. Therefore, if you abort a baby before it is "alive", it is not murder, and is perfectly legal.

 

[Talbain]

But I happen to believe if it's the first couple of weeks you still have a choice. But not at 14 weeks. That's disgusting.

So what? I don't think disgusting at all. Just because you think it's a little graphic does not mean it's wrong.

Ya'll can frankly do whatever you like when it comes to abortion. If you think it's wrong, then please continue discouraging others from having one, and if you support the option, then go ahead and fight for more clinics. I really don't care. All I know is that if I had a girlfriend who got pregnant, she BETTER be allowed to get an abortion, because I sure as hell do not want to raise her kid.

 

[.Ted]

So what? I don't think disgusting at all. Just because you think it's a little graphic does not mean it's wrong.

Ya'll can frankly do whatever you like when it comes to abortion. If you think it's wrong, then please continue discouraging others from having one, and if you support the option, then go ahead and fight for more clinics. I really don't care. All I know is that if I had a girlfriend who got pregnant, she BETTER be allowed to get an abortion, because I sure as hell do not want to raise her kid.

I'm not really discouraging anything. If you really want someone having an abortion, you just got to be aware of what you're doing. You won't hear arguments from me, but rather everyone else who wouldn't approve, namely lots of people who should mind their own business. Just know the baby is officially alive after the first half of the pregnancy. Waiting too long to have an abortion seems to lack common sense, if nothing else.

 

[Serah]

So what? I don't think disgusting at all. Just because you think it's a little graphic does not mean it's wrong.

Ya'll can frankly do whatever you like when it comes to abortion. If you think it's wrong, then please continue discouraging others from having one, and if you support the option, then go ahead and fight for more clinics. I really don't care. All I know is that if I had a girlfriend who got pregnant, she BETTER be allowed to get an abortion, because I sure as hell do not want to raise her kid.

It's people like you who make me absolutely sick. You can't take responsibility for your actions then you sure as hell don't need to be whipping your dick out of your pants either. Did you ever stop and think that maybe she wouldn't want to have an abortion? Maybe she wants to raise the child? I really don't think that when it comes to a woman having an abortion it SHOULD be the man's decision at all. Sorry guys, but we're the ones who have to suffer through the struggles of pregnancy, not you.

We should be the ones to decide if we want to go through the hassle of a pregnancy, and we're the ones who should get to decide if we want to push something the size of a watermelon out of the size of a keyhole. We should also be the ones who get to decide if we want to raise the child or not. We don't NEED a man to raise a baby, so I'll be damned if I were to get pregnant and the man who got me pregnant told me I had to have an abortion when I may not want to. Sorry, but that's MY say so on it. You can't own up to your own mistakes and responsibilities, then keep it in your pants. Just like women who can't handle it need to keep their legs shut.

And just like Kelly, I hate this fucking thread. It infuriates me with some of the tactless responses in here.

 

[.Ted]

It's people like you who make me absolutely sick. You can't take responsibility for your actions then you sure as hell don't need to be whipping your dick out of your pants either. Did you ever stop and think that maybe she wouldn't want to have an abortion? Maybe she wants to raise the child? I really don't think that when it comes to a woman having an abortion it SHOULD be the man's decision at all. Sorry guys, but we're the ones who have to suffer through the struggles of pregnancy, not you.

We should be the ones to decide if we want to go through the hassle of a pregnancy, and we're the ones who should get to decide if we want to push something the size of a watermelon out of the size of a keyhole. We should also be the ones who get to decide if we want to raise the child or not. We don't NEED a man to raise a baby, so I'll be damned if I were to get pregnant and the man who got me pregnant told me I had to have an abortion when I may not want to. Sorry, but that's MY say so on it. You can't own up to your own mistakes and responsibilities, then keep it in your pants. Just like women who can't handle it need to keep their legs shut.

And just like Kelly, I hate this fucking thread. It infuriates me with some of the tactless responses in here.

Sorry if I'm one of those people with tactless responses.

I do remember saying it's up to the woman bearing the child. I honestly don't know what else to say, except apologize if I said anything wrong.