Logic Behind Human Love

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Ok so i have been thinking about this a lot... and i know there are a lot of threads probably about this since it is such a common thing... but my views on the subject are different really and more defined than most peoples so i figured it would be ok to start a new thread. Bear with me and please don't think me naive for believing in the possibility of love even at the age of 18.

So for a long time now this has been on my mind. I have thought about it in and out as thorough as i could, but i just keep getting the feeling that there is something i am missing maybe. In any case here is how i view Love:

In general i would like to start off by saying that the way i view things, there are three general categories of love which can be broken down to determine what human reactions are allowed, what reactions are frowned upon, and what reactions are required. These three categories are all simply defined as (in no particular order) -

1. Family Love
2. Friendship Love
3. Romantic Love

Now of course these are very broad categories, which can sometimes carry over into each other in some cases, but for the most part, the generalizations tend to fly solo. All types tend to stand alone without any dependency on any of the other types. Now when you break things down you start to understand that these three very similar categories produce Hundreds, if not thousands, or endless destinations for someone to arrive at if pushed far enough down the path.

Family Love

The first of course is family love, which is considered by me to be the most common type of love there is. Things that point to a Family Love situation are obvious usually (IE - Relatives by blood or law). Mostly we consider only the most immediate relatives when observing family love, though in rare cases it can also be exhibited to and from either new family members, or long lost relatives. Due to the nature of the marriage and family trees, one can easily guess that if your family has really lived in the same area for more than 200 years, there is a slight possibility that you might be dating your cousin once removed >.<.

Actions Associated with family love fall under the category of low profile, meaning that they are kept to a minimum when in the presents of someone you love as your family. Things that one would normally do with friends and outside of the home, can quickly become the topic of punishment when dealing with parents. Therefore, the playing field is kept on a relative scale. Kids keep things from parent's and parent's keep things from their children. Though during all of this, both parties still love each other as much as they did from the beginning. Family ties are harder to break in most cases than the other types of love are. This is because (most of the time) the parents have raised their children and been with them everyday of their lives, creating a strong bond for most children.

However Family love can go wrong, and it is rather simple. Brought on by abuse, peer pressure, or just sheer teenage rebellion in most cases, though sometimes religion, integrity, or even just neglect is likely to tip the scale. when a family tie breaks of course, the bond is broken can be easily fixed if mended in the right way. Throwing money at the problem would be the wrong way of mending, allowing your child to be their self or your parents to actually understand you is a good way of mending it. Some situations have no chance of being mended. Both parties must agree in their minds before mending can occur, and if the relationship wasn't that strong to begin with then the odds are it will likely fail to even begin the mending process.

Friendship Love

Friendship Love is the second most common type, though less prominent than Family Love, Friendship love is the easiest to maintain due to the lack of effort needed to keep it going. We all have had friends so we know what it's like. Friendship love is simple in the sense that when two people share an interest, they are often driven to love each other as friends. The ticking element in the core of Friendship love is Interest. These relationships usually grow as the interests both parties agree on expand. These relationships can have no limitations, and can in some cases be the beginning of a Friendship-Family Relationship. In most cases though, friends stay friends. There is always a Best friend, and there is always a Worst friend (though in most cases it is not admitted) Best friends usually share many interests and have spent lots of time together, but sometimes these factors can have nothing to do with it. Life is unpredictable after all. Worst friends are usually the people that someone has spent the least amount of time with, and has the least in common with.

Unlike Family Love, the actions associated with Friendship love are often on a more relaxed basis. Things that one would normally not do at home where Family love comes in, are able to be done easier with friends around who will not judge you. Standards mean nothing to friends, and so that means status has nothing to do when it really comes down to it. A poor child can befriend a rich child if they both agree on enough interests.

Friendship bonds are often the easiest to break as well. Though these relationships require virtually no effort, they are indeed capable of being broken easily. If enough interests slip, and a friend is neglected for long enough, a bond can be snapped even without the primary party noticing until a later date. The amount of time poured into a a friendship love relationship doesn't seem to have any effect on how long the bond breaks. In very rare times, friendships will lie dormant for years without any words exchanged at all until one day one speaks to the other. The reason is unknown, and the neglect time seems to vary depending on the friend in question and their personality.

Romantic Love

By far the hardest to maintain, and the most complex of the thee categories. Romantic love is often confused with Lust. Let me be very clear when i say that sex is not a factor in romantic love relationship. If the relationship is true enough to be Romantic Love, then petty things such as that should not matter, though it is openly used as a way to express ones passion, Sex is an action. The inner parts that make these types of relationships vary really, and in the world today these are the rarest of rare finds when discussing the types of Love. Romantic Love breaks down into three other categories which i wont go into detail on. Those categories are: Romantic Crushes, Deep Infatuation, and Pure Romantic Love (which does not exist in practice anywhere on earth. It is merely theory to work towards). Interests and time play big roles in these relationships usually, but sometimes looks, personality, and many other factors may come into play. As i said before, these are the most complex forms of Love.

Actions usually Associated with this form of love vary. Depending on the situation, they can be low profile, or they can be high profile (meaning that it was a VERY open relationship) Though most tend to hang in the intermediate profile range. Actions require thought before going through with anything, considering any possible outcomes before actually acting on plans. These relationships are fragile. So everything must be considered when planning things such as an outing or even watching a movie. Too many factors come into play to pin point them down to just one element.

Due to the multiple elements of this type of love, it is hard to really explain the difficulties expressed when these relationships break. It really depends on what sub type it was. If is was a Romantic Crush, then the fall is usually hard for both parties, though a tiny bit easier for one at first. By simply telling the other it is over, the relationship can end. Deep Infatuation is a different story as the relationships usually span many years. In most cases, these relationships turn into marriage for the wrong reasons, leading both parties to regret. Things are a lot more difficult in Deep Infatuations than just saying goodbye. Parties must consider the consequences of those and those around them before ending things. Pure Romantic Love is a different story all together. Being the theoretic relationships that they are, they are impossible to end. Theses relationships are impossible in practice however, due to the amount of thought, effort, time, and mere chance that has to fall into place at just the right point. Both parties in these relationships are dedicated to one another, able to see over everything else and able to let anything and everything go. These relationships do not end due to their high amount of tolerance for one another.


There is a lot more to get into but its late so that's all i'm going to type for now. If i get feed back from this i would gladly share my more defined views on Romantic love. I want to hear some of your views on all of this too though.
 
Ok so i have been thinking about this a lot... and i know there are a lot of threads probably about this since it is such a common thing... but my views on the subject are different really and more defined than most peoples so i figured it would be ok to start a new thread. Bear with me and please don't think me naive for believing in the possibility of love even at the age of 18.

Well girl, I do believe you have done quite of bit of thinking on this matter. Whoever said love can't be found at the age of 18 is a tard as well. You seem to have a good grasp of most of love.

There is a lot more to get into but its late so that's all i'm going to type for now. If i get feed back from this i would gladly share my more defined views on Romantic love. I want to hear some of your views on all of this too though.

After reading it all, I only have a few things to say and it is only to do with Family love and Romantic Love.

Parental Love - Family Love

Family love in my opinion can be diagnosed a few ways, but mostly people have split thinking about this subject because either 1) Their parents are still together 2) Their parents are divorced.

It shouldn't be a deciding factor but in most cases it is. Some have a stronger tie to their mom, some stronger to their father after divorces, some hate both from ever breaking it off in the first place. Some people go years without talking to their parents after break ups, and some can go their whole life without ever seeing or talking to one of them. I know one thing is for sure, people who have to witness their mother and father breaking it off believe that a person who has never gone through it will never understand it.

Tragically as you said, money hurts things for most people. I would say money is (without looking up stats because some I think are unfinished) 90% of the reason why people break it off. It starts there, then satisfication comes into play, if either one are unsatisfied and are not decent human beings they look for alternatives. For a child who doesn't understand any of this, their brain gets shattered early on. Instead of their parents helping pick up the pieces, they are left to do it on their own. Hardened Heart to say the least.. This ultimately affects the childs willingness to put up with friends as well as love interests as well. From experience of dating people who have broken families, they either fear marriage or want it immediately. So family love can actually affect one's outlook on the other two "Loves" mentioned as well.

Also if you have let's say a bad brother or bad sister. Let's say a slut of a sister who does drugs and has sex with random people at the clubs she hangs out at.. or you are like me and had a brother who drank and drove way to much and was abusive younger to his bro and his mom.. well you intend to take a very different outlook on families.

Mine .. they are just an extention of me. Nothing more. I love them, for they support me, and my parents are still together but I see them maybe ever... 4 months. Other people my age stay in touch with their parents on a day to day basis and I think it's crazy how much love they claim to have for their family. Let's just say I think my friends make a better family these days. An over sheletered family can be very hazardous growing up than one who let's the kid choose what they want.

Romantic Love

Spot on with most of the things you were saying. Let me start off to say that I will not censor this. I define Romantic Love very differently. It is more of the intimate part of the relationship whether it be holding the other person's hand all the way up to having sex with the person.

This type of love starts because of two reasons. 1) The wrong reasons 2) The right reasons.

Let's say you love someone for their looks from the beginning. From a guy I can tell you it's very hard to not have "sexual" thoughts after a first date or two if the girl that I'm with is very attractive. If you have had sex in the past well then you are less reserved from the beginning. You don't hold back out of fear of intimacy, but if your one goal is to get your significant other into bed, you are gravely mistaken. You are destined for failure if you want things to last.

Romantic Love does not last all the time, I will make this a HUGE key point. People no matter what sex you are, get sick of eachother after long periods of time. The passion dies every now and again and has to be rekindled. You get mad at eachother, just because you are the only person to take it out on. Men and Women both think with their emotions differently. Women can be more paranoid or even down right nasty depending on how much pressure they feel in their own life or what part of the month it is.

Small Tangent
In today's society I feel sorry for women, because we are in a Feminine Society. Things are more Politically Correct and Women have to look at super models, porn stars or even actresses for role models. When you turn on the TV is it a reality TV show? when you look in a magizine do you see Carmine Electra or Angelina?

On the other hand there is us Men. We can be down right retarded sometimes. We want everything to be simple. We tend to want to rationalize everything in our favor, so if our lady is having a bad day because of something trivial we tend to get mad at them for making a big deal about it. Be surprised what sort of reward you get for actually listening every now and again.. Do yourself a favor if you are a guy write what she said down, and when she's rehashing it one day.. you will say something in which she will realise you understand her.. rather than passive listening.

Back to the topic

Hince why carrying on things to marriage is a HUGE step for most people. True a kiss or a certain look you get from the other can make you instantly fall back in love with the person.. or even a hug through hard times, but if the sole reason of why you got together were for looks alone and you have found nothing in common since.. well I'm sorry but isn't going to work. It will end badly for you, and you will struggle to make it work, while there is someone out there for you who could have been doing a much better job than him/her.

Lastly sex is not just an action though. If you find the right person in your life and one day you choose to have sex, well it can be the most rewarding thing for the both of you. Emotionally you are connected and with that the physical part of sex is that much better. It's not a one night stand and you aren't looking for that one... rewarding thing at the end.

Ending things with Romantic relationships can be the hardest thing to end if both parties are unhappy with eachother. Guilt comes involved, along with insecurities of closure. People get so lonely as well, so even best friends don't know how to break it off between one another out of fear of losing their friendship and never seeing eachother again. Those are the harshest.

Let me hint out though one LAST thing..

Romantic Love has to be established on Honesty. If you don't have that.. well good luck trying to make it work.
 
I've heard that when you're in love(Romantic love obviously) you get the same feeling as you do when you eat chocolate, apparantly it's true too. So if you think that you love someone eat some chololate and see if you feel any different! :D

Sorry for not putting much but it is nearlt 1.00am, give me some credit XD
 
Well girl, I do believe you have done quite of bit of thinking on this matter.
I'm a guy heh

In any case, you made quite a few good points. This thinking that i have done is still of course in the main thought process of everything so it has the chance to be mended. You made a couple points that made a lot more sense to me than my own did. Remember though, it was nearly 5 am when i wrote that lol.

Family love in my opinion can be diagnosed a few ways, but mostly people have split thinking about this subject because either 1) Their parents are still together 2) Their parents are divorced.

First off, You are right. Because of my situation of course, i kind of overlooked that very obvious statement i guess.

Also if you have let's say a bad brother or bad sister. Let's say a slut of a sister who does drugs and has sex with random people at the clubs she hangs out at.. or you are like me and had a brother who drank and drove way to much and was abusive younger to his bro and his mom.. well you intend to take a very different outlook on families.
Second, My parent's are still together, but because of certain reasons i haven't talked to them in a while. In fact i don't plan on talking to them again. I don't claim them as my own family, i do not love them. Those people are merely people in my life who i choose not to associate with anymore because of certain personal reasons. Writing on Family love was the hardest for me because i never really got to experience it for myself. I only know what i do from observing others and their actions around their parent's and family. So to me, a person looking in from the outside, it is understandable that my views might be a little warped when it comes to something i haven't experienced.

Of course, what do we do about the people who didn't ever have parent's? Do those people just go there whole lives without developing these Family bonds that are said to develop us into adults? I wasn't exactly thinking about them when i wrote about family love, because they are not really associated with it due to their lack of experiences in the field.

This type of love starts because of two reasons. 1) The wrong reasons 2) The right reasons.

How Very true, i'm not sure how i over looked that really before.

Romantic Love does not last all the time, I will make this a HUGE key point. People no matter what sex you are, get sick of each other after long periods of time. The passion dies every now and again and has to be rekindled. You get mad at each other, just because you are the only person to take it out on. Men and Women both think with their emotions differently. Women can be more paranoid or even down right nasty depending on how much pressure they feel in their own life or what part of the month it is.

Yes the menstrual cycle and of course the the way people change over time naturally due to their environments does play a huge role when it comes to Romantic Relationships. Though as long as everyone's intentions lie in the right place, depending on the situation, both parties will usually work to make things right again, or restore the passion due to the fear of losing the other one. Fear is sometimes what keeps these relationships going (the fear of losing the other party).

But then again, there is also the issue of when children are brought into the equation and Family Love begins to sort of attach it's self to these Romantic relationships. Sometimes people will stay together for their children after all, even if they feel a certain repellent from one another. Sometimes Family love is the only thing that keeps Romantic love going even though it may be on the threads of breaking. A good Friendships also helps, though if you are dating someone you consider your best friend things tend to not work out for some reason... or at least that has been my experience.

Romantic Love has to be established on Honesty. If you don't have that.. well good luck trying to make it work.

Plain and simple truth right there. Honesty, or things won't work. It is almost a law that lies get out sooner or later, better just to not tell them.
 
Friendship Love

Friendship love is the easiest to maintain due to the lack of effort needed to keep it going.

These relationships can have no limitations, and can in some cases be the beginning of a Friendship-Family Relationship.

Friendship bonds are often the easiest to break as well. Though these relationships require virtually no effort, they are indeed capable of being broken easily. If enough interests slip, and a friend is neglected for long enough, a bond can be snapped even without the primary party noticing until a later date.

Hm.... I guess I'm just gonna give my views. And thanks to my best friend/sister for giving me permission to use us as an example.

1.Friendships that are worthwhile, like any type of love, takes lots of effort. You have to keep up with that person's changing interests, their dislikes, who they like, how they're life is going. You have to praise them, chastise them, know their goals, their dreams. Unlike family relationships, you don't have a bond of blood. And with the romantic love, such as in a marriage, you don't even have a physical or vow bonds to hold you. If it's your interests that keep you together, you have to keep constantly knowing what the person likes, and what they're going through.

2.I do agree with the family-friendship thing. It shows that friendship can go further than just someone filling up your time. It evolves to a point where they mean most to you, and you'd go to them first for many things. My best friend/sister is one of the most important people to me ever, and I really don't know what I'd do without her. With most of my 'everyday' buddies, if they died or left, I'd feel sad about it, but I could find something else to fill that time. Another friend, another hobby, another time. But if she died.... well, about half the time I'm with her. She's the keeper of my secrets, so to speak. We can basically read each others movements and thoughts. And if someone like that dies, or leaves, its like a part of you is leaving.... keeping social like that, for me, is not such a small task. Not when you don't live with that person, nor have those other bonds to tie you.

3.As I'm thinking, virtually no effort? It takes time and thoughts to remember when you need to call your friend, when to bring stuff for them, how to comfort them. Etc. Secondly on this, it's not always so easy, with peer pressure, to keep a friend. For instance, friendships tend to be of the same sex. Well, as you can imagine if your always together and know each other so well, it's going to be implied that your gay. Teasings follow through with that. Sometimes your friend doesn't turn out how your parents want them to be. Your parents try to get you to like other people. I've endured similar with my friend, and it's still going strong, and we've known each other since Primary School.

Onto the other relationships:

I'm not saying that Friendship is the highest on the list, but it's also not the lowest. Actually, I think it differs from each person to what is most important. Family and romantic can be broken just as easily. Family bonds can be.... abused. Your parents can rule it over you, use there power. Sometimes, rape between parent and child happens. And other types of abuse. In romantic situations, it can be for one night stands. Or someone gets all horny and decides that it's love, say, because the other person was their first? On lighter issues, parents and child may just not have enough in likings to be able to talk much. Or a boyfriend or girlfriend sees someone else they're interested in. People can sometimes move on, but any bond can go rotten.

......I guess you can see one of my most important relationships, huh? XD
 
. But if she died.... well, about half the time I'm with her. She's the keeper of my secrets, so to speak. We can basically read each others movements and thoughts. And if someone like that dies, or leaves, its like a part of you is leaving.... keeping social like that, for me, is not such a small task. Not when you don't live with that person, nor have those other bonds to tie you.

I don't mean to instill paranoia or anything, but I know alot of ladies/girls who are just like you in respect to their sister or even brother. What if say... your sis were to start dating a more of a possessive boyfriend or girlfriend (not in a bad bad way, but in a way that you could see she spends more time with him/her than you). The bond might slowly slip, as in her priorities might be elsewhere.

Going on in life, I have noticed it is reaaaally hard to date someone who is real attached to their siblings only because of the jealousy that ensues. The brother or sisters aren't used to the sudden break in their bond if you choose to be more seclusive with your significant other, especially when marriages occur. For some reason the sibling can't be happy for them. If anything starts going sour in the sister's relationship with her boyfriend/girlfriend they tend to want to say anything that would eliminate him/her from their life. As in do away with the boyfriend or girlfriend any chance they can get.

I've noticed that quite often in a female dominate family with the boy as well (1 boy and 3 girls for instance). The girls want to be protective of the brother.

Just a question, thought I'd ask.
 
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I'm a little late saying this.

This is in response to post 1 and I'm sorry if it's already been said.

Greeks have 5 different words for the different feelings which we, in English, name as one word, love:
Eros is passionate love, aka sex. Hence the word erotic

Philia is friendship, a deep, dispassionate love.

Agapē is affection as apposed to eros, which is attraction. It's basically everything that the other 4 aren't.

Storge is also affection but this is more the type of afection that a parent would have for their child.

Thelema is desire to be occupied.

Love is complicated. We shouldn't use one word to generalise. Ideally we would have 5 too. I suppose you speak of agape when you made this topic so I'll talk about that. Even that could and should, in it's own right, be broken down into smaller categories. It's just like the miscellaneous section of the love dictionary, if you see my point.

Lve is a complex emotion. A mystery. What is it? That is unanswerable. It could be the brain sending impulses around but I feel that it is much more. I believe that love is holy and has its routes in the world of the supernatural, in the world of God. I am a Catholic myself so I'll take that view. But in my opinion, it's just too complex and driving to be human.

I will quote Captain freedom from Hill Street Blues here:

"Have you ever touched the human soul? And yet it drives you stronger than any muscle in the body."

I agree with him. Like the soul, love is not something that we can touch or sense. It is just something that we feel deep inside.

Some say it's subconscious. Others say it's the soul. Either way. It exists as a powerful thing and mysterious too. I'm sorry I've bored you for so long not to come up with a complete conclusion but no-one ever will. We will never know until we enter into Heaven, in my belief.
 
Family Love

As said families can be split into various categories. Some families are close knit, others are not. Some care for one another, others don't. It depends where you were raised and how you were raised. However family ties are generally the easiest to fix if something goes wrong. You can hate your dad as much as you want, because he abused you and gnored you. But if he ever changed (this doesn't happen 95% of the time if ever) into someone who did care for you, and apologized for what he did. If he made the effort to enter back into your life. Well I am sorry but if you tell me you would not accept him, I would say either you are a lier or you are not listening to him.

Friendship Love

Love between friends as you said is possible. It is a different kind of love and often we find we have entered this state not really knowing how or when it occured. Honestly I wouldn't really call this love at all, but rather deep companionship. Love for a friend is easily broken. You may cry when they die, but you get over it a lot faster than you would a lover or a family member you cared about. Not only that but arguments can arise and destroy friendships quickly if someone changes (ex. your best friend goes to college for a year and comes back a new person). I had a relationship like this. I would say I loved my best friend (sounds kinda gay since we are both guys though :lol:), but after a brief period of not talking he changed too much for me to feel the same.

Romantic Love

This kind of love is too hard to explain exactly because it varies from person to person. Falling in love with someone is not a simple thing. I of course speak about true love.

It is true that the passion behind romantic love wavers, going from high to low points based upon a persons actions. However these points do not truely dictate how much you love a person. Why? Because there is no varying degree of love. There is love, and no love. You feel one or the other and often times it is very easy to get confused between the two because of things that may happen. Likewise it is possible to fall into and out of love, though some may argue if you fall out of love you were never really in love in the first place.

I've noticed people here saying that sex is not a part of love. And though I find that admirable, I must say you are wrong. Surely sex does not define love and is it not a thing on which to base love on. However sex is a part of love for some (I will explain here in a moment).

As I said earlier love varies from person to person. Love comes from somewhere, though where it is exactly, one can not say. However if I were to say "describe what love is using an event" we would find some varied answers. Some might say its being in the park with a person you really like on a beautiful day. Some might say its waking up to the small of 'insert flavor here' pancakes. Some might say it is an embrace that eases away all your troubles when you are having a bad day. Some might even say all of these things. However love is defined by different actions, and it is because these actions create love. Sex is one of those actions, however there are two kinds of sex and until you experiance the type based off love, you can not understand what I am saying. Please also note that just because two people can attain this kind of physical experiance does not mean it will happen every time.

In a sort of weird metaphore, think of this kind of love like a muscle. Through hard times, when overcome together, you build up more love (like lifting heavy weights for muscle building). Through various events shared with one another, you help sustain and strengthen the love you have (like lifting smaller weights just to maintain where you are at in your muscle mass). And by sitting around neglecting it, you lose your love (like sitting on the couch watching TV, eating chips all day makes you fat and lose your muscle).

Unconditional Love

A topic not yet covered, this love is most often found between pets and their owners and family members. It is a love where, no matter that the other does, the love will remain. Even after death or a horrible event that leads the family member/pet abandoned.

The Middle, Marriage

I really didn't know what else to call this, but it is basically the idea that love overlaps. That is one person can feel one or all four kinds of love toward another. A prime example is where my girlfriend and I stand at the moment. We both love eachother in a romantic way, but beyond this we love eachother as friends too. And to top all that off, she is slowly becoming a part of my family. It is this sort of fusion of various loves that defines a good marriage I feel, for marriage with just romantic love will lead a relationship to a dead end, unless the others are picked up along the way before the dead end is reached.
 
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