[Query] Infractions?

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This isn't some pitiful attempt to stir some shit up with you, so hold yer horses, Aztec.

I'm not sure if this has simply been abolished, or if there's some extra option now, but I distinctly remember being required to send a PM to a member when I had to warn them. Considering recent and also not-so-recent events, I now see that it's certainly not a necessary option, seeing as I've never received any notification for any infraction I've ever received. The justification behind them is another debate entirely [:

So aye, I'm just wondering, has it just simply been abolished? If so, why? It seems to be a pretty sneaky way of infracting people. Not only that, you'll never know what you did wrong if you don't know you've been given an infraction for it.
 
i think its optional - i know that when i infract/warn people for spam i choose to send a PM with it to, that way they know what they've been infracted for and how to avoid it in the future :)
 
Meh, for the most part. No moderator since BustaMo has gotten any formal training. The only reason BustaMo got any training at all is because of Lady Aerith. There are formal rules listed but we have discussed other guidelines since you were mod. So if you want a formal PM for your infraction, I can easily give you one explaining it... but for the most part I don't send PMs for every routine infraction. I do give verbal warnings but you've received so many of those already.
 
Aerith Gainsborough said:
i think its optional - i know that when i infract/warn people for spam i choose to send a PM with it to, that way they know what they've been infracted for and how to avoid it in the future :)
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I thought as much. Then again, I've only ever been warned by the same person, so it might just be his technique.

Mod edit: Send me a PM
 
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Yes AG, justification would be good, not just saying infraction and Pming me the post that I know I wrote.

PS Saying 'Trolling' is not justification, neither is any any adjective such as 'dramatising'.

PS Send me a PM.
 
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If I had gotten an infraction, I'd like to know in a PM so that I'd know in the future what and what-not to do. =)
 
I guess I should step in here and say it's my job to pass down to staff the right procedures of handling situations and of all what to do for given circumstances.

Infractions from now on will consist of a PM 92% of the time. There are certain times when a person makes a Dupe account and it gets banned because that person was put over the infraction limit in points. No need for a PM explanation.

HOWEVER: For trolling, flaming, dramatizing, similar infractions and custom infractions, I would like to see a PM sent to the person each and every time. It's not that time consuming, and it does make you as a staff member, at least validate or justify your reasons for cracking down on the situation. This will be further discussed with staff once I get the chance too.

Also, Aztec brought up a good point. I went to Lady Aerith for most of my questions concerning the ways to mod, and Judge Rulia for a few too, but since then, we don't seem to have a set method or outline of Mod expectations, rules, procedures, and just a general manual. Sure Darkblade made one up for staff, but it's full of more technical maneuvering around the Mod CP than anything else. I will 100% comprise a Lehman's Terms Mod Manual when I am able to compile everything together and explain it the best I can.

As for this topic, it will be enforced. I know the mods don't really have the time to sit down and log every action they make, but for infractions that are aimed to fix a problem and help out a member in the long-run, it's necessary.
 
Staffers giving a reason of 'dramatising' is perfectly valid. All members can see their own infractions, and have a link to the post you were either warned or infracted on. If you remember the post, why moan about justification? It's right there in your fucking face.


The only time I see a PM being necessary, is when the post is deleted, or it's a repeat offense. No harm in sending one anyway though.
 
I...have been a moderator for quite a few months now and...I did not know this was required. I mean I see the message box, but I never write anything in it. I thought you guys automatically received warning messages. =S
 
Yeah, I thought the message came in a PM too automatically for a while.

When it comes to deleting posts like Saix stated, after the first deletion you can be sent a PM explaining why it was deleted, where the person who's post got deleted can be warned and know ahead of time that if it happens again soon, the post will just be deleted; no warning. I've deleted many posts in one topic due to spam, etc, many times because one person starts the Chat-like convo, and it strays away from the topic at hand.

HOWEVER, a person should not flip out or get all hyped up over a few deleted posts. Every site I've ever been a part of has made it clear that you post at your own risk. What you post is up to moderator discretion. If they find it a reliable candidate for deletion, then so be it. It's just one post in your post count, no biggie. In many instances the Mod can just state in the post following the deleted post that a post was deleted for spam/off-topicness/etc. After that, the topic should be dropped unless you want to take it to PM's to discuss. Further discussion in that topic about a deletion will just take the topic further off-track.

If the Infraction is self-explanatory, then so be it. Best Judgment should be able to determine this. Same with deletion notices, but if it's a constant habit, no warning will be given if it's for the umpteenth time.
 
It's true. I said to Aztec when he started PMing me with a verbal warning that I felt much less inclined to actually argue with him, because he'd communicated his decision with me. Even if I disagreed with what he'd said, he'd still told me what he thought I was doing wrong and I actually stopped it xD That WAS the entire point I was making, though. At least it worked.
 
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