Wisconsin Governor Defends Budget Bill As Opposition Persists

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"(CNN) -- Embattled Republican Gov. Scott Walker defended a budget bill that would slash public workers' benefits and most collective bargaining rights in an effort to address Wisconsin's impending $3.6 billion dollar deficit.

"We have bill collectors waiting," Walker told reporters Friday. "It's time we step up and pay the bills that we owe."

The move comes as crowds of protesters gathered in Madison and Democratic state senators defended their decision to leave the state in an effort to stymie a bill they say is anti-union.

"Hiding out in another state is not the way democracies operate," Walker said.

Walker, who says the state is "broke," is asking legislators to pass his Budget Repair Bill to combat a $137 million shortfall through June 30. An upcoming two-year budget for 2011-13 must address a pending $3.6 billion deficit, he said.

But opponents of the bill, most of them Democrats, say the proposed legislation is an attack on workers' rights.

"We will return and do our job, but the governor had to do his job," said state Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller, one of 14 Democrats and two Republicans who left Madison to stall a vote on the controversial bill."

Story continued here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/18/wisconsin.budget/index.html?hpt=Sbin


As I've been watching the news this topic has been getting more and more heated. First, the teachers union likely isn't the only one that has been hit by budget cuts or changes in their benefit packages. ...and I hate stating the obvious, but with the economy being as bad as it is...people should be lucky they even have a job nowadays. Yes, I know they are teachers...they do a wonderful thing teaching the future of our country and I credit them for their hard work. I think its mainly a control thing for them because if the bill passes they won't be able to control their wages anymore through collective bargaining sessions.

However, I work in the medical profession and I haven't gotten a raise in a good two years...and my benefit packages aren't looking as rosy as they used to...but I'm not going out and abandon my patients in their beds to fend for themselves while I go and protest my loathing about the fact that my benefit package isn't so great...or my lack of a raise for a couple of years. Also, I don't get the luxury of collective bargaining for my wages. Collective bargaining for wages would likely = looking for/finding another job. I don't think anyone or any one group should be exempt from state budget cuts because its not like the governor is going to be able to magically snap his fingers and make some cash appear for the debt collectors and say "here!" :monster: ... because lets face it...we are all suffering as the economy suffers anyway and we need to look for solutions for correcting the debt situation as best as possible, as its a problem that won't wait to be fixed...and is only getting worse.

...and what the hell is up with those Minority Leaders who decided to flee their PAID job responsibilities so they can further delay this bill from passing? At least get in there and do your job and say you are opposed for whatever reason. :rage:

Discuss.
 
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...and what the hell is up with those Minority Leaders who decided to flee their PAID job responsibilities so they can further delay this bill from passing? At least get in there and do your job and say you are opposed for whatever reason. :rage:

Discuss.

Because it was the only way to prevent it from passing. There are 33 seats in the Wisconsin legislature, 19 of which are controlled by Republicans. I think they only needed a simple majority to pass the bill, which 19 clearly covers. But there have to be 20 members present to start a session. So by leaving the state, they prevented a vote from even taking place.
 
Because it was the only way to prevent it from passing. There are 33 seats in the Wisconsin legislature, 19 of which are controlled by Republicans. I think they only needed a simple majority to pass the bill, which 19 clearly covers. But there have to be 20 members present to start a session. So by leaving the state, they prevented a vote from even taking place.


Some people think that these ends may have justified the means...but I don't pay taxpayer money for legislators to go border hopping and fleeing from their job responsibilites when things start heating up in their political seats, TTT. I'm sorry, but at my job if they are about to institute a new policy or procedure I have to be present to give my reasons for disagreeing with said policy/procedure...if I want my voice to be heard I'm not going to going to flee to another state and leave my job responsibilities as a professional...no matter what the intended or potential outcome is. ...and them fleeing the state is only going to delay things for so long. Maybe instead of being a part of the problem they can start earning the money we pay them and if they don't agree with this solution they can start doing their jobs and work to find a more agreeable one :andry:
 
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Wouldn't showing up for the vote when they already knew the outcome be them being a part of the problem? Since they believe, apparently, that these particular budget cuts are not the best way to solve some of the economic crisis facing the state of Wisconsin, if they allowed the vote to pass, wouldn't it just create more of the same? A state scrambling to find money?

Frankly, I find no difference between the actions of these State Reps, and any politician who has filibustered Congress, or any other political body. That's an accepted practice, and it creates essentially the same situation. Stalling in order to prevent a vote from being taken.
 
Wouldn't showing up for the vote when they already knew the outcome be them being a part of the problem? Since they believe, apparently, that these particular budget cuts are not the best way to solve some of the economic crisis facing the state of Wisconsin, if they allowed the vote to pass, wouldn't it just create more of the same? A state scrambling to find money?

Frankly, I find no difference between the actions of these State Reps, and any politician who has filibustered Congress, or any other political body. That's an accepted practice, and it creates essentially the same situation. Stalling in order to prevent a vote from being taken.

Mmm...I'm sorry TTT, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one...for all of the reasons I've already stated. If they are outnumbered in the senate then they are going to have to eventually deal with it in more lasting and constructive ways. They are only going to be able to run and hide from a 3.6 billion dollar state deficit, the vote, and their paid job responsibilities for so long.
 
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