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If today you were drafted to serve in the military, what would your reaction be? *Remember, there's war in Iraq*

I personally would not like it.
I personally don't believe in the morals the war is taking shape these days and I don't agree with Bush's get tougher in Iraq policy, and I would resist.
How 'bout you?
 
I'd go for it. It's a part of living in a country where no one storms into my house and gets away with raping my family, telling me where to go to church, torturing me, etc...

Privilages and Rights don't come easily; we need to protect the freedoms we have by fending what is ours sometimes.
 
I am 100% opposed to military conflict, actually violence in general.

There is no way in hell I would go and fight, I would just move somewhere else and bring along my PS2 :-D.
 
But then again, if all comes to worse, I would fight, therefore contradicting my above post.
I only would fight if:

1.) The war takes a different turn, in which our morals our right and we actually have a good reason to fight,
or
2.) I was absolutely forced to join.

If war spreads throughout the world again, there wouldn't be anything anyone can do won't there? It'll be a struggle to survive.
Yes, those are my conditions.
 
Obviously, since it's the law, I would go. However, as soon as my term was served, and I was discharged, I'd come back and fight the war effort vehemently, again, staying withing the confides of the law.
BustaMo said:
Privilages and Rights don't come easily; we need to protect the freedoms we have by fending what is ours sometimes.
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Busta, please tell me you don't believe the war going on in Iraq right now is to, "Protect our freedoms". While I agree that the freedoms we have now are afforded us by the blood of the innocent, The continuing war in Iraq has nothing to do with "defending America" or "protecting our rights".


Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
 
By the way, I think the war in Iraq is an absolute failure. Every "reason" that we went there that the Bush administration claimed has been disproved (WMDs, link to 9/11, etc..). Our country should be ashamed that this has went on LONGER than our engagement in World War II. If we conquered Hitler in a shorter time than Iraq, obviously that is saying something.

I could ramble on and on about how much I despise this current situation, but the overwhelming majority of this country agrees. The problem now is that nothing is getting done with the new Congress. We need to stand up to our government and make such a strong statement that we will march over the White House until Bush pulls out the troops (I am imagining a V for Vendetta finish, that would be so cool :-D).
 
Personally, I think that the war in Iraq is also a failure.
Like you said StandtoRise, most of the stuff has already been disproved.

I think they should opt for a 'gracious exit' from Iraq like they did in Vietnam, as obviously there is not much point in being in the Middle East right now.
Staying longer only promotes opponents' view that the U.S. is only in there for the oil and not for the people.

As for 'protecting our rights', it seems that now we are because making a hasty exit from Iraq would damage our prestige and reputation, therefore sending a message to terrorists everywhere that the U.S. can be defeated.
I think that the #1 reason that the U.S. has not backed out as of yet.
 
Warbourne said:
Staying longer only promotes opponents' view that the U.S. is only in there for the oil and not for the people.
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But we are. That's really the only reason we're still there...

Warbourne said:
As for 'protecting our rights', it seems that now we are because making a hasty exit from Iraq would damage our prestige and reputation, therefore sending a message to terrorists everywhere that the U.S. can be defeated.
I think that the #1 reason that the U.S. has not backed out as of yet.
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No, the executions of Saddam Husein and Osama Binladen sent a much clearer message that terrorists can not win. The American army (Army strong!) now remains in the Middle East only to suppress local insurrection and rebellion, not to protect America from terrorists. The main purpose of our occupation is to rebuild the war torn country the way we would like to see it. We're not there fighting now because we're trying to protect ourselves from terrorists.


Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
 
The Legendary Wullfe said:
No, the executions of Saddam Husein and Osama Binladen sent a much clearer message that terrorists can not win. The American army (Army strong!) now remains in the Middle East only to suppress local insurrection and rebellion, not to protect America from terrorists. The main purpose of our occupation is to rebuild the war torn country the way we would like to see it. We're not there fighting now because we're trying to protect ourselves from terrorists.


Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
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If anything, I thought that the executions of the above only strengthened the resolve of those terrorists. It's been so a while since Saddam was executed, and what has happened..?
Violence still everywhere and civilians hating American soldiers.

Local insurrections is caused by who?
Terrorists and fanaticists.

The more we try to meddle in the affairs of Iraq, the more civilians will hate us over there. Even if we want to impose a democratic society over there, I don't think it stands much of a chance if the people are opposed to our society over here, as they would obviously vote against us.

A recent survey in the Time magazine showed that the U.S. approval rating in different countries has declined sharply, and more nations are showing signs of disapproval towards us.
 
Warbourne said:
As for 'protecting our rights', it seems that now we are because making a hasty exit from Iraq would damage our prestige and reputation, therefore sending a message to terrorists everywhere that the U.S. can be defeated.
I think that the #1 reason that the U.S. has not backed out as of yet.
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I see where you can get that impression, and that is what supporters of this war will say. But really, I hear reporters on Fox News (which is the most bias news station ever!!!) say "Oh those terrorists! If we get out of Iraq, they will come to your houses and murder your children", that is just absolutely ridiculous.

I think it's common sense, right now our reputation is terrible. Why wouldn't it be, we have left a sovereign country in complete chaos. There are over 650,000 innocent lives lost, along with the 3000+ soldiers we have paid for. As long as we stay there and keep shedding more blood, it will never get better. It is their country, Saddam is gone. If they want to have a democracy, let them have it. It is the PEOPLE'S choice, not Bush's. We aren't going to solve the Sunni / Shiite conflict, it has been going on for centuries.

To atone for what we have done will take a very long time. Before we can even think about that, we need to stop the bleeding first.
 
I would be confused and say "Dude, are you blind, dumb or somehow retarted. I am not old enough to go to war, idiot." Then I would slowly close the door.
 
StandtoRise6 said:
I see where you can get that impression, and that is what supporters of this war will say. But really, I hear reporters on Fox News (which is the most bias news station ever!!!) say "Oh those terrorists! If we get out of Iraq, they will come to your houses and murder your children", that is just absolutely ridiculous.
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To atone for what we have done will take a very long time. Before we can even think about that, we need to stop the bleeding first.
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I hope you don't misunderstand.
I, in now way am supporting the war in Iraq, in fact, I am highly neutral about the subject.
It's just that, historically speaking, a message such as that, backing out, will shatter myths of power and therefore will cause more bloodshed as terrorists attack more in the hopes of repelling the U.S. once and for all.

I think the U.S. should end the war because, if truth be told, we have already lost in terms of our initial goal. Fighting terrorism has seemed to be a tougher prospect than Bush had imagined in the first place.
Also, by continuing the war and losing, more prestige blow.
It works out better for both parties to end the war before more deep scars are left in place over in Iraq.
This has happened in Vietnam, which to date, has been the only real war that the U.S. has lost.
 
Warbourne said:
I hope you don't misunderstand.
I, in now way am supporting the war in Iraq, in fact, I am highly neutral about the subject.
It's just that, historically speaking, a message such as that, backing out, will shatter myths of power and therefore will cause more bloodshed as terrorists attack more in the hopes of repelling the U.S. once and for all.

I think the U.S. should end the war because, if truth be told, we have already lost in terms of our initial goal. Fighting terrorism has seemed to be a tougher prospect than Bush had imagined in the first place.
Also, by continuing the war and losing, more prestige blow.
It works out better for both parties to end the war before more deep scars are left in place over in Iraq.
This has happened in Vietnam, which to date, has been the only real war that the U.S. has lost.
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I wasn't accusing you of being a war hawk by any means. However, I do have a few comments to what you just said.

1. Terror(or terrorism) is an idea. It isn't a group of people or a country. Anyone can be a terrorist or do acts of terror. You cannot point out and eliminate them systematically. As we learned, an idea cannot be destroyed.

2. To think that terrorists are going to come back to this country again is only because of our conflict now. If we mend our bad relations in the world and stay away from the use of force, aggression will be no more. If you live by the old adage "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", then it isn't really going to solve anything because both sides will become engaged and angered, therefore leading to more conflict.

3. Vietnam was definitely a failure, but Iraq will be hanging next to it in the hall of shame.
 
StandtoRise6 said:
I wasn't accusing you of being a war hawk by any means. However, I do have a few comments to what you just said.

1. Terror(or terrorism) is an idea. It isn't a group of people or a country. Anyone can be a terrorist or do acts of terror. You cannot point out and eliminate them systematically. As we learned, an idea cannot be destroyed.

2. To think that terrorists are going to come back to this country again is only because of our conflict now. If we mend our bad relations in the world and stay away from the use of force, aggression will be no more. If you live by the old adage "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", then it isn't really going to solve anything because both sides will become engaged and angered, therefore leading to more conflict.

3. Vietnam was definitely a failure, but Iraq will be hanging next to it in the hall of shame.
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Well, exactly.
What we need to do is get out of Iraq without losing prestige --- well, actually we can do without prestige, it would be better to keep a low profile now on instead of meddling in other affairs --- and with honor.

And yes, terrorists will come back as long as we keep instigating this war with them. You're right that they don't belong to any specific nation or political entity, as it is their true nature, opposing government in any sort to speak out against what they think is wrong or whatnot.
I think we should return to the status quo instead, and merely keep good relations and increase our standing in the Middle East subsequently.
 
Warbourne said:
Well, exactly.
What we need to do is get out of Iraq without losing prestige --- well, actually we can do without prestige, it would be better to keep a low profile now on instead of meddling in other affairs --- and with honor.

And yes, terrorists will come back as long as we keep instigating this war with them. You're right that they don't belong to any specific nation or political entity, as it is their true nature, opposing government in any sort to speak out against what they think is wrong or whatnot.
I think we should return to the status quo instead, and merely keep good relations and increase our standing in the Middle East subsequently.
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Aye :)
 
At first, I would be pissed, but I guess I would have serve.

The only real war that I would be fully in support of and gladly fight 100%, would be against a military power invading our very country.
 
That really should be the only reason why we fight wars.

You know they tried to ban offensive wars altogether in the 20's right?
Didn't end up too well.

But I guess as long as there are resources to be exploited, historic rivalries to be fought, and political leaders that are hungry for power, war is inevitable.
And soldiers need to fight them....
 
Yeah, you kinda beat me to that one. Unfortunately as long as there's a political tie or interest, the US military will always be used to see to it, that our political interests are enforced and secured. It can be a good or bad thing, depending on the situation.
 
I would definately fight if the country i was living in was directly in danger or if a country that is important to us is being invaded by a country that will kill its people for no good reason...
 
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