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[SOLDIERis1337]

Yay. Now I'm being attacked...

No, you're being childishly defensive for no reason. Stop acting like a victim because someone disagrees with you.

Anyway, the references you mentioned are nowhere near explicit enough. Saying things like "you remind me of someone" or making vague references are little winks aimed specifically at the people who know what the character is aluding too, but it's just common dialogue to those who don't know. I'd really like to see something more explicit (like perhaps a character being named), not as a challenge, but I'd like to see if one exists. I've played through all the story-lines multiple times and I'm fluent in Japanese and haven't found anything yet. If there is one I must have missed it.

Bartz gives Squall one of Boco's feathers, going so far as to say it was from someone who accompanied him on many travels. It doesn't get any more specific than that. Then there's the fact that we see a specific location from Warrior of Light's world at the end, Cornelia Castle, that's not even an explicit reference, its screaming at you on screen in all its glory.

I never assumed this game was canon (I assumed it wasn't). To me, this is like Smash Bros or various comic-book cross-overs and what not (though there were many canon comic-book cross-overs), which was deviate just enough to make an excuse to do what they wanted (which was, in this case, putting a bunch of different FF characters together).

Its canon if you want it to be, and non canon if you don't. The point here is that these characters aren't analogues of themselves like they are in Kingdom Hearts, they're the same beings.

 

[nikkuchan]

No, you're being childishly defensive for no reason. Stop acting like a victim because someone disagrees with you.

I'm sorry, but I don't really understand. I never considered the act of discussing to be childish or defensive. I'm not trying to fight you or anything, so please don't get that idea.

Bartz gives Squall one of Boco's feathers, going so far as to say it was from someone who accompanied him on many travels. It doesn't get any more specific than that.

I supposed, but memento giving is so common in all forms of story-telling I never considered to be much of a reference.

Then there's the fact that we see a specific location from Warrior of Light's world at the end, Cornelia Castle, that's not even an explicit reference, its screaming at you on screen in all its glory.

How about Castle Tycoon from FFV? The moon from FFIV? The Factory from FFVI (Is it a factory? I don't remember too well)? The Crystal World from FFIX? There are stages from every game, as there are for individual characters in all fighting games. I don't see how this is a reference.

Its canon if you want it to be, and non canon if you don't. The point here is that these characters aren't analogues of themselves like they are in Kingdom Hearts, they're the same beings.

I already agreed with you on the Kingdom Hearts point. My original comment was referring to game design, not story, but you are correct. need we continue with this? We went off topic a few posts back.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

I'm sorry, but I don't really understand. I never considered the act of discussing to be childish or defensive. I'm not trying to fight you or anything, so please don't get that idea.

Your manner of speaking in your first post was defensive, and comments like "I'm being attacked now" are both childish and defensive.

I supposed, but memento giving is so common in all forms of story-telling I never considered to be much of a reference.

Memento giving has nothing to do with it, the point is that Bartz gave Squall a feather from his chocobo in FF V. t is a specific reference.

How about Castle Tycoon from FFV? The moon from FFIV? The Factory from FFVI (Is it a factory? I don't remember too well)? The Crystal World from FFIX? There are stages from every game, as there are for individual characters in all fighting games. I don't see how this is a reference.

The battle stages are simply recreations in the Dissidia universe, they aren't anything like the appearance of Cornelia. We actually see all of the characters taken to the world of FF I, where Cornelia is present. From here the rest go off to their own worlds, but Warrior of Light remains as it is where he came from.

 

[nikkuchan]

Your manner of speaking in your first post was defensive, and comments like "I'm being attacked now" are both childish and defensive.

I suppose you're just going to keep at this. Need I remind you that you began with a claim that my comment was 100% wrong (not... at all was how you said it)? When having a discussion or argument, being so brash is not a good thing to do. I had the right to clarify my comment for you. being so determined to be right is not a good trait to have.

Memento giving has nothing to do with it, the point is that Bartz gave Squall a feather from his chocobo in FF V. t is a specific reference.

Sorry, but a feather from a friend is not very specific. Like I said, only people who know about FFV would understand; to everyone else it's just a simple memento. I asked for explicit references. This should help

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/explicit

The battle stages are simply recreations in the Dissidia universe, they aren't anything like the appearance of Cornelia. We actually see all of the characters taken to the world of FF I, where Cornelia is present. From here the rest go off to their own worlds, but Warrior of Light remains as it is where he came from.

I don't recall what you're talking about, but I'll play it through again and take a look.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

I suppose you're just going to keep at this. Need I remind you that you began with a claim that my comment was 100% wrong (not... at all was how you said it)? When having a discussion or argument, being so brash is not a good thing to do. I had the right to clarify my comment for you. being so determined to be right is not a good trait to have.

Because you're comment was incorrect, I was simply clarifying your mistake. After this you started acting very defensive as if you had been attacked personally.

Sorry, but a feather from a friend is not very specific. Like I said, only people who know about FFV would understand; to everyone else it's just a simple memento. I asked for explicit references. This should help

I don't think you understand the concept of a reference. Bartz gave Squall a feather from Boc, this is an extremely explicit reference. It doesn't matter if only people who have played FF V understand this, because a reference is a reference regardless of whether or not everyone understands it. If you were an alien from a far off planet and had never seen an orange before, and I referenced an orange in my conversation, its still a reference to an orange, even though you personally wouldn't get it.

Here you go, champ, this should explain it a little clearer.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reference

See, a reference is an allusion to something else, and he other FF games are referenced quite a bit in Dissidia.

I don't recall what you're talking about, but I'll play it through again and take a look.

Ending CGI video, all of the heroes are taken to the world of FF I. All of them but Warrior of Light return to their own world, and then WoL walks off towards Castle Cornelia.

 

[Bambi]

lets keep it civil in here guys - if you are going to start arguments, take it elsewhere as it will not be tolerated here

 

[Phoenix117]

Well what about Gabranth? Gabranth is on the evil side in Dissidia but

Spoiler

He never was technically evil. everything he did was for what he though would benefit the empire and all of Ivalice. Yes, he did kill the king, but he did it for reasons he thought was right, and in the end he was shown to care most about Larsa, and that he would do anything to protect him. So how was he truly bad?

Good point. I haven't played Dissidia so I don't know if he's really evil in that game but he definately wasn't in FFXII. He was only doing what he beleived was right for Ivalice.