AVALANCHE damages

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So..sure..in FFVII you save the world and everything..but has anyone stopped to realize just HOW MUCH damage you caused in the process?

Like, I was sitting in my living room playing the game..and I happened to be stopped for a moment in the airship over mideel...well..where mideel used to be. So my grandmother comes up behind me and asks me what the giant green lake thing was. So I just sit there and finally say 'well, that's the small helpful town that me and my crack team assembled to save the world reduced to a lake of toxic liquid...if we move further west you'll see the giant hole that used to be an ancient temple full of valuable secrets until we came along..and even further west we have corel, the small already impovershed town that I drove a train into" Then we just kind of sat there for a moment until I said "Oh yeah, and see that thing in the sky? Yeah that may or may not have been my fault but it's deffinately going to kill everything...and it probably WAS mostly my fault."

Anyway, the point is....how did people not just get really angry at AVALANCHE? I mean..they had media coverage in the game..that was clear...so people must have caught onto the fact that well..AVALANCHE happened to be in a lot of places before they completely went to hell....
 
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HAHA yeah I never took time to think too hard on this subject until I read this post. one of my first responses was that AVALANCHE wasn't really as much fault as Shinra was. Nor was AVALANCHE as well known and powerful. Its easy to understand that the group is rebelions and they do cause damage.
 
Well, after a certain point in the game, it's no longer about AVALANCHE and Shin-Ra, but about Cloud and Sephiroth (or is it Jenova..?)

AVALANCHE was only established in Midgar, right? So the stuff that happens after wards was more as a result of Cloud and the party.

So, yep, Cloud messed up the majority of the planet -_-
 
Ere thats not fair to blame cloud asnd avalanche for the shit they stired up cuase if you look at what those other mothers were gonna do yo would take the lesser of the 3 evils would you not
 
Can you really blame AVALANCHE for the damage caused? In fairness, Cloud and co didn't personally cause all that much damage, other than blowing up the reactors - and even then I don't think people got hurt.

Shinra, Sephiroth and the WEAPONS are what cause the damage to the world, not to mention the Sister-Ray Cannon in Junon (I think I got the name right, haven't played for awhile) so I don't really see how people can be made at AVALANCHE since they STOPPED those things? Imagine how much worse the damage done to the world if the WEAPONs hadn't been defeated? Or Sephiroth?
 
Only thing I would pin on Avalanche really is the blowing up of the reactors, and whatever they may have done before, everything after is more just unfortunate circumstance. Cloud being manipulated by Sephiroth is hardy Avalanches fault. Liekwise Sector VII getting crused, ShinRa blamed Avalanche for sumat they did. They may have done it to GET to Avalanche, but there are better ways at catching someone

If Seph didnt manipulate cloud to get his way, he could easily have maniulated one of hi flunkies, but hey, that's no fun isa it :neomon:
 
I sort of disagree with the comments on this thread thus far. I DID find AVALANCHE's ecoterrorism a bit alarming. I think this is part of what makes VII great. Sephiroth is considered one of, if not the best villain of the series because, in my opinion, he is only a stones throw away from being Cloud. The two are very much alike, they just have different objectives (sorta). This ambiguity makes for an engrossing story. It has very noirish elements to it.
 
I wonder if the world would have been better off without Cloud, because of his mistakes Sephiroth got his hands on the Black Materia.

Especially since Cloud and his crew meant very little in the end (after all, it was the planet that saved itself, not Cloud).

And then you never know, what if Shinra's plan would have worked? What if they had gotten their hands on all the huge materia and used it on meteor? We really only saw one huge materia hit it (unless you got Bahamut Zero, then it was just a rocket).

And if Cloud hadn't tossed Sephy into the Mako in Nibelheim, he may have been stopped early on in his rampage, which would stop just about everything. I mean at that point I doubt he'd have the power to fight all of Shinra on his own.

And if you want to talk about AVALANCHE itself, they know they did alot of harm. Barret admits it:
"It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet. But I was the one who blew up that Mako Reactor...... Lookin' back on it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to do things. I made a lot of friends and innocent bystanders suffer..."

So it's all debatable. Personally, I think the world would have been better of without Cloud, but not necessarily by a whole lot.
 
Interesting OP. It's often that when we sit down and play a game, we automatically assume that the characters we're playing/controlling are the protagonists and they can do no harm as compared to the enemies. But if we rlly step back and think it's rlly about different agendas and ideologies. Sephiroth and SHINRA are widely recognised as the antagonists trying to harm the planet, but Cloud's party and AVANLANCE in some extent also damaged the planet in the process. It's just like perhaps the Iraq war, except that the moral guidelines are much more clearer and justified in the game.

In the end, I don't think we can blame anyone. AVALANCHE did what they did because of how SHINRA got obssessed with energy. AVALANCHE did what they thought was 'best' for the planet, just like how SHINRA thought what they did was 'best', but only for themselves. Can we really blame SHINRA? I mean no one is selfless, I think the game is just trying to show the 2 possible ideologies, the selfish nature of SHINRA and relatively selflessness of AVALANCHE. The destruction caused along the way is just sadly, inevitable.
 
First off I will admit to not reading any of this thread so..err sorry. The 2 remaining members of Avalanche helped Cloud save the planet. So any damage they did along the way was acceptable. What mattered most was saved..in the end that's all that really matters.
 
Fizzban said:
First off I will admit to not reading any of this thread so..err sorry. The 2 remaining members of Avalanche helped Cloud save the planet. So any damage they did along the way was acceptable. What mattered most was saved..in the end that's all that really matters.
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So then the ends justify the means? To what extent are you willing to take this? I will admit that saving the planet must occupy a sort of special place of prominence, but not so much as to waive complete liability for AVALANCHE. While Shinra's actions may well have been grossly negligent, the attacks on the Mako reactors likely killed many who had no say in this decision making -- they were just doing their jobs. Do their families deserve no compensation for their losses?
 
I think that I have decided that while the damage caused by AVALANCHE in the pursuit of Sephiroth (we're talking after they blow up the reactor..that was just plain..no) was that kind of..horrible yet unavoidable damage? I think that the team feels horribly about it...if anyone has read the novells of Tifa that came with AC she talks some about her guilt....but it's the same kind of thing with superheroes, if anyones read any comics, anyone notice how much damage they cause on like..a daily basis? No one really gets mad because they were just happy to be saved from the bad guy. I guess it's the same, everyone is just glad to be alive, everyone who still is alive anyway, so they won't demand recompensation...even if the damage causes was as massive as it was..
 
Dirges for Damcyan said:
So then the ends justify the means? To what extent are you willing to take this? I will admit that saving the planet must occupy a sort of special place of prominence, but not so much as to waive complete liability for AVALANCHE. While Shinra's actions may well have been grossly negligent, the attacks on the Mako reactors likely killed many who had no say in this decision making -- they were just doing their jobs. Do their families deserve no compensation for their losses?
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Ah some one with a conscience. Unexpected... :)

Well the end rarely justify the means. And yes a great number of people would have suffered. Granted what they did was wrong in that they did far greater damaged than what they achieved. And given that they had no prior knowledge of their fate its hard to excuse the actions off hand. But they did save the planet and as such those extremes ultimately ended up being payed for in full. I agree had life continued as it always had then their actions would have been abhorrent. But they had the right intentions (unusually) and those intentions carried them through to the needed conclusion. Were they wrong? Yes. But were their intentions right? Again yes. Fortunately for them those intentions carried them through to the correct conclusion. Had things been different they would have been guilty of much...
Edit: A minor note. If that so bothers you I am surprised you would even mention Shin-Ra. They collapsed an entire segment of the Midgar plate just to kill but a handful of rebels..likely killing thousands of innocents.
 
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