Do you believe in angels?

Grimoire Valentine said:
Yes, and Santa Claus (no seriously).
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The Bible speaks of other supernatural beings in heaven with God : cherubim and seraphim. In the Middle-Ages angelologies, they were categorized as angels, even though in Scripture they do not act as God's envoys (mal'akim) to earthlings. In Isaiah's vision of the heavenly royal hall, the Seraphim are the court guards serving God. They interact with Isaiah because he is in the court, not on earth, and because God wants to forgive Isaiah's sin right there and then. Cherubim are anything but 'cherubic'; they were portrayed in the Temple days as having features of an eagle, a bull, a lion, and a human. There may be other beings untold. We're told nothing much about these heavenly beings and they have no dealings with us, so they are likely some different kind of thing from angels. The other supernatural beings probably live just for the sake of praising God. But we don't really know. Speculation has run rampant for thousands of years. The main Roman Catholic angel tradition goes back at least to Pseudo-Dionysius's book *The Celestial Hierarchy* in the fifth century. He invented a nine-fold order for supernatural beings (from highest to lowest) : Seraphs, Cherubs, Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels. The order was designed mostly for philosophical reasons; it neither matched the Bible nor the reports of angel experiences among the faithful. (Paul writes about several of these, not as ranks of supernatural beings as such, but as forces or groupings that may or may not include humans and institutions.) Thomas Aquinas used an altered form of this order in his *Summa Theologica*, spelling out who was in these orders and what each order did. Other medieval Catholic writers spun off even further into incredible detail. Reading these angelologies is like a form of mental torture, yet in those days the students were often required to know them thoroughly. Several important things hold true from this maze of medieval European angel studies :



Proof me that there are no angels or spirits,and believe me i'll do anything possible to proof you the difference.
 
Tifa AC said:
Proof me that there are no angels or spirits,and believe me i'll do anything possible to proof you the difference.
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Show me proof that they exist and I may believe in them. There is no proof either way, no plausable 'sightings' with photos or video that hasn't been doctored in some way. Nor is their any plausable argument for saying they don't exist. Just saying "I've never seen one so it doesn't exist' is ridiculus. Proof......I need proof. Until I have that proof, definate and plausable, then I will not say they exist nor that they do not. And no, the Bible's ramblings are not proof.
 
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