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Darth Valandil

Darth Valandil

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I've just preordered the Bioshock game that comes with a Big Daddy figure as well as a soundtrack and making of dvd. I can't wait for this to come out as I really did love System Shock 2 (was a great game). From what I've seen of Bioshock, they've outdone themselves and it looks to be the game of the year. Here's a trailer for those who don't know about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_u06UYc40&mode=related&search=
 
I took down the demo on the 360..
the graphics are amazing. but I thought the gameplay to be somewhat clishé.
im not shure why, but it was like i had played it before..

but the game itself. looking from a gamers POV, its rather cool the shadows are NASTY. youre almost crapping youre pants all the way ^^

its a really eerie game
 
Yeah, I've only seen the trailer myself but the graphics look pretty amazing even without me playing it. I also like the concept of it....underwater killing monsters, lol. Maybe I can get my cousin to get one if I push him hard enough. :P
 
My Friend online was telling me about this, I for one think it look amazing and the weapons are a cool idea.
Plasmids - You can change the elemental factor of one and shoot rays from your hand.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

I still don't have a 360 so I don't see myself playing it in the near future.
 
My boyfriend is going crazy about it. He already reserved it at Best buy for the PC. Graphics look great but it's not my type of game.
 
If it plays anything like System Shock 2, it'll be far from simple minded. Here's a video of System Shock 2...but remember that this was released in 1999, so don't expect the graphics to be as good as something like Doom3. They're pretty damn good for the time, which added with the music helped to emerse you in the atmosphere. The game is set on a computer-controlled spaceship that decides to rebel....think Event Horizon meets Matrix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFMxOY-sLU

I know that this isn't Bioshock, but it's what was the base foundation of what Bioshock is all about. So if you like Bioshock, you should be interesed in System Shock 2....or vice versa.
 
Well they added a lot of different features like using injections to use magic, setting up tech devices via mini-games, a variety of guns, and lots of environment manipulation... but in the end it still all boils down to how much are you shocked and awed by pretty effects and killing people in unique ways. That is what I see as simple minded. It's just killing with a simple plot about some little girls being protected by very big mechs.
 
Then you would pretty much find all shooting games simpleminded then. Do you not like them? I'll admit that most are boring but games that actually create a great atmosphere (like System Shock, AVP and Half Life for example) can make a game than just a shooter. Games like Doom were great but there's nothing much that sets it apart from other games now. I'll admit that shooters aren't my favourite game choice but when one comes along that holds my interest, it's bound to be good.
 
I've heard of this game I'm not really looking forward to it that much, but I might by it for the PC.
 
I played the demo last night. The game plays really well. And even though the story does seem very interesting, it's still the same formula. It doesn't matter how good the story, if it's not told in an interesting way then it won't succeed. BioShock, like a lot of modern FPS, involve very complex and intricate plots but all unravel the exact same way: you land somewhere, you gain powers, and you spend the entire game wandering down a preset path (which is preset no matter how much of a gigantic labyrinth the world appears to be), and at the end you beat the enemy that is trying to protect everything you are bringing down.

F.E.A.R., Quake 4, Farcry, and Prey are just a few examples of shooters that follow that formula. It doesn't matter if your fighting space aliens as an American Indian or psychic warriors as a government agent, it still unravels in the same exact way and that's what bores me. For me to love the game, then I would need to love the game for its gameplay alone. And the gameplay usually highlights powers that show the best of a feature we all know as ragdoll physics. And that's why it's simpleminded.
 
If you consider Bioshock simpleminded based on a 20 min demo then really you should not play games at all. I'd like also people who consider this game "cliched" to explain as to how that is? If you say because it runs the same way as anything else then I guess it sucks that every RPG has a leveling up system or every beat 'em up has a life bar.

Game mechanics of any game genre will have similarities and while Bioshock has them as well it's clear from the design (that everyone has to admit is new compared to the FPS games of late) that this game on the surface offers so much more and I'm especailly looking forward to actually experimenting with the Plasmids. The idea of setting someone ablaze and then electrocuting them after they jump into a pool of water to put the fire out is just delicious.

You may have guessed that I've been looking forward to this.
 
Going as far to say that "every beat em up has a life bar" is a little drastic.....nearly every game has a life bar. But beat em ups get boring because it's the same thing. Same with any sports game. As for Bioshock being new? Hardly. As I mentioned before, if it wasn't for System Shock 2, they'd never made Bioshock. And both are not a standard "shooter" but have other elements intergrated like RPG or strategy.

Anyway, got my Collector's Edition today (UK) and am SO happy with it. Only played for just over an hour but bloody hell do I love it. Ammo is very hard to find (apart from vending machines...but then money is hard to come by too) but the Plasmids are very fun. Only have tried Shock and Fire but they're pretty cool. Can't wait to get Telekensis and throw back grenades. The graphics are beautiful (I have a HD tv) and the sound is very well done so it adds to the whole game atmosphere (which can be very creepy at times).

If you've played games like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 then you'll know how this game'll play and if you've played those games, you'll know that they weren't considered conventional shooters either. It's about time more games like these are being made. Give us less Dooms and more of these please.
 
I have been playing this all day yesterday and I do not like this type of games at all....shootting games (FPS) drive me nuts one way or another...as I do not pretend, my shooting abilities are crap..though I make my efforts :D and try my bests.

But my hat down to Bioshock..I am trully impressed ...and not to mention it plays so fluedly, it looks great and it is damn addictive :D. Besides it has this great earie, creepy, weird, disturbing atmosphere about it and I do not get easily spooked. I love the post war theme about it, the background random music, the random crazy residents are just equally disturbing, the water effect is amazing.....and finally for someone like me who is studying humans and evolution, religion and all that stuff the general emphasis on themes like those mixed up with genetic manipulations is fantasticly presented....

But...if anyone can call this simpleminded and a cliched then that person should not be posting on this particular forum (if anything is bloody a perfect example of cliched and simple formulated game is a FF series...you do not have to be a bloody rocket scientist to exactly get any particural FF, and if you need to ponder you head over it then I have no further comment, I rest my case) or play games at all as someone above pointed out already.

All games one way or another follow same pattern and same formula...like all movies , like all books do...so we can go very far into discussing cliches when it comes to games in particular and probably would end a never ending damn story.
 
Aztec, because you said you didn't like playing games with preset paths, I'd just like to add that nearly every game HAS a preset path. Hell, games like GTA that are free roam HAVE pre set paths (used as missions to complete the game) so that would mean you don't like many games. Platform games have preset paths, Adventure games have preset paths, RPGs have preset paths. There's not many games that don't have preset paths....otherwise there's be no order to a game and no real goal to accomplish.

And I'd like to know how you thought Bioshock has a good story but that it's not told in an interesting way. I love how it's told.....reminds me of Metroid Prime and again, System Shock 2.
 
That's an incredibly dumb argument. You wouldn't have a game if there wasn't some preordained path but it's not black or white. It's a scalar factor. In BioShocks case, no matter how varied the fighting "styles", you still walk from one room to the next room, defeating enemies along the way. That's nothing at all like having an open ended environment or even large environments that allow combat on a larger scale.

Take for example games like Halo, it's a FPS, just like BioShock but there are lot of large wide-open environments in Halo that BioShock simply doesn't happen. You walk around in narrow corridors. Now granted you can defeat enemies in a variety of ways but the AI did not seem very intelligent. Granted if you set an enemy on fire, he'll jump in lake. But they don't strategize or flank... or anything like that. It's just not as creative or robust as it makes you think.
 
Well, the reason is doesn't have large open areas is because it's set in an underwater world. And the narrow corridors and small spaces are there to create tension. Would an Alien film/game be better if it had large open spaces? It's part of creating the mood of fear, as is the lighting or lack of. Halo has large enviroments because it's made to feel like a war, which it is. Would you expect the same large areas in a space station?

Halo is nothing like Bioshock so the comparison is pointless. Halo has you control a Spartan, a solider trained as a Super Soldier. Bioshock has you control an ordinary man who after a plane crash, finds his way to a mysterious underwater city.

Oh, and as for environment interaction....."If you set an enemy on fire, he'll jump in lake" in which case you can electrocute them. As for the AI not being as smart as the AI in something like Halo.....that's because they're not supposed to be military. Military are expected to take cover and have back up. Everyone in Bioshock is normal people with no military training.....plus they're supposed to have gone insane from their gene splicing/isolation. Do you expect crazy people with guns to take cover behind something or just run about shooting wildly?

You seem to be comparing your arguement with other games like Halo but they're not anything alike other than it's a shooter.

If I rememebr correctly, there's parts of Halo games where you fight inside ships. So are you saying that you don't like those parts too because they're not "large environments that allow combat on a larger scale"? It all depends on where the game is set.
 
The war is on....:D...over Bioshock ....though not gonna comment on Halo...know nothing about Halo...:D..neither I am interested in Halo...to be honest....

Actually I like closed in enviroments rather then large open spaces...well it all depends on the actual game and yes, where it is set...but for the creation of the creepy and weird set up....closed in spaces and narrow dark environments are the best....kind of obvious :)

so where are you at Bid Daddy ?
 
I prefer confined spaces too....means less places to run away. However, Mercenaries was fun because you could use nukes...so you'd HAVE to get far away unless you want to be in the blast range.

I still don't think Bioshock is as scary as playing as the Marines in Alien Vs Predator but it's definetly creepy.

I'm now on the third level after killing another boss. Quite easy once I realised he was throwning molotov cocktails.....just throw them back at him with telekenesis. :D No Big Daddy/Little Sisters in my current level and it looks short so will see what happens when I play.

Maybe next time you come around you'd like to try Condemned?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW2tZGatwSA
 
I remember seeing this trailer I think it was last year with my ex and we were in shock and excited as it looked like a really good bloody game. Ive seen the advert on TV for it and it still gives me goosebumps lol!

If I had a 360, Id be getting this and BlueDragon!
 
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