What about Cloud? He went into a coma and people consider him to be the best ff hero of all time. A character going into a coma doesn't make them a bad character it is just part of the plot. Hell Rinoa had more of a reason to be comatose then Cloud. Seriously what is more reasonable; a person goes into a coma because of abnormal brain patterns, or because they fall into a mass of consciousness when they have cells inside of them that allows them to be able to handle it. Me personally I think the first one would be more reasonable and more realistic. In other words Rinoa caused less drama then Cloud yet you don't seem to hate Cloud. Interesting.
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.SEPHIROTH.
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On the contrary I DESPISE CLOUD I think he was flat out a moron who couldnt figure out who he was and who he was sucked so bad his subconscious pretended he was someone of significance dont make the assumption that because i like sephiroth that i like cloud.....
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There's no need to get angry about it! What's that got to do with Rinoa, anyway?
I never used to like Rinoa, I thought she was just a bit petty, and I thought that she'd weaved some sort of spell over Squall to get him to fancy her. But that's because I never had her in my party. I started to replay the game over the summer and decided to give her a chance, so she was in my party a lot more, which meant that I saw a lot more of the interaction between her and Squall, which made me realise that it wasn't an all of a sudden thing, but it had been growing since they first met. And I no longer disliked her either.
I never used to like Rinoa, I thought she was just a bit petty, and I thought that she'd weaved some sort of spell over Squall to get him to fancy her. But that's because I never had her in my party. I started to replay the game over the summer and decided to give her a chance, so she was in my party a lot more, which meant that I saw a lot more of the interaction between her and Squall, which made me realise that it wasn't an all of a sudden thing, but it had been growing since they first met. And I no longer disliked her either.
Platinum_Lies
Blue Mage
It seems the recurring theme for the Rinoa "hatred" is the fact that she is a confused and scared girl who actually demonstrates some weakness during these severely trying events.
I guess people really don't like a more normal teenage girl and instead prefer the hardened warrior that doesn't falter under pressure from time to time.
I guess people really don't like a more normal teenage girl and instead prefer the hardened warrior that doesn't falter under pressure from time to time.
RINOA DEFENSE
She and Seifer were Over I'm pretty sure as she speaks of him in a past tense here>
Rinoa: I...really liked him. He was always full of confidence, smart...
Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world.
Selphie: Your boyfriend?
Rinoa: I don't really know. I... I think I was in love. I wonder how he
felt...?
Selphie: Do you still like him?
Rinoa: If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer...
I was 16. Lots of fond memories...
< Vee-ry past tense gives you the feel that they are NOT together any more so her flirting and playing around with Squall is really no Biggy.
She wanted to help for once and this was going to be her chance to prove to every body that she was of use to the squad and that she could come in handy, not to mention she HATES to be alone so helping the group out this hugely would rid of that thought in every ones minds, Especially in Quistis'.
It was his dream, not like he was really manipulated into it and yeah she DOES try and stop him...Wait no she wasn't even there when it happened..
The mysterious sorceress and Seifer disappeared at the scene. Later, Rinoa
appeared at the scene.
Rinoa: Hey guys! Where's Seifer?
Squall: We don't know.
Rinoa: He'll be ok, right?
She didn't make him, he was doing it for a Friend she asked him once and he took it to the next level by going to Squall in the middle of a WAR. Rinoa asked Zell for a Ring like Squalls LONG before the war started
She doesn't want to be left behind i.e. Alone, She wants to be strong for her FRIENDS, Squall and to become like Squall.
Damn you for being the next sorceress Rinoa! This would've happened anyway XD It had to, it was in Ultimecia's will, she controlled time so yeah she basically chooses what happens and when.
She said this privately to Squall did she not? not to the WHOLE group so no it didn't bring the group down, I'm pretty sure Squall wants to share the burden of the girl he LOVES.
She wants everyone to be Open. Squall and everyone else, The rest of them do the same I don't think they ever shy'd away from talking about their feelings did they? and did Rinoa prevent them from doing so?
I do disagree, No. I highly disagree matter of Fact I don't know what FFVIII you played to get this view of her
No, it was in my opinion, no different then any other FF heroine, Aerith went off and died matter of fact, if we are speaking of causeing stress and such then...Cloud gave the black Materia to Sephiroth damn him!
And wait ~ Didn't Rosa go off and get kidnapped by Golbez? Because she wouldn't step back and Listen to Cecil?
Golbez: Silence!
Golbez blasts Yang and Edward with a lightning spell.
Golbez: Get the Crystal.
Kain: Yes, sire.
Rosa: Kain, please!
Cecil: No, Rosa!
Kain: !
Cecil: Rosa, no...
Golbez: So, you cherish this woman? Then I shall take her with me to raise the
stakes. Until next time.
Golbez takes Rosa.
~ and Hold on didn't Aerith, Yuna, Ashelia and Lenna also get into danger or get kidnapped countless times? Must have caused a lot of "Panic and Stress" for the rescuers [Cloud, Tidua, Balthier and Co., Butz, Cecil, Squall etc.]...
Wait no they are Heroines and that's how it goes girl gets in trouble girl gets saved by boy.
So...It seems she ain't such a step back after all, eh?
I've never seen someone openly hate Cloud before, they usually pose as a fan of him
Props I personally Love Sephy more than Cloud but I don't hate Cloud.
Either way the way you put him was funny XD
She and Seifer were Over I'm pretty sure as she speaks of him in a past tense here>
Rinoa: I...really liked him. He was always full of confidence, smart...
Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world.
Selphie: Your boyfriend?
Rinoa: I don't really know. I... I think I was in love. I wonder how he
felt...?
Selphie: Do you still like him?
Rinoa: If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer...
I was 16. Lots of fond memories...
< Vee-ry past tense gives you the feel that they are NOT together any more so her flirting and playing around with Squall is really no Biggy.
She wanted to help for once and this was going to be her chance to prove to every body that she was of use to the squad and that she could come in handy, not to mention she HATES to be alone so helping the group out this hugely would rid of that thought in every ones minds, Especially in Quistis'.
It was his dream, not like he was really manipulated into it and yeah she DOES try and stop him...Wait no she wasn't even there when it happened..
The mysterious sorceress and Seifer disappeared at the scene. Later, Rinoa
appeared at the scene.
Rinoa: Hey guys! Where's Seifer?
Squall: We don't know.
Rinoa: He'll be ok, right?
She didn't make him, he was doing it for a Friend she asked him once and he took it to the next level by going to Squall in the middle of a WAR. Rinoa asked Zell for a Ring like Squalls LONG before the war started
She doesn't want to be left behind i.e. Alone, She wants to be strong for her FRIENDS, Squall and to become like Squall.
Damn you for being the next sorceress Rinoa! This would've happened anyway XD It had to, it was in Ultimecia's will, she controlled time so yeah she basically chooses what happens and when.
She said this privately to Squall did she not? not to the WHOLE group so no it didn't bring the group down, I'm pretty sure Squall wants to share the burden of the girl he LOVES.
She wants everyone to be Open. Squall and everyone else, The rest of them do the same I don't think they ever shy'd away from talking about their feelings did they? and did Rinoa prevent them from doing so?
I do disagree, No. I highly disagree matter of Fact I don't know what FFVIII you played to get this view of her
No, it was in my opinion, no different then any other FF heroine, Aerith went off and died matter of fact, if we are speaking of causeing stress and such then...Cloud gave the black Materia to Sephiroth damn him!
And wait ~ Didn't Rosa go off and get kidnapped by Golbez? Because she wouldn't step back and Listen to Cecil?
Golbez: Silence!
Golbez blasts Yang and Edward with a lightning spell.
Golbez: Get the Crystal.
Kain: Yes, sire.
Rosa: Kain, please!
Cecil: No, Rosa!
Kain: !
Cecil: Rosa, no...
Golbez: So, you cherish this woman? Then I shall take her with me to raise the
stakes. Until next time.
Golbez takes Rosa.
~ and Hold on didn't Aerith, Yuna, Ashelia and Lenna also get into danger or get kidnapped countless times? Must have caused a lot of "Panic and Stress" for the rescuers [Cloud, Tidua, Balthier and Co., Butz, Cecil, Squall etc.]...
Wait no they are Heroines and that's how it goes girl gets in trouble girl gets saved by boy.
So...It seems she ain't such a step back after all, eh?
I've never seen someone openly hate Cloud before, they usually pose as a fan of him
Props I personally Love Sephy more than Cloud but I don't hate Cloud.Either way the way you put him was funny XD
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StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
Aqua I completely agree, good job on clearing those things up!
Rinoa's the damsel in distress, there has to be one to keep things interesting - especially if there's going to be a love story. It's very typical in RPG's for the girl to be captured/getting herself into a bad situation for the guy to come and save her. They can't all be strong and mighty like Tifa, girl's aren't like that. As was mentioned, Aeris caused Cloud and the group a lot of stress by taking matters into her own hands and
Also Yuna caused Tidus and the group a lot of stress by getting captured and taken to Bevelle to marry Seymour. You can probably get loads of examples, not just from Rinoa. I'm sure there a lot of the things the guys have done to cause stress too, lol.
I definitely don't think she was dating Seifer when she meets Squall. I don't remember it ever being mentioned in the game that she was. Even going by that bit of dialogue it didn't seem they were ever a couple. It just looked like they had a bit of a thing but it wasn't serious. She said it was last summer, so it was probably over the year before. The way she talks about him in past tense shows for a fact they're not seeing each other anymore. I think this had to be done so people wouldn't think she was cheating when she becomes interested in Squall.
Edit: I found this bit of the script which proves even more that her and Seifer were finished the year before.
Seifer: Rinoa, what are you doing here? You gonna fight me, too? Come
on, remember a year ago we...
Her father tried to lock her in on purpose so she wouldn't disrupt things. She first talked over what she wanted to do with Quistis and the rest of the group. Quistis really got angry with her and wouldn't really give her a chance. You can understand why she would have wanted to prove herself, and to be a part of the mission. Even though what she did was very stupid, she only wanted to help. I think if things like this didn't happen, would the game have been as good? It makes things more interesting.
So most of these quotes completely disprove what you thought of her and what happened!
I like Rinoa. I think people are also forgetting the good things about her. She was very caring and always tried to do the right thing to help others. She helped Squall come out of his shell too. Yeah she might have been annoying sometimes, but what girl isn't?
Rinoa's the damsel in distress, there has to be one to keep things interesting - especially if there's going to be a love story. It's very typical in RPG's for the girl to be captured/getting herself into a bad situation for the guy to come and save her. They can't all be strong and mighty like Tifa, girl's aren't like that. As was mentioned, Aeris caused Cloud and the group a lot of stress by taking matters into her own hands and
getting killed!
I definitely don't think she was dating Seifer when she meets Squall. I don't remember it ever being mentioned in the game that she was. Even going by that bit of dialogue it didn't seem they were ever a couple. It just looked like they had a bit of a thing but it wasn't serious. She said it was last summer, so it was probably over the year before. The way she talks about him in past tense shows for a fact they're not seeing each other anymore. I think this had to be done so people wouldn't think she was cheating when she becomes interested in Squall.
Edit: I found this bit of the script which proves even more that her and Seifer were finished the year before.
Seifer: Rinoa, what are you doing here? You gonna fight me, too? Come
on, remember a year ago we...
Her father tried to lock her in on purpose so she wouldn't disrupt things. She first talked over what she wanted to do with Quistis and the rest of the group. Quistis really got angry with her and wouldn't really give her a chance. You can understand why she would have wanted to prove herself, and to be a part of the mission. Even though what she did was very stupid, she only wanted to help. I think if things like this didn't happen, would the game have been as good? It makes things more interesting.
So most of these quotes completely disprove what you thought of her and what happened!
I like Rinoa. I think people are also forgetting the good things about her. She was very caring and always tried to do the right thing to help others. She helped Squall come out of his shell too. Yeah she might have been annoying sometimes, but what girl isn't?
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.Tifa
Happiness can not be taken away~
Cloud did go through horrible and deadly experiments for five years straight though which lead to schizophrenic behavior and then later he sees his best friend.. his only friend get shot right several times right in front of his eyes. He didn't go into a coma but more of a vegetable state like those injured people in hospital, he was paralyzed... though have to agree on the fact that Cloud caused ALOT of drama... .
Aqua said:
Lenna and Rosa were created in 94- 90. Were seeing strong and independent female leads were pretty rare and the damsel in distress role were pretty common. But yeah Rosa caused alot of stress for Cecil getting sick and then later getting abducted. Not to mention she causes alot of pain for Kain because of him having strong feelings towards her and then rejecting those feelings for love in return. But Rinoa was created in 99- 00 were it should of been more common for woman to be a little more stronger and a little more independent. Rinoa did want to become a leader of a rebel group for Timber's Independence which is some strength but did she really have been saved every 5 minutes by Squall ?? xD
Garnet who came after Rinoa yeah she did get into trouble now and again and she was pretty naive but she was strong and independent. She wanted to have the strength of returning her mother to her formal self and stop Kuja from turning her Mother to the path of greed remember her even saying .. " No I have to move on and do things without Zidane try and be strong without his help ". Kind of thing. Even at the beginning she didn't even want Zidane's help. She wanted to stop Kuja and free her Mother from greed by her self. She even managed to work out how to escape from her castle alone and make the escape by herself. She wasn't scared to take a few risks and even swing on a rope..
Rinoa would of begged/ flirted with Squall to try and help her out..
Squall would of said no and then Rinoa would of gotten stuck by the sides of Alexandria castle for hours...
Yuna is the same because she tries to be strong and independent and even face Death at the age of 17 ? It's not her fault a priest/ Mage faces her to the creepy level of kidnapping her and forcing her into marriage.. even when the whole world hates her for injuring Seymour she keeps on moving forward and she keeps on trying to be strong no matter what. Remember her speech to Kimarhi's race in the mountains by Zanakand ? They told her to give up// go home but she refused and proved to them that she did have the mental- strength to move forward into Zanakand. Rinoa in Yuna's case would of broken down and have to admit that alot of people in Yuna's case would of broken down..
Yuna's story was really tough..
StarGirl87 said:
Reckon that one thing amazing/ awesome about Rinoa is that she had a amazing heart and she really cared about others and yeah she helped Squall get through his depression and because of her Squall was able to trust people again and she noticed on the Airship that Squall had missed out on so many things because of his rough childhood and she wanted to help out/ care/ be there for him..
Random/ Offtopic- I HAATE Advent Children Cloud and wish that Sephiroth would smack him with his sword and then SIT on him.... >_>'';
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StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
Rinoa wasn't that bad, it's not like throughout the entire game she pleaded everyone to help her. She was how a normal girl would react in those situations really. I think she was made to be more dependent on people so Squall would get attached to her. If she was really strong and tough then she wouldn't have needed Squall or SeeD in the first place really! Yes she said she was scared when bad things happened and didn't act all strong and brave how some of the leading girls would have acted. So? It doesn't make her the worst leading girl. Just normal.
Reckon that one thing amazing/ awesome about Rinoa is that she had a amazing heart and she really cared about others and yeah she helped Squall get through his depression and because of her Squall was able to trust people again and she noticed on the Airship that Squall had missed out on so many things because of his rough childhood and she wanted to help out/ care/ be there for him..
Exactly! I loved that scene in the Ragnarok. I don't think anyone would have tried as much to get Squall to open up. She really showed she cared about him! She was strong and persistent enough to get through to him when no one else could, hehe.
Actually... When they got off the Ragnarok and her powers had to be sealed because she was now a sorceress. Did she not act strong there? She didn't resist and wine about it. She accepted what had happened and went with them straight away. She understood what she had to do and wanted to do the right thing. Squall told her not to go but she still did, even though she just wanted to be with him. There were other moments where she could have moaned about and shown weakness in but she didn't. She handled becoming a sorceress well if I remember.
So? who cares when they were created, they are still main FF girls and thats how the story goes, the girl gets saved. Rinoa wanted to be strong on her own, she just had trouble getting there, and I think the way Rinoa ahndled being a sorceress was pretty brave if not as brave as Yuna going to die to rid Spira fo Sin, Rinoa bravely decided to be put away and basically die to make sure she didn't become a sorceress isn't that the same as what Yuna did with Sin?
So because Garnet SAID strong things it makes her oh so much better than Rinoa? If I recall right Rinoa has said and done a few strong things herself.
These things may have been in vein because she failed but she still went there and did it more than a lot of the FF girls could have said, just because it ended as a failure doesn't demean her will for doing it she got to the roof and faced the sorceress thats good enough I say.
Rinoa wouldn't have begged for help okay and if she would PLEASE give me an example because admitting you were scared isn't the same as B-E-G-G-I-N-G.
Sorry did she break down whilst heading towards Sorceress Memorial? No the correct answer is no she did not. So you saying that she would have broken down, begged, or cried like a baby shows me that you haven't the slightest Idea of Rinoa's Character.
StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
I was going to quote some of those parts too. I think it shows she was still very strong, even if she was scared. As the game went on she became even stronger being with Squall and the group.
Here's another quote:
Laguna: Good! Next, we [wait] for Sorceress Ultimecia to possess Rinoa!
This'll be hard on you, Rinoa, but will you do it?
Rinoa: ...Yes.
And another...
Rinoa: (Am I...gonna make it...?) (How?) (I can't do anything...)
(Drifting...endlessly.) (I'm helpless...)
Rinoa's life support is low.
Rinoa: (No...) (I'm...) (That's it.) (I'm gonna...) (I'm gonna...die.)
Rinoa's life support has terminated.
Rinoa: (Good bye.) (Squall...)
....
Rinoa: Squall...thank you. I heard your voice.
Squall: ...I can't believe it.
Rinoa: Are we gonna make it?
She acted pretty strong here too when she was so close to death.
She showed bravery a lot of times, just because your scared it doesn't mean your not strong or brave.
Here's another quote:
Laguna: Good! Next, we [wait] for Sorceress Ultimecia to possess Rinoa!
This'll be hard on you, Rinoa, but will you do it?
Rinoa: ...Yes.
And another...
Rinoa: (Am I...gonna make it...?) (How?) (I can't do anything...)
(Drifting...endlessly.) (I'm helpless...)
Rinoa's life support is low.
Rinoa: (No...) (I'm...) (That's it.) (I'm gonna...) (I'm gonna...die.)
Rinoa's life support has terminated.
Rinoa: (Good bye.) (Squall...)
....
Rinoa: Squall...thank you. I heard your voice.
Squall: ...I can't believe it.
Rinoa: Are we gonna make it?
She acted pretty strong here too when she was so close to death.
She showed bravery a lot of times, just because your scared it doesn't mean your not strong or brave.
.Tifa
Happiness can not be taken away~
..I do because it was rare to see a tough strong female lead back when Lenna and Rosa were created. The same time Rosa was created Chun- Li was shocking the media by being a female in a fighting game.. When Rinoa was created there was plenty of female fighters and it was no big deal and Lara Croft was going around solving puzzles..
Not all the time sometimes the man gets saved too ie- Zell in the Prison had to be saved by Squall and Cloud had be saved by Tifa while he was paralyzed on the wheelchair..
Irvine needed saving in the Parade because of the pressure he was facing, he needed Squall's talk and support to keep him going strong..
Rinoa wanted to free Timber for Independence and do to get back her Father. Rinoa felt like she was going be hunted down and hated by the public and she was even worried that Squall wasn't going to protect her. She wanted to be put away into Space so she wouldn't become the Worlds worst enemy or be killed by Squall's blade. It's kind of almost the same thing Yuna did. Though feel like Yuna wanted peace for the world and to free the world of sin while kind of feel like Rinoa didn't want to go through a horrible future and the pain of being a sorceress.. she was scared of the future ...
Garnet did more than just saying she acted the escaping from the castle, using the sleeping weed to stop Zidane from making her feel weak, her heading all the way back home and taking that huge risk [ though she was naive thinking her Mum would Listen xD] And even trying to stop Kuja from killing her Mother while among the Lifa Tree and then after.. taking the responsibility of becoming Queen..
Rinoa took a risk too and she tried to hardest to be like Squall and the SeeDs and she didn't want her Father to make her feel weak let him push him herside what Rinoa did during the Parade was every brave but very stupid. Though don't dislike Rinoa for that because it was kinda realistic and it's very human to make mistakes and then regret it later// Beg for help... Isn't surprised Rinoa broken down during the parade anybody would, epsically if you had two big monsters chasing after you..
She was keeping her true feelings inside and she wanted to act strong in front of Squall.
Kinda of a weird thing to say when you don't even know me... We just have two different views on Rinoa's character you reckon that she is strong and brave and that she Does make a Good female lead role while I agree on the idea that Rinoa is too dramatic and a little whiny and isn't as good as other female Final Fantasy lead roles... though despite that believe that she does have a good heart and she does try her hardest to be a supporter of the team and almost like the leader that tries out to bring the best in others/ her friends..
... Just because somebody has a different opinion on a character doesn't mean that they don't know the character.. ..
StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
I just have to respond to some of the stuff you've said.
What does this have to do with anything at all? How does this matter? Just because at the time it was no big deal to see stronger and more tough leading females, doesn't mean Rinoa had to be? I don't see your point.
You can say that about anyone really. Of course any character is going to need saving once in a awhile, male or female. Girls can easily get captured / make mistakes in tough situations. They like being rescued by their knight in shining armour. What girl wouldn't want to be rescued by the man she loves? It's a fantasy, and it's a fantasy game.
Yuna was more determined and her main focus was to save the world. BUT, she knew this for a long time. She had enough time to think about it and was dead set in her ways. Rinoa became a sorceress quickly with no choice. She was brave with what she had to deal with though, similar to Yuna. It's just that Yuna never really showed she was scared. Like I said that doesn't mean Rinoa wasn't brave or strong, just because she was scared. Maybe Yuna bottled her emotions in more? I find it quite unbelievable for a person in that situation not to be scared. So Rinoa maybe not acting as tough as Yuna doesn't mean she was a bad leading girl. Is that really worth degrading her character? Does that make her worse than other female leads?
Even though Rinoa showed she was more worried about what would happen to her. I'm sure she didn't want to hurt people and cause chaos either.
Rinoa: I want to stay away from places where there are lots of people...
I'm a sorceress. If Ultimecia possesses me again...
This to me sounds like she thought of what she might do to people.
Descendant 2: Come with us. We must seal your power for the sake of the
world.
Rinoa: ......All right.Rinoa: (to Squall) ...I should tell you this before I go. I was possessed out in space. There was a sorceress inside me. Ultimecia, a sorceress from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world. She, and no other.
As long as I'm free, she'll continue to use me to accomplish her goal. I... We can't let that happen, right...? ...I should go now. (to the descendant) ......I'm ready.
This also sounds like she's not just thinking of herself, but what Ultimecia will do. For the sake of the world.
In any case. Wouldn't most people think more about what would happen to them? It doesn't make you less of a person, or 'whiny'.
What girl isn't dramatic and a little whiny anyway?
You think she makes a bad female lead because of that? The good things you've described about her show she's a good person and a good character. If you don't like her, that's fine and that's your own opinion. But if people say they don't like a character because of certain reasons they believe which aren't exactly true, I will defend that character.
What does this have to do with anything at all? How does this matter? Just because at the time it was no big deal to see stronger and more tough leading females, doesn't mean Rinoa had to be? I don't see your point.
You can say that about anyone really. Of course any character is going to need saving once in a awhile, male or female. Girls can easily get captured / make mistakes in tough situations. They like being rescued by their knight in shining armour. What girl wouldn't want to be rescued by the man she loves? It's a fantasy, and it's a fantasy game.
Yuna was more determined and her main focus was to save the world. BUT, she knew this for a long time. She had enough time to think about it and was dead set in her ways. Rinoa became a sorceress quickly with no choice. She was brave with what she had to deal with though, similar to Yuna. It's just that Yuna never really showed she was scared. Like I said that doesn't mean Rinoa wasn't brave or strong, just because she was scared. Maybe Yuna bottled her emotions in more? I find it quite unbelievable for a person in that situation not to be scared. So Rinoa maybe not acting as tough as Yuna doesn't mean she was a bad leading girl. Is that really worth degrading her character? Does that make her worse than other female leads?
Even though Rinoa showed she was more worried about what would happen to her. I'm sure she didn't want to hurt people and cause chaos either.
Rinoa: I want to stay away from places where there are lots of people...
I'm a sorceress. If Ultimecia possesses me again...
This to me sounds like she thought of what she might do to people.
Descendant 2: Come with us. We must seal your power for the sake of the
world.
Rinoa: ......All right.Rinoa: (to Squall) ...I should tell you this before I go. I was possessed out in space. There was a sorceress inside me. Ultimecia, a sorceress from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world. She, and no other.
As long as I'm free, she'll continue to use me to accomplish her goal. I... We can't let that happen, right...? ...I should go now. (to the descendant) ......I'm ready.
This also sounds like she's not just thinking of herself, but what Ultimecia will do. For the sake of the world.
In any case. Wouldn't most people think more about what would happen to them? It doesn't make you less of a person, or 'whiny'.
What girl isn't dramatic and a little whiny anyway?
You think she makes a bad female lead because of that? The good things you've described about her show she's a good person and a good character. If you don't like her, that's fine and that's your own opinion. But if people say they don't like a character because of certain reasons they believe which aren't exactly true, I will defend that character.
.Tifa
Happiness can not be taken away~
What does this have to do with anything at all? How does this matter? Just because at the time it was no big deal to see stronger and more tough leading females, doesn't mean Rinoa had to be? I don't see your point.
Aqua mentioned above that it doesn't matter what time a female character was created in she is either weak or strong time of character creation doesn't matter.. and was disagreeing to her point that the time of character creation does matter because of how times have changed and the time of Rinoa's creation
.It was kinda sad to head back to the old stereotypical days of girl= damsel = saved by guy. And during 1999 we had kind of moved away from those times. Look at Terra Branford Tifa Lockhart and Celes Chere those were the females that broke the damsel in distress mold and then Rinoa comes along and then brings the stereotype back that we tried so hard to brake away from..??
Try saying that to Lighting from Final Fantasy XIII ...not all females love being rescued most girls these days would probably prefer to solve the problem themselves...
Yeah Yuna did bottle in her emotions think she had to because of her duty still it makes her stronger because it's not easy to keep those kind of emotions in. Most people would be prone to snap or have a psycho fit but Yunie stayed calm. Yuna was scared, she broke down in front of Tidus in tears but the fantasy of escaping with Tidus to Zanakand kept her sane.. just because a person keep his/ her emotions in doesn't mean that they secretly crying for support and reckon that it's more realistic to be like a Yuna and kept in your emotions unlike Rinoa's case where a man suddenly turns up and makes everything okay... how many men have you known suddenly appear during your worst moments- ? and become your[ * Knight in Shiny Amour * ] ? =p
Yes it does make her a bad female lead because girls who will play FF8 will look up to her and believe that Rinoa can send a bad message to them. She can send good messages across because of her kind- heart and supporting leadership but the fact that Rinoa sends the message across to panic in situations not to stay calm and rely on your boyfriend to do everything scares me a little bit..
No she didn't .. that's why she wanted to sacrifice her life and head into space..But Rinoa did whine.... alot like somebody else said before the debate began.. Rinoa had quite alot of " Woe is me " speeches.. xD
What girl isn't dramatic and a little whiny anyway?
Not all females are whiny and dramatic please respect your own gender a little more..
There is alot of tough independent and hardworking females out there and some wouldn't be able to moan or be whiny because of the tough situations that they are in..
They may be living in a slum and they would be very grateful for the small things..
Rinoa is a alright character but like/ hate don't have any of those kind of feelings for her it's more of a lack of respect.. I know what's like to be screaming in pain and be grabbing on to somebody's hand in be paranoid in fear I have been there.. but didn't whine about it or try and drag Friends into it my making speeches about the pain I was in..
Glad you are loyal to your favorites and glad that you take the work and effort of defending the characters that you like that is really awesome dedication..
But would rather respect a character like Lighting who doesn't take crap from anybody..
Don't know maybe the weak look up to the strong while the strong respect the soft..
=3
StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
Why is that sad? Who says we tried so hard to break away from that? Did you know all the main storylines in RPG's are stereotypical too? Garnet needed saving by Zidane a few times, so did Aeris, Yuna, etc. It wasn't just happening to Rinoa. Would people prefer a game where the girl kept rescuing the guy? Like I said it's a typical fantasy among women to be rescued by the guy they like. It gives more purpose/drive to find the bad guy.
Well seeing as XIII isn't out I don't really know anything about her.
Yeah I'm sure any girl would like to solve a problem by themselves if they can, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't like a man to sweep her off her feet.
Yeah she broke down in tears with Tidus, she was scared and didn't want to quit her pilgrimage. I don't think it was so realistic what Yuna did though, keeping her emotions to herself. Girls are emotional and prefer to express their feelings. They like the support of their loved ones through tough times. Sure a lot would keep their emotions inside, but that's not usual or healthy really.
I don't know many knights, that's why we're talking about an rpg game here.
I'm pretty sure most girls would want their bf or romantic interest to save them if they're in trouble. Or to come to their side and help them during a time of need. Just because a girl is more like "I don't need a man" and prefer to deal with things themselves, doesn't mean she's better or more tough. If that's the kind of girl you like then fair enough. It doesn't make Rinoa less of a character or a bad female lead, it's all about opinions. Just like lots of people hate Squall, and lots love him. No one's going to like everyone's personalities.So girls will only look up to the ones that act strong all the time and don't express their emotions/feelings? That's not such a great thing you know. I don't think Rinoa sends a bad message just because she's more the damsel in distress kind of girl. She wasn't horrible and weak or anything. We already proved in those quotes/examples she was strong. Did she panic when she became a sorceress? Did she panic in space when she was about to die? Did she panic when the people from Esthar wanted to take her? Did she ever really act weak other than being scared? She went through a lot in the game.
I do respect my own gender, but you can't deny the truth of the majority. Girls are usually more emotional/sensitive, moan and act dramatic about things. It doesn't make them weak or bad and I'm not disrespecting girls by saying this. We can still be very strong and tough too. Just because you don't like something and moan about it, doesn't make you less strong. I'm very sensitive and emotional, but I'm also really strong too and have dealt with a lot of tough things in my life which most people wouldn't be able to.
Rinoa only showed she was scared, just like you said you were in fear. When she whined and showed fear it was justified. When did she drag her friends into it? It's much better to talk about your problems to your friends anyway. So your saying during that time you were screaming in pain you never 'whined' about it? Never said "I'm scared", "Ouch it really hurts!"? Sorry to hear that happened to you btw, what was that... childbirth?
Humans are not robots. We should express how we feel. Rinoa is the kind of person who's open and honest with her feelings, as her profile says. You shouldn't not respect her because of that, but each to their own!
This sure has dragged on, lol.
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And actualy if you think about it Yuna did to cry on her journey to death, I can't recall Rinoa crying and she didn't have choice. Zell being saved? That was comic relief not really to be taken seriously.
Your right...and the biggest FF girl step back was Tifa in Advent Children did she ever defend herself in that movie? No, she didn't she attempted to fight Loz off but then again wanting to do and doing don't seem to be the same thing here. So whats the deal with Rinoa being saved a couple times? if EVERYONE got saved at some point, some more that others we have to admit.
Rinoa was the first one to say Squall should be the one to kill her should she become evil?!?! Sorry can you show me any quotes to prove this otherwise? Rinoa wanted to make sure the worls was in peace too same EXACT thing Yuna wanted. Rinoa wasn't afraid of the furture she was the kinda girl who lived for the moment and looked to the future with hope.
Am I on glue or didn't Rinoa do the same thing to the Sorceress with the Odin Amulet? She didn't say 'Oh imma tryin' stop her' She went there and did albeit resulting in failure. Taking a HUGE risk herself in doing so. Exactly like Garnet.
[/Rinoa took a risk too and she tried to hardest to be like Squall and the SeeDs and she didn't want her Father to make her feel weak let him push him herside what Rinoa did during the Parade was every brave but very stupid. Though don't dislike Rinoa for that because it was kinda realistic and it's very human to make mistakes and then regret it later// Beg for help... Isn't surprised Rinoa broken down during the parade anybody would, epsically if you had two big monsters chasing after you.. QUOTE]
Then whats the beef?
Do you have proof that she was "Keeping her true feelings inside" or are you just filling in the blanks without it ever being said before by anyone in the game?
Well you come here insulting a good character or saying things about said character that aren't true and I might say that.
It does mean they do not know the character when they start saying things that are not true or have'nt any proof to them. Show me where Rinoa has been as weak as you have been putting her?
Kai
What about Tifa's role in Adven Children isn't that not only a HUGE step back for the 'strong female characters of the new age' [Which by the way no one wants to keep seeing Carbon Copies of the same Characters] and Tifa's original character itself? Tifa is beaten by Loz, and when we see cloud come still weak but strong enough to get up and pass out again?? Tifa is saved by Barret, Cid and Cloud through out this movie and does NOT lift a HAND to help defeat Bahamut Sin. Tifa was to say the least a Mary-Sue in this movie and come to think of it did she really do anything in FFVII accept Bitch-Slap/Cat-fight Scarlet?
Rinoa did more in VIII than Tifa did in AC. Period.
Lightning is worlds more tough than Tifa. We see and read Tifa crying through out the FFVII series numerous times, I don't think Rinoa cried but once in FFVII and she was a second from dying. Rinoa isn't too whiny now is she?
Does or Did rinoe drag firends into it show me this please because I don't remember it EVER happening, As you said before she kept her TRUE feeling sbottled inside, not whined them to others.
We [Me and Star] have been showing actual proof of the defense we have for this character and you havn't backed any of what you've said with proof to....well prove negativity you have towards her/
While people take Tifa, Lighting and other females' strength at face value they don't bother to read into what their "STRONG" characters are actually about Just because you have to actually pay more attention to see Rinoas strength doesn't mean it isn't there.
Sorry no offense is meant with what I'm saying but I really like Rinoa's Character and The unfair things I'm reading are upsetting me just a bit
number20121
Chocobo Breeder
I like Rinoa because she actually acts like a REAL 17 year old kid. And that's what she is, a kid. She is a MINOR. They act stupid sometimes.
Puberty and such things.
It's that simple.
Puberty and such things.
It's that simple.
.Tifa
Happiness can not be taken away~
Because we have... Duuh.. There is was a reason why Ripley from the Alien Movies was so popular .. Because she kicked arse. RPG's are stereotypical because they are usually based from Medieval/ Dungeon and Dragon time periods were was normal/ common for the princess/ damsel to be saved.. but Rinoa's world was sci-fi and futuristic ..
Ask Kairi haters whether they like the female being saved and being in a damsel in distress role.. they will say no.. oh wait- let me guess.. you like her too yes ??..
Well seeing as XIII isn't out I don't really know anything about her.
Yeah I'm sure any girl would like to solve a problem by themselves if they can, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't like a man to sweep her off her feet.
Watch/ Download more FF13 trailers- especially the new English 09 one..
Not every girl likes to be saved by a "Prince Charming ".. Do you also believe that all Women love to be stuck in a Kitchen and cook for the husband ??
No it's not healthy at all but it's realistic and humans do it- it's realistic for humans to be putting on a *Show * so they can look happier around others, so humans won't worry about them...
Yes- women do usually prefer to express their feelings and have support of their loved ones. But did Rinoa have to rant about that every 5 minutes.. ? Sure if Rinoa did it twice or a few times during her really tough moments her haters might respect her more. But Rinoa ranted and ranted and ranted...
.. Then how come your beating me up for believing in the opposite for your opinions ?? It's all good to say " People have different opinions and I respect that.. " but then your going " You don't like Rinoa !!- Whhy- she's good and strong and is romantic- how dare you.. ? " It's a little bit hypercritical.. Then please the respect the view and idea that not everybody is going to love Rinoa.. :/
. Humans don't have to express their feelings every 5 minutes. If you did that.. people would give you strange looks... no think that she sends a bad message across because she dumps everything on her boyfriend Squall.. and felt like Rinoa treated him like a human basket to dump all of her problems feelings and emotions in.. Men feel pain heartbreak and they feel scared too they just hide it and kept their emotions in. Sorry if it isn't healthy and you would prefer every human to express everything that they feel.
But it doesn't quite work that way, most humans are prone to keep their emotions in..
Till something really bad happens and then they break..
.. Fair enough, because Women are more open.. and they are more likely to express their emotions..
She dragged her friends into her problems by ranting- espically by the garden- everybody was feeling good and hyper about finding out they grew up together and they were all childhood friends and then all of a sudden at random- Rinoa rants about how she is feeling ignored and rejected in battles.. mean.. wtf ?
It's nice how she likes to express her feelings and how she likes to share problems with her friends but sometimes just feel like she did it sometimes to attention seek or try and get Squall to notice her, or try and make Squall fall for her..
Sorry but was trying to respect your opinions and be nice and calm. But that is low..
.. going to have to give you Negative Rep because that was just uncalled for.. maybe you don't respect woman afterall if you believe that the only pain we go through is childbirth.. >_>'';
And we do... but not every five seconds.. =___='';
Aqua said:
Yuna had alot of pressure put on her shoulders and she only cried once Yuna had pressure from her guardians and the world basically from the end to the beginning to the journey. Rinoa may of gained pressure when she became a sorceress but she had her friends to support her and Squall.. Yuna had nobody and she couldn't run too.. because she worried that she would look like a bad summoner in front of her guardians..
Heh maybe it was done in a comic relief style but it doesn't mean that Zell didn't get in trouble and got saved by Squall..
Did you watch the fight between her in loz ? Tifa defended herself and Marlene by fighting him . Tifa won but I'm so sorry that Loz was a cheating scum... Tifa was strong and Loz had to resort to cheating to knock her out.. >_>
At least Tifa fought and because of that reason AC Tifa isn't really a step backwards..
They way that your saying it is that Tifa hid at the back of the church and just basically waited for Loz to knock her out.. which she didn't..
Aqua said:
Sooo..... when Rinoa spoke to Squall on the Rangnork airship that she just wanted time to stand still and she was worried about what was going to happen in the future.. she was just joking and having a couple of shits and giggles with Squall.. ?
xD
Aqua said:
Wouldn't count as a Risk but more trying to be somebody that she wasn't .. she did that because she wanted to be SeeD like.. not to mention Garnet went through shit and really horrible events and you know what- no matter what pain she went through- no matter what village she saw got destoryed- no matter what Friends or Family she saw die..
Garnet didn't give up and she kept on moving... she didn have a moment where she fell into a mental depression but that is realistic and you could say that not all woman are like Yuna and kept their emotions in but you can't say that gaining depression isn't real.. Even then she doesn't let the depression keep her down for long and then she gets even Stronger.. name one event in Final Fantasy VIII where Rinoa doesn't let the bad crap in her life take over her .. [ After the Parade addicent.. ] >_>
Aqua said:
It was oblivious that Yuna was keeping her feelings within her.. you don't need a stick and photos and quotes to proof that out do you.. ??
That's what Forums are for Aqua to share your opinions on something.. read the Squall is a Jerk topic or something among those lines. If somebody doesn't like Rinoa then don't bash them up for it.. Because there is likers and haters.. and God Forbid if somebody ever dislikes Rinoa Heartilly.. >__>
Aqua said:
Again Loz CHEATED.. and Barret was saved by Cid during that battle as well.. Okay so trying to protect somebody who is like a son to her is doing crap all and not doing anything.. ?? umm.. okay.. Rrigghht..
Okay At Least she stood up to Scarlet and defended herself.. What would Rinoa would of done. ?. " Scarlet you shouldn't hurt me because I've been gassed and my lungs are about to choke and I miss Cloud so much, my heart is acting.. " ?? xxD
Scarlet would of pushed Rinoa over the other side of the cannon and would of laughed sadistically..
Aqua said:
How do you know when FF XIII hasn't been brought out into stores yet.. : ?
Tifa cried because her Father died she lost a parent/ slaughted right in front of her eyes..
How do we know when the graphics are ten years old.. ? Rinoa could of cried and how come crying automatically makes somebody weak now ? It's okay to rant about your feelings but it's not okay to cry ? You guys are saying that humans are not like robots..
But you guys are saying that it is.. weak to cry.. ??
Aqua said:
ORLY ? So just copying and pasting Rinoa quotes from FF Wiki makes your proof totally solid and mine not huh ??
It's only a Video games character- a couple of pixels- if your going to get upset over somebody else views then your going to get upset quite alot.. because there is a chance that somebody else is going to make another thread about a character that annoys them.. or maybe even mock/ insult that character.. have heard heaps of people insult and make fun of Sora from KH2 - it's angry and frustrating but not everybody can love Sora and not everybody can Like Rinoa...
Is going to stop debating here before the Mods see this turning into a fight and end up locking the thread.. [ got anything else to say please say it through PM.. ]
But you guys like Rinoa and I dislike Rinoa, really- that's all it is too it..
StarGirl87
Ex-Soldier
Omg.. It sounds like your trying to look for something that doesn't exist with your posting. Why would you take that as offensive? You said you know what it's like to be screaming in pain and grabbing somebody's hand. I guess I just assumed it was childbirth, sounded that way to me at the time. I didn't mean it that way at all. Lol no of course that's not the only pain women go through, jeez.
I only guessed anyway, it could have been an accident as well. Was simply curious. Why would you take it that way?Are you just trying to look for sexism in anything I say? Now your being rude. See what I mean about being sensitive?
What, just because I acknowledge the truth? Your saying if you were in trouble, you wouldn't want to be rescued by your lover? The fact is, women are weaker physically. (I suppose saying that is disrespecting my gender too?) We sometimes need a man to help us through a rough time, to stand by us. I take it your not the romantic type...
I'm not saying we need a man in order to be happy, because quite frankly they give you so much grief too. You believe I don't give women much respect? You couldn't be more further from the truth. If anything it's most men I really dislike, and I hate how sexist the world is with women. But I'm just stating facts here. Maybe you just don't want to believe them?
Anyway onto Rinoa/FF...
Yeah it's realistic to keep your emotions in, I've done it many times. It's also realistic to be more open with your feelings too, like Rinoa is. They're both different characters though, and it doesn't mean one is better than the other.
I don't remember Rinoa ranting constantly as you claim. Can you give us some examples, quotes?
I'm not beating you up. Yeah I understand we all have different opinions but like Aqua said, when you come here insulting a good character and saying things that aren't true or are unfair people are going to defend them. I'm not that passionate and childish about it saying things like "how dare you not like her!" I don't mind if people don't like her, but give proof to back your thoughts of her like we did. No good to simply say "She ranted all the time" and making it out like she ruined the game when you have no examples of this.
She didn't express her feelings every 5 minutes or 5 seconds, and what she did express was normal. No I don't want people to express every single little thing unless it was important to them / worth mentioning. Your making it sound like she ranted and ranted about unimportant things all the time and ruined the entire game. Have you been playing the same FF8?
The whole group dumped everything on Squall, they all expected things from him because he was the leader. What things are you talking about exactly that Rinoa did?
Squall and Rinoa are both stubborn characters, complete opposites in character but match each other perfectly and bring out the best in each other. Squall needed someone like Rinoa to delve into him and his thoughts.
Maybe I should say your being sexist to men too then saying they keep their emotions in? They're not all like that.
She never did that, all she said before they even found out about that was how she didn't like the idea of fighting Edea, and feeling left behind in battles. She didn't drag them into anything.
Even if she did try to get attention, is that really such a bad thing? I don't think there was anything bad about her trying to get more involved, she just didn't want to get left behind from the others. And who wouldn't want the attention from Squall?
That's just a silly thing to say. Yuna did have people she could run to, she wasn't on her own. Maybe Rinoa didn't want to look weak in front of her group? You can't say she had less pressure because she had people to support her. Yuna had A LOT of support too, especially from Tidus.
She already knew she was a sorceress and was really worried about what might happen to her. She enjoyed just being there alone with Squall with no disruptions. She wanted the present to stand still at that moment because she just wanted to be with Squall forever and not have to deal with the burden of being a sorceress. Just like Yuna was scared she might die. I'm sure everyone of us has had a moment like Rinoa's was with Squall, where you just want time to stand still because your so happy where you currently are... It's alright to feel scared of the future when you know bad things are going to happen to you and everyone around you..
I won't bother answering anymore quotes, we're just going in circles here...
I never said it's weak to cry, but it takes a strong person to not cry if they're scared or down about something. I think that's what Aqua meant.
Hang on, aren't you saying it's weak to express your emotions like Rinoa did?? Your insulting her character because she didn't keep her feelings in. Bit hypocritical of you if you don't think it's weak to cry, but Rinoa doing that is weak.
It does because it's from the actual game, not just going by what we remember. Unless your playing the game right now and paying attention to her, you can't give any solid proof. The quotes we gave show her to be strong. We've given proof to back our arguments.
Where as what you mentioned - the part in Trabia Garden when they found out about their past... was not the way it truly happened.
We all know that, lol. I'm not getting upset over it, I like debating though and when someone says things that are untrue or I don't like I'm going to address those things. Like most people here are doing. Course you can't address everything. We can all be quite passionate about gaming. FF8 is one of my favourite games. Though this has gone on way too long and is pointless...
Yeah she acts like a normal teenager. A 17 year old isn't a little kid tho as your making out, it's almost an adult. Very young, but not a kid. Wasn't like she would have just started puberty.
Anyone notice they love to make the characters really young in FF and most of them usually act much older?
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.Tifa
Happiness can not be taken away~
that's not the only pain women go through, jeez.
Know it's hard to read how people are feeling online unless they emoticon it out..
But the way that you wrote it..
Because believe in the strength of the woman gender believe that we can be stronger..
Anything wrong ?
No because know that there is Friends and Family out there okay maybe in Rinoa's case where she had no Mother or Dad.. But she had the group for support and to care for her..
Is Romantic actually, because love holding hand by hand by walking on the beach on a moonlight stroll- and sitting by each others side while watching fireworks.. and dancing Balls.... See you can be romantic without the " Knight in Shinning amour " Vision..
Isn't more opinions and views the fact that you like Rinoa and I don't. Saying Facts is kind of like almost saying 'Rinoa rules " and anybody who disagrees is wrong.. xD
Well if you prefer or like one over the other- than then you might feel like one is better than the other. But yes they are totally different characters and they all have totally different personalities, but used them for examples because felt like they were able to handle the rough moments more mentally stronger than Rinoa does..
Sorry but - we can't come in here and dislike a character ? Your defending her because you like her character and you believe that your "Facts " are correct. You and Aqua only view it as a insult because you like Rinoa, but honestly it's just a different opinion. And seeing her as a good character is from a Rinoa fan point of view..
Squall: You were...part of a resistance movement in Timber, right? Unlike others who were all talk, you took to your weapons and fought... And now you're saying all this? What happened to you?
Rinoa: I guess... I'm getting scared. Sometimes... when I'm with all of you... I... feel like we're on the same wavelength...... you know? But when the battles start happening, it's different. Everyone's tempo seems to pick up and...... I get left behind. I try to catch up, but it's no use... How far is everyone going? I can't hear anyone... Once I catch up, I wonder... Is everyone safe? Will they welcome me with open arms? ...... Is everyone ok? Will we all make it back together? When I start thinking like that...
Rinoa joined a Rebel group just must of known that she was going to end up in War or least Jail.. So don't you think saying something like that is a tad over dramatic ?
Irvine: Alright, alright...! I said I was sorry. That's why I'm here to help!
Rinoa: After I scratched you to death.
Another reason why dislike Rinoa- because of Irvine she didn't have to go home through her Fathers car which she would of hated or even walk home. And then she pushes Irvine down stairs when re-meeting Squall and co in Prison ? Pushing somebody down stairs.. ? It seems... so ungrateful..
Yes... If you played the PC version. If you have played the PC version and Rinoa is slightly different then wouldn't mind a copy..:dave:
Rinoa: Come on, get up. Let's go.
Squall: Go where?
Rinoa: Give me a tour of the Garden.
Squall: ...Is this another one of your orders?
Rinoa: No. I just want you to show me around. You know, to get acquainted with the place. Please?
Rinoa: Oh, you're just a great leader, aren't you...
Rinoa: Do you actually have fun acting so callous to your comrades?
Rinoa: What about over there?
Squall: The parking lot.
Rinoa: Squall... I really appreciate you showing me around.
Rinoa: But can you try to make it a little more fun? You know, like a normal tour?
Rinoa: Hey, let's go for a walk.
Squall: Again?
Rinoa: That was a guided tour! This time, it's a walk.
.. Pretty damn Squall really needed those breaks rather than playing Tour Guide..
Let the dude sleep/ take a rest/ recover.. he likes thinking things through..
Even if she did try to get attention, is that really such a bad thing? I don't think there was anything bad about her trying to get more involved, she just didn't want to get left behind from the others. And who wouldn't want the attention from Squall?
There is more to this world than just trying to get a boyfriend. Squall was attractive yes but do remember how cold he was to Rinoa and the rest sometimes ? Rinoa was lucky that she had the right personality to change Squall. If she was any different Squall would of hurt her and he did anyways at the start of the game..
Rinoa: You were all hired. It's not like you were one of us.
Rinoa: Um, let's see... We'll cancel the plan, and we'll disperse for now.
Rinoa: We don't stand a chance if we take 'em head on, right?
Rinoa: So... you guys probably think this is all a game to us.
Rinoa: ...Well, it's not!
Rinoa: We're serious.
Rinoa: So serious...it hurts.
It's not wise to try and charm over a man just for his looks and shallow..
If she didn't want look weak then she wouldn't of admitted to everybody that she was feeling weak.. xD
Rinoa: I guess... I'm getting scared. Sometimes... when I'm with all of you... I... feel like we're on the same wavelength...... you know? But when the battles start happening, it's different. Everyone's tempo seems to pick up and...... I get left behind. I try to catch up, but it's no use... How far is everyone going? I can't hear anyone... Once I catch up, I wonder... Is everyone safe? Will they welcome me with open arms? ...... Is everyone ok? Will we all make it back together? When I start thinking like that
That's was more for Aqua- she said that Yuna was emotional throughout her adventure.
Fair enough but we don't know really that Rinoa did cry because of the graphics..
I'm saying that it's annoying for Rinoa to rant quite a bit and put her emotions on to everybody else in her group. It would only be hypocritical if said that it's not annoying to cry.. Feel like created Rinoa's character like a damsel because they always made her the one that had to be saved...
Righty- ho- then read up above and enjoy the quotes that have posted this time round.
=p
Good for you, have a close best friend who feels the same. She likes Squall. Did say above that we should carry this on via pm before the mods see this as a fight...
