Do You Count FFXI as one of the Main Series?

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Yeah once again the title sums it up, do you or do you not consider FFXI as part of the main Series, for example could you say "Ive played all the final fantasies" If you havnt Played XI?

i dont count XI as one of the main series because - its not a proper final fantasy game - you play online, you have to pay per month - you can never complete it and it doesnt really have a main "goal" or an amazing storyline for you to follow...

so would you label FFXI as one of the final fantasies or do you exclude it and "not count it"
 
I don't count it as part of the main series either. =x
I don't want to pay money each month to play my favorite game online with a bunch of rude noobs. =x
 
No i dont count it as one of the same series, for a start its on a differnet console so no i dont think of it as a main game just like i dont considere ff tactics as a main game :)
 
Well, it does have a number value, so technically is one of the series. I just wish they called it Final Fantasy Online instead of XI. And it really isn't that great of an online game. So much for a new company.
 
They made it for PC, PlayStation 2, and Xbox 360.

Yes, I do count it as one of the main series. Why wouldn't you? It is identical to the offline games in nearly every aspect except for the fact that it is online. I don't see the bad part to paying monthly to play. What people fail to understand is that if people only bought the game and never had to pay anything further, you'd never get any good support, the developers wouldn't release any new worthwhile material, and your overall experience would just be a lot more dull. Paying per month to keep the game upbeat is worth it.

Why else would you guys say it's not main-series worthy? Rather than just one main goal, you have a few. For instance, the main goal of the original Final Fantasy XI game was to defeat the Shadowlord within your missions. When they released the expansion, your new goal was to defeat the Zilart. For Chains of Promathia they gave you Promathia to defeat. Now that Treasures of Aht Urhgan is out, we have another boss to defeat. They may have a different feel, but the idea is identical.

As with every Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy XI has side quests to keep you busy as well. Tired of doing the same old thing? Go help some people in the cities that will also make you gil and items. As it is in every Final Fantasy, you are required to level up in order to advance in the game. It is just prolonged in Final Fantasy XI because the point is to play for a long period of time.

The monsters, the summons, the spells, etc. are all identical to every single Final Fantasy before it. I have no idea why people shun this game. The only people who do not like this game are those who do not have patience, don't have a lot of free time, don't have access to a credit card, or people who just refuse to give online games a try.

Yes, I do think this to be a big part of the series.
 
I count FF11 as one of the main series because it auctally had a storyline that you could follow. many don't follow it, tho.
 
Hmmm...my boyfriend just came out of the blue and told me he would buy this game for me, so I guess I'll pass better judgement once I've played it a few times. =x

But still...I agree with Rydia, they should have gave it a more legit name like FF Online.
 
No i dont count it as one of the main series. I really didn't like FFXI, was pretty boring and it didn't really contribute anything like previous FF installments.
 
No, I don't consider it a part of the series at all. Tactics has more of a right to be part of the "main" games than Final Fantasy XI does. The main reason is that the game was not designed for Final Fantasy fans. It was designed for online gamers. It doesn't matter if it has a good plot or character development or anything else. Other games have those things but they're not Final Fantasy. Just because you slap chocobos and moogles in something, doesn't mean it's Final Fantasy. (See Final Fantasy Unlimited)

More of the people playing Final Fantasy XI are online gamers than Final Fantasy fans. They were the Everquest junkies that wanted a challenging online experience and maybe played through Final Fantasy X when it came out 4 years ago. If you put them to the fire, there's no way they could tell you the difference between Yuna and Yunalesca. Because they like RPGs but they're not the hardcore fans. And if a "Final Fantasy" game completely alienates the hardcore "Final Fantasy" fans, then it's not actually part of the main series.
 
That's not true whatsoever. Every single person I play with on Final Fantasy XI have played every single Final Fantasy and we often find ourselves quizing each other on the games.

What you basically said though was that if Coke made a drink that most people who normally drank coke products didn't like, then that new drink that they made wouldn't really be a Coke product. Fair enough.
 
No, because that would be saying that Final Fantasy XI wasn't a Square-Enix product. What I said, using your metaphor, is if Coke, the company, made Coke (the drink), Diet Coke, Coke One, Super Duper Coke... all of which being colas and then made a rootbeer flavored soda and called it a coke...it wouldn't actually be a coke. It would be their version of a rootbeer, which should have been named something rootbeer.

I have no problem if Square-Enix makes online games. I played the Final Fantasy XI. I was much harder than I liked but there was a lot I liked about it. Even so, it's not part of the main series because it jsut doesn't fit.
 
No.
I always think of X-2 as the 11th installment
 
Aztec Triogal said:
No, because that would be saying that Final Fantasy XI wasn't a Square-Enix product. What I said, using your metaphor, is if Coke, the company, made Coke (the drink), Diet Coke, Coke One, Super Duper Coke... all of which being colas and then made a rootbeer flavored soda and called it a coke...it wouldn't actually be a coke. It would be their version of a rootbeer, which should have been named something rootbeer.

I have no problem if Square-Enix makes online games. I played the Final Fantasy XI. I was much harder than I liked but there was a lot I liked about it. Even so, it's not part of the main series because it jsut doesn't fit.
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Meh. The only real difference I see is that it's online rather than off. The experience for me is the exact same it was for every single Final Fantasy before it. Though I would rather Square Enix used XI for an offline game and labeled this one Final Fantasy Online, I still don't understand how people could view it as an "outsider" to the series. The gameplay is nearly identical to that of X and XII. I don't get what makes this game so any different aside from the fact that it's online.

I'll bet you one thing though. If this game were free per month, it'd be the highest selling Final Fantasy game made. You'd have your Final Fantasy fans ontop of people who just want an online game. An excellent way for Square Enix to get a good game out there. However, since people can't dish out $13 a month, they don't play it. From what I've seen throughout this forum, that's the biggest reason people aren't playing.
 
Yarub said:
Meh. The only real difference I see is that it's online rather than off. The experience for me is the exact same it was for every single Final Fantasy before it. Though I would rather Square Enix used XI for an offline game and labeled this one Final Fantasy Online, I still don't understand how people could view it as an "outsider" to the series. The gameplay is nearly identical to that of X and XII. I don't get what makes this game so any different aside from the fact that it's online.

I'll bet you one thing though. If this game were free per month, it'd be the highest selling Final Fantasy game made. You'd have your Final Fantasy fans ontop of people who just want an online game. An excellent way for Square Enix to get a good game out there. However, since people can't dish out $13 a month, they don't play it. From what I've seen throughout this forum, that's the biggest reason people aren't playing.
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If I could afford it, I still wouldn't play it. It's not worth it, paying money for an online game. I wouldn't even play WoW, Everquest, ETC... And it's not the gameplay, to me, that makes a FF game... If that were true, I'd say that FFXII should also not deserve the FF name (due to a very different fighting system, thus effecting gameplay). FF games, to me, are deep, story-driven RPGs with deep, well thought-out characters who are all essential to the story. That is nearly impossible with an online game, and about the only way they could set a fixed story would be if they copied Guild Wars; Areas loaded seperately for every person (or party) playing, with the larger, important roles typically given to NPCs.

There's only one online game I've played where story development and character development was encouraged, and that was mostly because the game had horrid graphics and my fellow players I was around were all writers and pen-and-paper, D&D-style Roleplay junkies.
 
Yea, "if". But that's not how they did it. They alienated their fanbase. Final Fantasy fans aren't used to paying for online subscriptions. MMO players are. That's exactly my point. It wasn't designed for us at all.

I played the game and honestly it's the most immersed I've ever felt in any world. I've played other online games but FFXI definitely is one of the best. I hated it for a while, simply for the fact that I was expecting an experience like FFX. But you can't do that. You don't meet a party and go off and have adventures. You meet kids yelling in the shout chat "WHERE DO I MINE FOR FISH?" and that kind of crap. I liked a lot of it and honestly it makes me really sad I didn't get to see more of it. If they took the game offline and downed the learning curve, I'd still pick it up. Hell, I even thought about picking it up for my 360... but I remember the frustration. Plus things like the auctions system is all out whack now due to inflation or something. As if potions weren't expensive enough to begin with.

For a series that has pretty easy games, they made it into a really hard online experience. I think a lot of hardcore online gamers appreciate that, but most don't. If you want to argue that, check out WoW. That game doesn't even require the IQ of a goldfish to play. But that's why people love it. It's simple. It's fun. And I don't think that's why FF players didn't play FFXI. It was simply the online factor. Because not every FF player picked up WoW. It was just a really really good game stuck in a horribly bad setup (leveling system, online, hard) and I wish those circumstances could have been different so I couldn't enjoyed the game more. I started in Bastok and I only made it to Selbina. I didn't even get to head up north and see Sand'Oria. :( I really wanted to see Sand'Oria. And I really wanted to see all the other places... because it felt so realistic. But I hated all the other people. And the leveling was too hard. I feel really compelled to go back and pick it up sometimes but then I remember fighting sheep and getting put to sleep... and watching 8 goblins come out of nowhere to mob my character. lol

Lupine: The game actually does offer deep characters. Just not how you'd think. It's more GTA style, where your character doesn't really have a personality, but he goes and gets missions and objectives from interesting people. I'd agree that it's not the same as a Final Fantasy game and definitely not as deep, but it does have it, at least to some degree. But if you mean that the thousands of screaming idiots aren't exactly memorable lovable characters, both major and minor, (Yunalesca; luzzu & gato) then I know what you mean. All online games suck when it comes to everyone else online. lol
 
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To me, I just can't consider it a main series game. I know I haven't attempted to play it yet due to the online costs, but I feel that when I discuss the series, FFX-2 sort of takes it's place, or else FFXII kind of fills the void where FFXI should have been.

I kind of view it more in the lines of an FF Tactics-like game instead.
 
Aeris Gainsborough said:
Yeah once again the title sums it up, do you or do you not consider FFXI as part of the main Series, for example could you say "Ive played all the final fantasies" If you havnt Played XI?

i dont count XI as one of the main series because - its not a proper final fantasy game - you play online, you have to pay per month - you can never complete it and it doesnt really have a main "goal" or an amazing storyline for you to follow...

so would you label FFXI as one of the final fantasies or do you exclude it and "not count it"
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heck no!
11 has nothing in commen to any of the main games heck for crying out loud it is a hacky no turn.
furthermore as i bet daemi has said it. the game it sucks mostly
heck adem even said it was good (which is a bad thing)
 
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