One Big FFVII Rip Off?

Contra Fates said:
Actually. It's about both FFXIII AND Versus. Since it's both, I just put it in the general FF13 thread. Unless there is a Compilation one that I missed.
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I think Amano's character designs are good, but I really dont see it working in real time graphics like Okami did. I think the process should be like this:

Amano creates characters
Nomura revises the designs so they can be practical for in game use
Some guy renders them for in game use
Amano screens them to make sure they arent too far off his inital design.
 
This may be completely shallow, but I'll be buying a PS3 when this game comes out.. gasp,shock, horror, because it's a Final Fantasy game.
Why? Because I can expect that it will be good. I've yet to play a Final Fantasy game that was bad. So the designs look akin to previous games(in this case, VII). Big friggen deal. Doesn't mean it's going to suck..


/end rant.
 
Contra Fates said:
Actually. It's about both FFXIII AND Versus. Since it's both, I just put it in the general FF13 thread. Unless there is a Compilation one that I missed.
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I saw you all bitching and moaning about Versus, not XIII or the characters in it either. I haven't seen yet any complaints about the actual FFXIII being a big FFVII rip-off but Versus, which IMO both of which are beyond ludicrous considering Versus is a Fantasy based on Reality, and unless you've seen the trailer for them I wouldn't go around tossing insinuations about them either. Hence the Versus complaints I put it in the Versus sub-forum.

I actually agree with Lillyane, I have high hopes for both games and after getting my Cloud book with the special trailers and watching them, I'm amazed by what we're going to be getting. These games look especially awesome and I'm dying for storyline of Versus. People shouldn't be so quick to judge a book by it's cover just because a character might look similar to one from another FF, good Lord people. Give it a chance before you start bashing it. You haven't even fucking played it yet. I get so sick of seeing people being so judgemental before they've even had a chance to play the game.
 
Lady Aerith said:
I saw you all bitching and moaning about Versus, not XIII or the characters in it either. I haven't seen yet any complaints about the actual FFXIII being a big FFVII rip-off but Versus, which IMO both of which are beyond ludicrous considering Versus is a Fantasy based on Reality, and unless you've seen the trailer for them I wouldn't go around tossing insinuations about them either. Hence the Versus complaints I put it in the Versus sub-forum.

I actually agree with Lillyane, I have high hopes for both games and after getting my Cloud book with the special trailers and watching them, I'm amazed by what we're going to be getting. These games look especially awesome and I'm dying for storyline of Versus. People shouldn't be so quick to judge a book by it's cover just because a character might look similar to one from another FF, good Lord people. Give it a chance before you start bashing it. You haven't even fucking played it yet. I get so sick of seeing people being so judgemental before they've even had a chance to play the game.
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I never said that the game was going to be bad.
I never said that the storyline would suck.
I never said I wouldn't be buying a PS3 just to play the games, because I will be.
I never said that the gameplay was going to be bad, or the soundtrack, or ANYTHING that wasn't related to the -designs- and that's it.

I'm a visually-oriented person. The first thing I pick up on is graphics, and one of the most attractive things about the Final Fantasy series, is the graphics. It's obvious that Square has the ability to create -extremely- beautiful and unique renders, yet, FF after FF, it's the same recycled thing.

So, again, for clarification.
I'm talking about similarities and unoriginality in DESIGN. And ONLY that. I'm sure the games will be great, I'll buy them, I'll play them. I just find it astounding how similar some of the characters look. And if that amounts to needless judgemental bitching, then I'm sorry for posting my opinion.
 
Lady Aerith said:
I saw you all bitching and moaning about Versus, not XIII or the characters in it either. I haven't seen yet any complaints about the actual FFXIII being a big FFVII rip-off but Versus, which IMO both of which are beyond ludicrous considering Versus is a Fantasy based on Reality, and unless you've seen the trailer for them I wouldn't go around tossing insinuations about them either. Hence the Versus complaints I put it in the Versus sub-forum.
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I know this isnt really my business but isnt that going a little over the top? I mean she was making a simple point about how both games draw major influence in character design from FF7 also she DID mention Lightning (who is in FF13) therefore I agree with her point about it being in the FF13 General Forum.

Anyway I think Lightning will be better than Cloud (as a protagonist) since I doubt she has any of Cloud's emo tendencies also with her having a cooler weapon design than Cloud's Buster sword it could invoke some interesting gameplay ideas.
 
To be fair LA if you read it he did say in the OP that he was talking about FFXIII and Versus, just because the images he used were all from Versus doesn't change that.

Also I don't really see that these will be a ripoff of VII as such but with the same designer working on it you're bound to see elements which are similar. Until you play the thing for yourself you won't see what the differences but at first glance looking at the screenshots released I see where the VII comparisions come from. It was the very thing I thought myself when I first saw them.
 
Scrutator said:
To be fair LA if you read it he did say in the OP that he was talking about FFXIII and Versus, just because the images he used were all from Versus doesn't change that.

Also I don't really see that these will be a ripoff of VII as such but with the same designer working on it you're bound to see elements which are similar. Until you play the thing for yourself you won't see what the differences but at first glance looking at the screenshots released I see where the VII comparisions come from. It was the very thing I thought myself when I first saw them.
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I'm a girl...XD! Haha.

And, the title may have been a bit over-the-top, but I made the thread after being shocked with the new designs that were released. I just kept thinking, "If they're going to use designs that hauntingly similar, why not just remake FF7 first and stop teasing the fanbase?"
 
Well my apologies, considering the complaining is about people's clothing designs from Versus looking similar to FFVII, I figured this was the appropriate place. If it's such a huge fucking deal, I'll move it back.
 
Wow, that girl does looks scarily like Tifa, and that man looks too much like Cloud =/

Hopefully, they won't really look too much like them in the final game, or be small parts. At least the main character is unique.
 
Lady Aerith said:
Well my apologies, considering the complaining is about people's clothing designs from Versus looking similar to FFVII, I figured this was the appropriate place. If it's such a huge fucking deal, I'll move it back.
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It's really not a big deal, I just didn't want you to think that I slammed the thread somewhere out of ignorance.

There is a link to an image comparing Cloud and Lightning in the original post, I didn't post it as an image because there's a lot of cursing in it, so I put a disclaimer above it and linked to it.
 
Contra Fates said:
I'm a girl...XD! Haha.

And, the title may have been a bit over-the-top, but I made the thread after being shocked with the new designs that were released. I just kept thinking, "If they're going to use designs that hauntingly similar, why not just remake FF7 first and stop teasing the fanbase?"
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I've never said I was perfect.

And I don't have a problem with the title so no worries on that front, I do see where you're coming from and I agree with you on most of it. I've always personally looked at both XIII and Versus to be a sort of blending of VII and VIII on a visual level when looking at both the character design and general setting. It is one of the things atm that is putting me off the games.
 
Aerith said:
Wow, that girl does looks scarily like Tifa, and that man looks too much like Cloud =/

Hopefully, they won't really look too much like them in the final game, or be small parts. At least the main character is unique.
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I do believe the girl is blonde and blue-eyed, but the screenshots of her in the dark, facially and hair-style wise, is indeed, freakishly similar.

There are other screens of who I believe is that 'bulky Cloud,' but in them the character is...very thin. So, I'm not sure yet if they're the same character or not.
 
Facially, Mr.33cm doesn't look like Seifer, but his design looks like a blend of VIII and KH Seifer, with the trench coat, the bandana, etc.

Blue-haired dude just screams AC Cloud to me. The design, the hair (oh wow, the colour is changed, big freakin whoop), and the AC-esque swords ...

One of the Versus guys reminds me of an older, taller, thinner Vaan.

The guy in the suit with glasses had remnants of Wakka's hair.

The fact that Nomura was asked to create a 'female Cloud' for this game just says a few things to me: they're just rehashing the OMGBADDAS image that the fanboys love.


*le sigh* I have no doubt that the games will be good, but I just wish the design team would be more ... original and creative.
 
in the beginning of the video it says from the teams that created FFVIIAC and KH2. Theres no wonder they all look alike, the same teams work on games that look alike, it's actually not a rip off, it's just the most advanced programs combined with the character development artist's personal style. Think of their characters as their canvas. Someone who does art usually has a style. (Warhol, Dahli, Picasso, etc.)
 
Raldois said:
in the beginning of the video it says from the teams that created FFVIIAC and KH2. Theres no wonder they all look alike, the same teams work on games that look alike, it's actually not a rip off, it's just the most advanced programs combined with the character development artist's personal style. Think of their characters as their canvas. Someone who does art usually has a style. (Warhol, Dahli, Picasso, etc.)
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This is a good point, since it is made by both teams. They do have an excuse to show their own style within it, but again, my main complaint about the Versus girl was the fact that it's the same face model.

I'm just annoyed with Square rehashing the actually 3-D models. I can understand similar designs, like in Versus, since they're going for the cyberpunk look, but the faces?

The KH and FF7 crew aren't the ones on staff for FFXIII though, are they? It's only for Versus. If that's the case, that explains why FFXIII itself looks worlds different from Versus.
 
It's true that many artists put a specific art style within their work but I dont see why they can't try something different especially as it's a mix together of development teams/creative minds. A style I would personally love to see make a return would be the Vagrant Story style as it was fresh and completely different from any FF character designs. The game it was most reminiscent of was FF:T and FF:TA but they are often overshadowed by the main titles of the series.
 
I understand what you're saying, but the design is like a trademark of the FF series, so it's not really surprising.

It's probably the design of the same person who did the movie, right?

It's like comic books; even if they're completely different stories from each other, if it's drawn by the same person, it'll look the same.

I thought the blue-haired guy looked like Cloud.
 
Well, I guess this is because they know that people that look like FFVII characters will make the game as popular as FFVII.

I guess, anyway.
 
It all does look suspiciously similar & tbh my hopes aren't really that high for XIII but I hope I'm proved wrong >_<
 
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