BladeWarrior
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i always wanted to know, which is better, what are the ups and downs of both these powerful posscessors. which is better the Intel duel core or the AMD Duel cores?
which is better? Intel or AMD?
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to its amd
for me its amd dual core, gnerally all processor are good depends of the needs of everyone, i got an amd and i worl pretty good, i dont have problems, only had problems with the ram memory, and the virtual memory, but that easy to fix. in my opinion amd its more bettr that an intel.
for me its amd dual core, gnerally all processor are good depends of the needs of everyone, i got an amd and i worl pretty good, i dont have problems, only had problems with the ram memory, and the virtual memory, but that easy to fix. in my opinion amd its more bettr that an intel.
I've always been an Intel fan. Sure, they can be priced higher, but you're getting a better chip.
Intel processors just seem to handle Error Correction and Memory Addressing a whole lot better than AMD processors meaning a lot less blue screens of death or the ever common Illegal Operation Memory Address Error. However, the biggest problem I've seen and still continue to see with AMD processors are burnt out fried processors. AMD processors run hot, very hot compared to their Intel counterparts and you'll aways have to keep tabs on your processor's cooling fan. If your processor's cooling fan were to die and most die from dust clogs, I guarantee that your AMD chip will burn out within 3-4 minutes. Intel chips just run a lot cooler and are very hard to burn out since 99% of them will shut down well before any damage occurs after reaching a certain temperature, but again, you'll only see this if your having cooling fan problems.
Now, AMD processors aren't necessarily bad processors since I've seen them come along way over the years, but they still have a long way to go in my opinion.
Intel processors just seem to handle Error Correction and Memory Addressing a whole lot better than AMD processors meaning a lot less blue screens of death or the ever common Illegal Operation Memory Address Error. However, the biggest problem I've seen and still continue to see with AMD processors are burnt out fried processors. AMD processors run hot, very hot compared to their Intel counterparts and you'll aways have to keep tabs on your processor's cooling fan. If your processor's cooling fan were to die and most die from dust clogs, I guarantee that your AMD chip will burn out within 3-4 minutes. Intel chips just run a lot cooler and are very hard to burn out since 99% of them will shut down well before any damage occurs after reaching a certain temperature, but again, you'll only see this if your having cooling fan problems.
Now, AMD processors aren't necessarily bad processors since I've seen them come along way over the years, but they still have a long way to go in my opinion.
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I will have to say Intel mainly because I have never had a AMD processor I've had Intel all my life and I think its great I might get a Quad Core soon I hope.
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Well with Intel's Quad-Core I'd say Intel. I can't speak from experience because personally I've always used an Intel CPU. However Intel's are quite pricey but they make up for it in reliability, from what I've been told AMD is faster but they are shit and unreliable. If you are looking for a good CPU and you've got the cash get the Intel Quad-Core.
AMD is generally cheaper, and a better choice if you're short on cash. Especially for gamers who want to build a PC and still get alot of the needed periphials and what not. Such as a microphone, a decent internet connection, and so on. Well they aren't needed but most gamers would find it ghey without it.
AMD is generally cheaper, and a better choice if you're short on cash. Especially for gamers who want to build a PC and still get alot of the needed periphials and what not. Such as a microphone, a decent internet connection, and so on. Well they aren't needed but most gamers would find it ghey without it.
Chaos Theory
MY 360 DIED! ='(
You know, I've only ever known Intel, so I can't vouch for AMD, but I've never had any problems with my Intel, so I'd suggest that to you.
Huh? Every AMD that I've ever owned is twice as expensive as a comparable Intel...
AMD Opteron - I have 2 machines running Opteron Duals and 8GB RAM. (4 per proc) The Intel rival would be the XEON that I have in this machine, with 3GB RAM. The AMD machine is over 2.5X more expensive, even before adding the RAM.
You're off to a bad start.
I've never had a single blue screen of death on my AMD machines. Never, not once, nada. Maybe Intel machines are better at handling errors, because they HAVE to be?
Memory addressing? With no FSB on AMD chips, how do you say that Intel handles memory addressing better?
Evidently you are running ancient Intel hardware, because procs with heat sinks are the norm these days.
You don't need to "keep tabs" on a cooling fan - you only need to have one that meets the requirements of your processor. If it fails, you go after the manufacturer. My machines run 24/7, and again, I have NEVER had a blue screen of death. (which would occur before a meltdown)
Actually, it's more like 12 seconds. (really) But if you are that much of a slob that you allow any piece of electronic equipment to become injected and matted with particulate, you deserve to pay for new equipment.
I would suggest you test more, and talk less. You really don't know what you're talking about...
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I would be happy to debate Intel vs. AMD Fact with you all day long, but only on a mature level. DO NOT! Try to insult me ever again.
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What’s that supposed to prove? You decided to buy a higher-end, more expensive version of the AMD chip. Also, yes it is a sad fact that most of the time; you DO have to buy double the AMD chips, to equal one Intel configured chip.
Again, what does this prove? Sounds like you have 2.5X more equipment in the AMD units then you do in you single Intel system.
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When I answered BladeWarrior’s original question, it was in response to a question based on a DESKTOP PROCESSOR, not a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR which you’re trying to compare. An Intel Xeon processor is meant for a server platform and is rarely found in a home end user’s PC, unless they custom built it that way.
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Count yourself luck! This is the number one complaint I hear from my clients that have decided to go with an AMD chip over an Intel, not to mention my own personal experience doing repair work on AMD systems.
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<!--[endif]-->And again, there’s no comparison to your argument here, since your Opteron is a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR not a DESKTOP PROCESSOR. It was designed to handle error correction, hence no memory errors or blue screens of death (hardware errors). Also, since your running a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR, you’ll have to use ERROR CORRECTING SERVER MEMORY. Again, way to expensive and impractical for your common desktop PC.
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I’m not sure where you got that information, but you’re terribly wrong. ALL computers have an FSB (Front Side Bus), even AMD PROCESSORS/SYSTEMS! The front side bus is the measurement of data in bits which is measured in MHz. It is very critical that the Processor’s FSB, the RAM’s FSB (Random Access Memory) and the Motherboards FSB all match for any computer to function properly.
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How do I say Intel handles memory addressing better? It’s very easy and the facts speak for themselves. Look at any Intel vs. AMD bench mark (An official Bench Mark, NOT some AMD or Intel Fanboy’s Bench Mark). You’ll see that the Intel chips are slightly faster to much faster than their AMD counter parts. This is because an Intel DESKTOP PROCESSOR handles error correction and memory addressing a whole lot better, thus resulting in faster data cycles per second, millisecond, etc…
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Really, and where exactly did I say that they didn’t come with a processor heat sink and fan.
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I’ve got news for you, READ your warranty agreement that came with your processor, which I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like you threw it away without reading it. You’ll see that the PROCESSORS HEAT SINK and FAN are classed as WEAR AND TEAR parts, MEANING its YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that are WORKING FULLY or IT WILL NULL and VOID YOUR WARRANTY! It’s just like the oil in your cars engine. While your car is under the manufactures warranty, you must have documented proof of all scheduled OIL CHANGES should you engine blow and the mechanic needs to file warranty claim.
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Again, that’s incorrect. If your processor burns up, your computer will freeze, or if you invested enough money on a decent Power Supply, it will immediately cut off power to the computer.
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Wrong again. A dead CPU fan with the heat sink still attached will give you minutes, but most of the time this will only cause performance issues with freezing on Intel systems and complete burn out in minutes on an AMD systems. Now, if the heat sink and fan are intentional removed while the PC is in use, then (“really”) its more like 2 or 3 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOmMAasqto
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Again, INSULTING me and calling me a SLOB is uncalled for. There’s a little well know atmospheric phenomenon call dust. Over time this dust builds up inside the moving parts of the fans inside a computer. Eventually this dust becomes so thick that it clogs the fans and they stop moving. Now, most of my clients aren’t aware of this problem and sure as hell don’t call them slobs, I just educate them on the importance of having your computer cleaned every 6 months at the very latest’s and since BladeWarrior may not have been aware of this, I decided to mention this leading cause of computer hardware failure.
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Oh but I do know what I’m talking about, not to mention every single one of my client trust my knowledge and experience. I’m just sorry if it’s not what you like to hear.
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> </o>I would be happy to debate Intel vs. AMD Fact with you all day long, but only on a mature level. DO NOT! Try to insult me ever again.
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> </o><oHuh? Every AMD that I've ever owned is twice as expensive as a comparable Intel...
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You're off to a bad start.
> </o>What’s that supposed to prove? You decided to buy a higher-end, more expensive version of the AMD chip. Also, yes it is a sad fact that most of the time; you DO have to buy double the AMD chips, to equal one Intel configured chip.
Again, what does this prove? Sounds like you have 2.5X more equipment in the AMD units then you do in you single Intel system.
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> </o>When I answered BladeWarrior’s original question, it was in response to a question based on a DESKTOP PROCESSOR, not a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR which you’re trying to compare. An Intel Xeon processor is meant for a server platform and is rarely found in a home end user’s PC, unless they custom built it that way.
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> </o>Count yourself luck! This is the number one complaint I hear from my clients that have decided to go with an AMD chip over an Intel, not to mention my own personal experience doing repair work on AMD systems.
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<!--[endif]-->And again, there’s no comparison to your argument here, since your Opteron is a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR not a DESKTOP PROCESSOR. It was designed to handle error correction, hence no memory errors or blue screens of death (hardware errors). Also, since your running a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR, you’ll have to use ERROR CORRECTING SERVER MEMORY. Again, way to expensive and impractical for your common desktop PC.
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> </o>I’m not sure where you got that information, but you’re terribly wrong. ALL computers have an FSB (Front Side Bus), even AMD PROCESSORS/SYSTEMS! The front side bus is the measurement of data in bits which is measured in MHz. It is very critical that the Processor’s FSB, the RAM’s FSB (Random Access Memory) and the Motherboards FSB all match for any computer to function properly.
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> </o>How do I say Intel handles memory addressing better? It’s very easy and the facts speak for themselves. Look at any Intel vs. AMD bench mark (An official Bench Mark, NOT some AMD or Intel Fanboy’s Bench Mark). You’ll see that the Intel chips are slightly faster to much faster than their AMD counter parts. This is because an Intel DESKTOP PROCESSOR handles error correction and memory addressing a whole lot better, thus resulting in faster data cycles per second, millisecond, etc…
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> </o>Really, and where exactly did I say that they didn’t come with a processor heat sink and fan.
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> </o>I’ve got news for you, READ your warranty agreement that came with your processor, which I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like you threw it away without reading it. You’ll see that the PROCESSORS HEAT SINK and FAN are classed as WEAR AND TEAR parts, MEANING its YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that are WORKING FULLY or IT WILL NULL and VOID YOUR WARRANTY! It’s just like the oil in your cars engine. While your car is under the manufactures warranty, you must have documented proof of all scheduled OIL CHANGES should you engine blow and the mechanic needs to file warranty claim.
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> </o>Again, that’s incorrect. If your processor burns up, your computer will freeze, or if you invested enough money on a decent Power Supply, it will immediately cut off power to the computer.
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> </o>Wrong again. A dead CPU fan with the heat sink still attached will give you minutes, but most of the time this will only cause performance issues with freezing on Intel systems and complete burn out in minutes on an AMD systems. Now, if the heat sink and fan are intentional removed while the PC is in use, then (“really”) its more like 2 or 3 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOmMAasqto
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> </o>Again, INSULTING me and calling me a SLOB is uncalled for. There’s a little well know atmospheric phenomenon call dust. Over time this dust builds up inside the moving parts of the fans inside a computer. Eventually this dust becomes so thick that it clogs the fans and they stop moving. Now, most of my clients aren’t aware of this problem and sure as hell don’t call them slobs, I just educate them on the importance of having your computer cleaned every 6 months at the very latest’s and since BladeWarrior may not have been aware of this, I decided to mention this leading cause of computer hardware failure.
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> </o>Oh but I do know what I’m talking about, not to mention every single one of my client trust my knowledge and experience. I’m just sorry if it’s not what you like to hear.
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BustaMo
Bucho, there is no need to talking trash back to someone who made a non-threatening post. So maybe your views and beliefs are different or the facts you have are different; you don't have to be an ass about things though. Just post your stuff, and try to help out. Belittling someone on the internet gets you no-where.
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Bill Gates
Intel or AMD?
I would have to go with Intel cause I have been using it more than AMD and cause I never had a PC with a AMD processor in it.So yeah thats what I am going to have to go with since Intel rocks.
I would have to go with Intel cause I have been using it more than AMD and cause I never had a PC with a AMD processor in it.So yeah thats what I am going to have to go with since Intel rocks.
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OK, agreed - so long as you don't try to make anymore authoritative statements about things that you don't know about. (which it appears you have done in your reply) I am only calling you on your claims.<o
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> </o>That's not true, at all. If it were, they would be out of business. Remember, AMD is the sole competitor against INTEL chipsets.
No, it doesn't...
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> </o>Then you know how server processors relate to PC processors, right? No explanation necessary, I assume. And you must know that there are performance parallels between the consumer grade and server grade processors, right?
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Yes, my "error correcting software" is called Windows XP x64 edition.
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> </o>Now see, this is why I engaged you in the first place. Instead of *asking* me where I got my information, you have basically called me a dumbass, and explained basic computing theory to me.
I'll save my fingers, and just ask you to do a Google search for "direct connect architecture". Please feel free to post the results of your findings.
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> </o>Please post those benchmarks. I can only find one Intel benchmark that trumps AMD for memory addressing. And for 64-bit, it seems that the awards still go to AMD. But I don't care if Intel *is* a better processor. It isn't always better at all things, to be sure. (which is why I own both types, for very specific tasks) My argument is not about which is better - just about living in a world of facts, not opinions or rash statements.
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Yes, I won't argue this. In fact, that was the point that I was making, if you keep reading. I have already had to change a SET of cooling fans in one of my macines. Not that this is altogether common in today's hardware...
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Umm... No, it's not... I was incorrect when I told you that I did not see a blue screen of death on my AMD machine. I actually saw it once when I did not have one of my case fans plugged in. The processor oveheated, and the blue screen told me so.
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Wrong again. A dead CPU fan with the heat sink still attached will give you minutes, but most of the time this will only cause performance issues with freezing on Intel systems and complete burn out in minutes on an AMD systems. Now, if the heat sink and fan are intentional removed while the PC is in use, then (“really”) its more like 2 or 3 seconds.
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That video didn't prove your point.
How does a fansink not under power provide more life than a processor open to the air? (note - it will, but marginally) Mind you, the short failure is AMD only, so I should be happily proving your point.
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> </o>That's very immature. The "you" was an open ended statement aimed at anyone so slovenly and lazy that they don't clean their sensitive electronic equipment. (not "you" personally) I'm not playing semantic games, though, so I refuse to even acknowledge this poiint again.
Which can be overcome by a very well known phenomenon called "cleaning". You do it to your car, your house, and even your underware. How much more so should it be done to your valuable electronics.
Much more commonly, it breeds little bunnies which weave a web of dirty hair over all the cooling holes and slots, even clogging heatsinks. Those are the real killers.
It's good that you do educate them. But it's nothing that cannot be found in any owner's manual. So the blame for such things still falls back on the owner. Failure to educate oneself about the proper operation of any piece of technology can (usually) only be attributed to the primary user. Lawyers make sure that companies spend all sorts of money to protect them from the "I didn't know" defense. If we aren't educated by now on how to use our consumer products - read between the lines - how to read the *instructions* - then God help us all....
But I applaud you for taking the time, even if I don't agree with you on all points.
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What I like to hear is the facts - good, bad, or indifferent. Take that however you like.
Nice chatting with you.
To the moderator - relax. You've got real trolls and flamers around here. I'm a pussycat by comparison to most of your real villains.
*Shakes Head*
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Lol… Well I think you’re Trolling! All you’ve done is dissect my posts with nothing but attacks, nonsense and spin as well as constantly change the subject with more nonsense.
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I could careless where you got your information. Yes, the Internet is a wonderful source of information, but it also has a lot of misinformation. It just depends on what you “YOU” choose to believe. Also, I never called you dumbass; I simply pointed out that your information was incorrect.
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Also, again, it’s not computing “theory”; it happens to be fact on how a common computer works with its embedded hardware (It’s a Proven Science).
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Alright, enough SPIN on this subject. Here are the Facts!
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Yes, yes… Direct Connect Architecture, AMD’s attempt at trying to reinvent the wheel through marketing.
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I have no need to Google it; I’m well versed on how Direct Connect Architecture works. It’s creative, but I assure you it’s nothing new. Instead of the Front Side Bus being built into the Motherboard’s Bus Controller, AMD built the Front Side Bus Controller into the Processor itself. Bottom line, there’s still a Front Side Bus regulating the clock frequency between the core hardware regardless of whether its built onto the Motherboard or into the Processor.
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Can you drive a car without its transmission / transaxle?... No.
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Same goes for a computer; it won’t run unless there’s some type of Front Side Bus regulating the speed at which the data flows between the core devices.
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Now AMD and AMD fan sites can make all the (misleading) claims they want on that subject, for AMD, it’s all just a marketing tactic geared at changing the terminology and tricking the average consumer into thinking they have a superior product over the competition. I assure you, the basic FSB controller is still there, it just happens to be controlled by a different piece of hardware in that AMD environment, nothing more!
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Oh… Right… Right! Forgive me, I… I believe you.
As for the rest of what you said... *shrugs* Sorry, it’s all nonsense and not worth responding to.
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> </o>Lol… Well I think you’re Trolling! All you’ve done is dissect my posts with nothing but attacks, nonsense and spin as well as constantly change the subject with more nonsense.
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> </o>I could careless where you got your information. Yes, the Internet is a wonderful source of information, but it also has a lot of misinformation. It just depends on what you “YOU” choose to believe. Also, I never called you dumbass; I simply pointed out that your information was incorrect.
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> </o>Also, again, it’s not computing “theory”; it happens to be fact on how a common computer works with its embedded hardware (It’s a Proven Science).
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> </o>Alright, enough SPIN on this subject. Here are the Facts!
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> </o>Yes, yes… Direct Connect Architecture, AMD’s attempt at trying to reinvent the wheel through marketing.
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> </o>I have no need to Google it; I’m well versed on how Direct Connect Architecture works. It’s creative, but I assure you it’s nothing new. Instead of the Front Side Bus being built into the Motherboard’s Bus Controller, AMD built the Front Side Bus Controller into the Processor itself. Bottom line, there’s still a Front Side Bus regulating the clock frequency between the core hardware regardless of whether its built onto the Motherboard or into the Processor.
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> </o>Can you drive a car without its transmission / transaxle?... No.
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> </o>Same goes for a computer; it won’t run unless there’s some type of Front Side Bus regulating the speed at which the data flows between the core devices.
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> </o>Now AMD and AMD fan sites can make all the (misleading) claims they want on that subject, for AMD, it’s all just a marketing tactic geared at changing the terminology and tricking the average consumer into thinking they have a superior product over the competition. I assure you, the basic FSB controller is still there, it just happens to be controlled by a different piece of hardware in that AMD environment, nothing more!
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> </o>Oh… Right… Right! Forgive me, I… I believe you.
As for the rest of what you said... *shrugs* Sorry, it’s all nonsense and not worth responding to.
Althalus Kirvar
Mystic Wanderer
I've always have been an AMD fan mainly cause they are the underdogs.