Creation Theories

I didn't really see a reason why we needed God to create everything and have him go unexplained, rather than everything else existing and not having an explanation for that. There isn't really much of a difference, except that you decided to put an unknown factor, "God" in there, for which we do not have evidence.

As far as evidence has been traced, the big bang is probably the best explanation so far, but that doesn't exclude deism. However, Deism does not state that a god or creator created everything directly, but rather that he started the universe in the direction it's going in, regardless of what happens to it.
 
I cant really explain god here, since I dont have an explanation.
And say the Big Bang really happened, then I think that theres other universes, not parallel ones, but different ones, which were there even before our own, and it's probably a never ending repeating cycle, maybe in a circle, where nearly every trillion years, a universe is exhausted and theres nothing left in it, so somehow (didnt full read that article) a new universe is born and it continues to expand for a very long time and another universe is born. It continues in a circles, replacing older universes over and over again, and god is in the middle of everything. ANd since I'm Muslim, I believe were here on this earth as a test, the end is either heaven or hell, this whole universe is probably a test, I dunno why god wont show himself, but then I think it's because, everyone would believe in him so easily, whats the point of it if it's so easy.
 
It's a test to see if your worthy enough to enter Heaven.
He has the right to do it because he has created us, and he has the right to do anything he wants with us.
 
Your assumption only works if God really exists. Which is a big risk to take, because what if there really is no God, and therefore, there is no test? I can see how man may have created such a concept to keep morality in line, but the problem is that morality is a very subjective topic, and there is no "right" or "wrong" answer. We have many people who disagree on things like abortion, homosexuality, euphemism, or I guess even how we got here or "why" we're here, but there is no right or wrong answer to these. Just people with differing opinions. Which is why I think testing is redundant and unnecessary because then God would be testing us for something which has no right or wrong answer. That's mostly what life is about; dealing with things that don't necessarily have a right or wrong answer, in which we cannot really be judged for making a decision about it.
 
I personally am pretty much with th big bang theory.

This universe was created by a massive amount of energy. That energy was the last universe dying. An endless string of universes going back forever.A dissagree with Aristotle I believe it is possible for a chain of events to go back for eternity.

morality is just like everything else when it comes to right or wrong. An opinion, when you say "this is wrong." You are actually saying I think this is wrong.
 
Sephiroth said:
Your assumption only works if God really exists. Which is a big risk to take, because what if there really is no God, and therefore, there is no test? I can see how man may have created such a concept to keep morality in line, but the problem is that morality is a very subjective topic, and there is no "right" or "wrong" answer. We have many people who disagree on things like abortion, homosexuality, euphemism, or I guess even how we got here or "why" we're here, but there is no right or wrong answer to these. Just people with differing opinions. Which is why I think testing is redundant and unnecessary because then God would be testing us for something which has no right or wrong answer. That's mostly what life is about; dealing with things that don't necessarily have a right or wrong answer, in which we cannot really be judged for making a decision about it.
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In this test that God have done for us, there are right and wrong things. WE would have sins (bad stuff which have been done) and good deeds (good stuff which have been done).
Say for example, I murdered someone and he died because I murdered him, then that would be sin, which is the wrong thing done. But if I donated to some charity or if I prayed to God, that would be the right thing done, donating to a poor person who is actually in need, wouldnt be wrong.
 
Not every case is as simple or clear cut as you give it credit for. Life is highly complicated, and it is inevitable that you will come upon some other more realistic case such as euphemism, where killing someone is not necessarily seen as a black and white case, and there is no "right" or "wrong" answer. If life only consisted of give to the poor and don't murder people, life would be very flat, lack dimension and be uninteresting.
 
Well I understand there are different matter such as when you kill some person who murdered your family is less evil than killing a child for no reason. Or killing the enemy solider or killing your own child etc. It's all very diffrent judgements, one more evil than another.
 
I disagree with you, Tidus Blade. I disagree with the concept of "absolute morality", because no matter what, at least ONE person will disagree with a moral decision, thus denying the title of "absolute".
 
Yes, but there, I was was saying this is how they might (who knows how god judges people's actions) be judged by God himself, Obviously, it is one being, therefore I guess that makes it absolute.
 
And how are we to judge? How do we know what to do? Why is it suddenly "right" because God said so, even though we do not necessarily know what God says about abortion, euphemism, homosexuality, or numerous other complicated cases? Some people think they know what God says, but then other people say they are wrong. In the end, we do not know what God thinks is "right", and therefore, what his criteria is. We only know our own criteria. Which could be "right" or "wrong" to someone else, or neither.
 
Most of the things which are right or wrong are mentioned in the Quran, for example, the Quran says that homo marriage is forbidden because God created man and women to marry together, not for man and man to marry.
Another example was that killing is forbidden (not all types of killing, just killing for no reason or for revenge etc.) because he created us, he gave us life and we cannot take away something that was not ours.
 
Are you absolutely sure that every case that we have to deal with in life are detailed in the Qu'ran? It is a fairly large book, I suppose, but even so, I suspect that there may be a few cases which are not explained in the Qu'ran, especially since life is so complicated, and because people don't agree with homosexuality being wrong. Part of the problem is that people who study science do not see any correlation with gender and purpose. That is, "gender" wasn't exactly created so much as it was evolved because it was the most successful way of surviving because it allows genetic recombination, etc. and other reasons why it is favorable in evolutionary terms, but this does not necessarily explain the purpose that men were meant for women or vice versa; it is only a mechanism, it is not intended, and we know because there are other species that exist that have only one gender, or no gender. Therefore, we conclude that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Or in the case of the Christian bible (as some people may have you believe), is it necessarily true that women are inferior to men? Most people disagree with this. I should also explain that we do not know whether the God that exists is the Christian one or the Islamic one. And there is a difference because they believe in different things, and what is right to the Christian may be wrong to Islam.
 
Well, it wont state everything clearly, but there are many undiscovered secrets in the Quran, since it was made by god, we would not know the meaning of every single word in the Quran, it might be in Arabic but many new words formed when the Quran was brought down from God. And about the homosexuality, I dont see how a man and a man can reproduce, or how a woman and women can reproduce!
The Christian God and Islamic God are both the same, just that the Bible was edited by various people over the years, changing stuff, so therefore making it wrong. The Quran was never edited, since the original copy is preserved, so id you wish to publish the Quran they must check whether each and every letter is the same, or else it would be rejected.
 
The Christian bible does not necessarily have any correlation to the Qu'ran one, and was written by scribes that weren't from the Middle East. It might have been closer to the holy text that the Jews used, but their origins are not quite the same.

Surely, you realize that a homosexual relationship may exist for love, but not necessarily for reproduction, as any other heterosexual couple may wish to live together, but not reproduce. I do not see what's wrong with that. I am telling you, as someone who does not disagree with homosexual relationships, that this is something we do not agree on, and again, there is no right or wrong answer.

If there is something that isn't stated in the Qu'ran, and we are left to figure out the "answers" for ourselves, then there is not necessarily a "right" or "wrong". I don't believe that anyone's way of thinking is necessarily "right" or "wrong", except under a given perspective. That is, nothing is right or wrong; thinking makes it so.

(Bonus points for anyone who remembers where that last line came from!)
 
Ooh, ooh! Richard something?

I'd just like to add that I love the way Angelus argues :) It's so inspiring.

"SPAMMY POSTS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS AREA. ALL RULES APPLY TO MODS ASWELL AS MEMBERS RIKU SO BE CAREFUL."
 
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