Free Will

Sephiroth said:
What correlation is there between rejecting and choosing life and going to heaven or hell? God has the choice not to send us to heave or hell--I fail to see any correlation between what we choose to do and going to heaven or hell--it defeats the purpose of free will.
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The same for laws, You are a free person and all the rights you can think about but if you break the law you go to jail and lose everything.

And if you do really bad crimes, you may go to prision until the day you die, either way anything more than 20 years (if you are in your 30s or 40s) is almost like a life sentence, but People still has their free will, they can choose to comit a crime or not, is the same for Religion, except for the little fact that a good lawyer will not help you much
 
QuickSilverD said:
The same for laws, You are a free person and all the rights you can think about but if you break the law you go to jail and lose everything.

And if you do really bad crimes, you may go to prision until the day you die, either way anything more than 20 years (if you are in your 30s or 40s) is almost like a life sentence, but People still has their free will, they can choose to comit a crime or not, is the same for Religion, except for the little fact that a good lawyer will not help you much
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Yes, but these people that are putting you in jail don't proclaim to give you free will and defeat the purpose. God, on the other hand, gives us a redundant free will that he defeats by putting us into heaven or hell. With going to jail, some people think they can get away with it, and get away with it for quite awhile. As for heaven or hell, if God is as strong as people make him out to be, there may be no escape, and whatever free will you exert is pointless.
 
I believe, from a universal standpoint, we as people have a free will. We can do whatever we wish, whenever we wish, as long as our bodies can endure it. We are not forced into doing anything that we don't want to do by some supernatural Man, nor are we kept from doing these things by this same supernatural being.
The only thing that I believe one can argue that keeps us having a free will is society. Society, culture, and co-culture has put such a restriction on what people feel they can or cannot do; they have put restrictions on what people feel they should or shouldn't do. So since society shapes us, I can argue free will is limited, but as a species, I think we have free will.
 
I just spotted this topic, and I was thinking about this today. 0.o Okay, time for some rambling. Sorry, everyone.

As far as fate goes, some things just seem too perfect to have happened by coincidence. On the contrary to this statement, maybe it just seems so perfect because it was such a good even that happened, it stands out and we pay more attention to it. If any kind of fate does exist, I think that free will and it would cooperate together. Maybe the fate part would be a certain outcome, but the events leading to it are by choice. So I guess it would be limited free will, but still the freedom to make the choices is there.

Hm, from an evolutionary standpoint, it's possible that biology pokes us and prods us in a direction of cooperation with others in order to carry out certain reproductive means. In other cases, people who have high moral values, or those who are highly religious may find the idea that all the morals they hold so dearly are simply consequences of evolution and not what is inherently right. We might be making choices about what color car to get, or what clothes to wear, but we're doing each thing based on an emotion or a physical feeling to give us satifaction and good wellbeing. If we're "programmed" to act on our emotion and physical feelings, it's not really free will... 0.o
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