You know...there was something that Bahamut's fayth said to Tidus in the game that got me thinking. He said "Both and your father have been touched by sin. You're more than just dreams now" Okay, so they were dreams of the fayth, but they were both touched by Sin...what does that mean? They didn't completely vanish? I mean at the end of the game you see Braska and Auron along with Jecht, so does that entail that instead of them completely vanishing, they went to the Farplane? I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused on that. What are your thoughts?
Tidus and Jecht (SPOILER)
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Roxas 101
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I think they meant vanish from spira when they came to spira they weren't dreams anymore but becuase Jecht became sin he couldn't return to the dream Zanarkand but when Tidus and everyone defeated sin for good they were able to return to the dream Zanarkand. In my opinion they were never spirits that wondered into Spira or else Tidus would have been sent when yuna performed her sendings so Tidus and Jecht were just memories of someone and when they defeated sin they were sent back to were they belong in other words the dream Zanarkand. But thats what i think of it
see I don't think they were because we see Tidus on the Farplane in X-2 and we also see him if you get the Sad Ending still on the Farplane. If they were all sent back to DZ then why were Braska and Auron there when Tidus jumped off of the airship when he was fading out? I always heard that he ended up on the Farplane after the dreams of the fayth vanished, so he never actually did fully vanish...did he?
No i don't agree with you Roxas 101, i would think that Tidus himself is actually a fath dreaming of his long forgotten Zanarkand, that is why at the end of the dame you see the water bubble spill into the little water droplets and Tidus face appears. That dream Zanarkand was just as real as any other Spira
No you are wrong also X. Tidus was never a fayth himself, ever. What you see is the dreams of the fayth disappearing and Tidus's face is in there because he was a dream of the fayth and one of the many people the fayth had dreamed up. Also, DZ was not real like Spira at all. I have no idea where you get those theories but they're wrong. Anyhow this is besides the point and none of this still does not answer my question.
But wouldn't all of the Dream Zanarkand disappear into the Farplane as they were already dead. Look at the fact that Tidus was able to see his mom in the Farplane. Also when Seymor showed them the sphere of Zanarkand, wouldn't he be able to know all about it and stuff like that, just kinda throwing it out there a bit as i was wondering about that small fact
All of DZ was that....just a dream. It was not touched in the way by Sin that Tidus and Jecht were. As for Jecht, he was killed by Tidus so he went on to the Farplane but he had been touched by Sin so that made him more as as Tidus.
As for being able to see Tidus's mom, we have to remember the fayth was still dreaming when we saw her. For all we know she could have vanished from the Farplane when the fayth stopped dreaming, but Square never really specified that. Seymour showed the sphere of Zanarkand that was the Zanarkand from 1000 years go and it was all from the thoughts of the dead from 1000 years ago. All of the people in DZ are just dreams. They aren't the same people who resided there 1000 years. They are all people that were created within the fayth's minds to keep Zanarkand alive.
Now, does anybody know the answer to my question at all? We see Tidus and Jecht with Auron and Braska at the end, so does that mean that since they were touched by Sin and the fayth told them that they were more than just dreams now, that they didn't fully disappear? Instead, they went to rest on the Farplane instead of completely vanishing? I mean that's what I'm thinking, what does anybody else here think?
I think when they fough Yu Yevon that allowed them to become real in lamest terms where they weren't really dreams anymore and that means that they could go to the farplane.
Well that is true that Sin/Jecht and Tidus were brought into real life by Sin and then brought into spria, but remember that Braska and Auron weren't from DZ and Jecht and Tidus were.
Now here is another question Tidus Girl, if Tidus didn't really exist until after Sin brought him to Spira, how could the fath dream each and every one of the people in DZ and their peronalities as well as everything else that was happening. I still reckon that DZ actually existed once uppon a time and then removed from existence. Isn't that why the faith all fell asleep in the fisrt place to create the Zanarkand that once was only in the form of a dream? Not to mention as soon as the faith stopped dreaming he vanished not to mention that everybody still remembers him, and where would the faith get the idea of that person if that person didn't exist. If a person died in DZ they would still be in the Farplane as well as the fact that Tidus was also transported 1000 years into the future. If he couldn't get there how did Auron travel to DZ on Sin
Give me your idea Tidus Girl
Now here is another question Tidus Girl, if Tidus didn't really exist until after Sin brought him to Spira, how could the fath dream each and every one of the people in DZ and their peronalities as well as everything else that was happening. I still reckon that DZ actually existed once uppon a time and then removed from existence. Isn't that why the faith all fell asleep in the fisrt place to create the Zanarkand that once was only in the form of a dream? Not to mention as soon as the faith stopped dreaming he vanished not to mention that everybody still remembers him, and where would the faith get the idea of that person if that person didn't exist. If a person died in DZ they would still be in the Farplane as well as the fact that Tidus was also transported 1000 years into the future. If he couldn't get there how did Auron travel to DZ on Sin
Give me your idea Tidus Girl
I KNOW that Braska and Auron were not from DZ and that's what my whole question boils down to. Since they (meaning Tidus and Jecht) were both touched by Sin, they became more than just dreams, but yet were still dreams, so when the fayth stopped dreaming, they ended up on the Farplane with Auron because the dreams of the fayth ended thus leaving them to rest on the Farplane and allowing the fayth to stop dreaming them in the real world, Spira or atleast I'm assuming that's what happened.
The fayth stated in the game that they had dreamt all of the people in DZ up themselves. They were being controlled by Yu Yevon, who kept summoning the dreams of the fayth and that is how the fayth were able to dream up ALL of those people and all of the city, etc...
I honestly don't know how to make this more clear to you. Dream Zanarkand is a recreation of the original Zanarkand in the fayth's minds. It is specified several times in the game. They wanted to save the original Zanarkand that was destroyed 1000 years ago when the war between Bevelle and Zanarkand raged and they wanted to do it if only in a dream.
The fayth never fell asleep. They just created DZ within their own minds and dreamt it for 1000 years. If somebody died in DZ, yes they would go to the Farplane, but it doesn't necessarily mean that once the fayth stopped dreaming that they would stay there or disappear, Square NEVER specified that. As for Tidus being transported 1000 years into the future, it leads you to believe that but he technically was not. The DZ he's from was existing at the same time Spira was at that point in time.
Auron rode Sin to DZ because he's dead and unsent. If you listen in the game he says straight up "Being dead has it's advantages. I was able to ride Sin to your Zanarkand."
Of course everybody remembers Tidus after he vanished. He existed in Spira. How could they not forget him? Just as much as the aeons and the fayth. The aeons were all dreams of the fayth as well. They all remembered it. As for getting the idea of Tidus, Tidus's looks and such were based off of the template of Shuyin in X-2 who actually really DID exist 1000 years ago but died tragically. The fayth just gave Tidus (along with everybody else) his own personality. They couldn't stop it because Yu Yevon was summoning it all and the fayth couldn't stop dreaming or control Yu Yevon.
I don't know where you came up with your theories hon, but they are wrong. You can do searches online to find out all of this, but basically just about everything I told you here is correct.
Whoa, you have all this thought out, don't you, i don't know if i agree with you on the Shyuin bit but then where is the recreation of Lenne, it definaitly isn't Yuna
No I don't have all of this thought out, it's all proven facts and true. It is what I have seen and discovered online and it's also from paying attention to the game as I play it. If anything, you're the one who has your own assanine theory all thought out. Also, it IS in fact proven that Tidus is based off of the template of Shuyin. Why do you think in X-2 when Yuna sees him she doesn't know if it's "him" or not and there's a possibility he may still be out there somewhere she goes searching? Tidus's looks are basically based off of Shuyin's. That is a proven fact. Do the research online and you'll find it.
Of course Yuna isn't based off of Lenne. Yuna is real. We're talking about people who are dreams of the fayth here, not real people in Spira. They didn't show us every single person the fayth dreamed of because that is just entirely too many anyway. Does somebody that is a dream of the fayth have to necessarily be based off of somebody that once lived in Zanarkand? No they don't so stop questioning that because it's pointless. Sorry if that all sounded harsh. It wasn't meant to be.
Of course Yuna isn't based off of Lenne. Yuna is real. We're talking about people who are dreams of the fayth here, not real people in Spira. They didn't show us every single person the fayth dreamed of because that is just entirely too many anyway. Does somebody that is a dream of the fayth have to necessarily be based off of somebody that once lived in Zanarkand? No they don't so stop questioning that because it's pointless. Sorry if that all sounded harsh. It wasn't meant to be.
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I know that it wasn't mean't to be harsh Tidus Girl, though i still reckon (note: these issues are entirely based on what we as an individual believe not a group) that Tidus might have been a faith. Remember there were alot of faith at Mt Gagazat in order to hold the dream.
Also Sin i believe has the power to travel between these worlds, we don't really know how powerful sin really is, when we fought it, it was held back by the song.
Also Sin i believe has the power to travel between these worlds, we don't really know how powerful sin really is, when we fought it, it was held back by the song.
If Tidus were a fayth, he wouldn't be in DZ being the star blitzball player and he certainly wouldn't have been taken into Spira by Sin and Auron either. He would be the one who would be trapped in the summit with Yu Yevon summoning the dreams of DZ and it's people from within him. It is stated so many times in the game that Tidus is a dream of the fayth and nothing more. I would think you'd know this from playing the game. The fayth even tells him straight up
"You're wrong...this isn't a dream. You ARE a dream."
If Tidus were a fayth he wouldn't be alive and falling in love with Yuna in Spira and living life. That is why Tidus vanished at the end because he was a dream and nothing more which takes us straight back to my original question...
Since he and Jecht were both touched by Sin, they became more than just dreams, but what do they mean by that? They could not have been fayth because then that would mean they were dreaming the whole time and they weren't. They were brought into reality (Spira) and fayth are either what is in the temples and gives the summoner aeons or are trapped on Mt. Gagazet.
"You're wrong...this isn't a dream. You ARE a dream."
If Tidus were a fayth he wouldn't be alive and falling in love with Yuna in Spira and living life. That is why Tidus vanished at the end because he was a dream and nothing more which takes us straight back to my original question...
Since he and Jecht were both touched by Sin, they became more than just dreams, but what do they mean by that? They could not have been fayth because then that would mean they were dreaming the whole time and they weren't. They were brought into reality (Spira) and fayth are either what is in the temples and gives the summoner aeons or are trapped on Mt. Gagazet.
Okay Tidus Girl, i would have to say that when Jecht or Tidus left the dream their minds themselves were nothing but the dream of the faith, though when sin touched them, there minds grew so them, as a being were able to control one's own mind not that of a faith being controled although that doesn't really answer your question, does it?
But then Tidus only really came into existence after making contact with Sin...right? I'm not that clear anymore
Yes, Tidus only really came into existence once Auron put him on Sin and Sin then took him to Spira. He became more than just a dream , however he was still remained a dream of the fayth, living and breathing in Spira. He was the dream that made the fayth's dreaming end.
yeah okay i have a point against her, i will remember this day well, okay know i have a question how did tidus go inside Sin, i was re watching the part where Sin took Tidus and Auron into Spira but can't see which part they took him in.
As for tidus and the dream part, in a way the faith were controlling Tidus so when he cam into Spira, he kinda went from somelse controlling his destiny to he himself writing his own story
As for tidus and the dream part, in a way the faith were controlling Tidus so when he cam into Spira, he kinda went from somelse controlling his destiny to he himself writing his own story
liuleonheart
Blue Mage
i'll share my own thoughts,,, lets see... i think tidus and jecht was really "just" a dream. But because sin's interference,,, let's say a contact between a dream and reality... it affected their existence! they existed in two different worlds, and have a participation to the both. .... maybe thats the reason they went to the farplane, they died in spira because the source of their lives vanish. A dream that comes true is not a dream anymore.He went inside of Sin by using the airship. They blasted Sin's mouth open if you remember properly. You had to battle his mouth and get drawn in closer and closer and eventually you broke through. That is how Tidus "got inside of Sin." As for when Sin took Tidus and Auron to Spira they just rode him. Auron was unsent, so he was able to do that and protect Tidus to the best of his ability along the way and help into Spira because of the promise he made to Jecht. The reason why they didn't go inside of Sin in the beginning is that they had no intentions on fighting Yu Yevon at that point let alone them knowing who Yu Yevon was. The reason they broke through Sin and got inside of him in the end was to fight and beat Yu Yevon so he would stop summoning the dreams of the fayth and so that Sin would be gone forever.
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See, that is what I was thinking as well! But I'm still curious about his mother since he did see her on the Farplane there in Spira but she died in DZ. I wonder if once the fayth stopped dreaming if she faded from the Farplane or if people in DZ that have died went on to the Farplane and just stayed there and that is what happens when a fayth stops dreaming or if they completely vanish, but Tidus stayed on to rest in the Farplane because he was touched by Sin and became as the fayth said "more than just a dream"
liuleonheart
Blue Mage
See, that is what I was thinking as well! But I'm still curious about his mother since he did see her on the Farplane there in Spira but she died in DZ. I wonder if once the fayth stopped dreaming if she faded from the Farplane or if people in DZ that have died went on to the Farplane and just stayed there and that is what happens when a fayth stops dreaming or if they completely vanish, but Tidus stayed on to rest in the Farplane because he was touched by Sin and became as the fayth said "more than just a dream"[/quote]
lets see.... if i remember it correctly.. there was a brief explanation of what farplane can do, that people can see images of people that they want to see inside the farplane. And because tidus and everything in his memory in DZ was from a fayth's dream, it made it possible for tidus to see his mother images, because the source of this images comes from a fayth in spira. (...well that's what i think.....)
lets see.... if i remember it correctly.. there was a brief explanation of what farplane can do, that people can see images of people that they want to see inside the farplane. And because tidus and everything in his memory in DZ was from a fayth's dream, it made it possible for tidus to see his mother images, because the source of this images comes from a fayth in spira. (...well that's what i think.....)