About keyblades

[Oblivion_XIII]

Here's some facts for you (spoilers)

Sora was not originally the keyblade master, it was supposed to be Riku, but Riku gave into darkness, thus throwing away the keyblade. This is why he could take it from Sora in Hallow Bastion.

The reason Riku can use the keyblade again (kh 2) is because he excepted what he was, and he came out of the darkness that consumed him. Therefore, he could wield it again. What triggered this, his fight with Roxas at Memories Skyscraper. He fought with a keyblade in this battle.

Now why can Roxas wield 2 Keyblades? Xion, was basically Roxas' other half (sorta like his nobody) she was a clone of him. But she still was a being capable of learning. She learned how to use the keyblade. But at the end of 358/2 days, she became one with roxas, and that gave him the ability to use 2 keyblades.

These are just theories, but in the first one, about Riku being the original keyblade wielder, is 100% true, dont know about the rest of that theory or the other ones though

 

[Davey Gaga]

Here's some facts for you (spoilers)

Sora was not originally the keyblade master, it was supposed to be Riku, but Riku gave into darkness, thus throwing away the keyblade. This is why he could take it from Sora in Hallow Bastion.

This has come up in another recent thread: although it seems to be an accepted statement, we can't find anything to say, for certain, that Riku was the original Keyblade master. That moment in Hollow Bastion is quickly explained by Xehanort's Heartless when he says that Riku's heart was stronger than Sora's for an instant. As soon as Sora's became stronger, they Keyblade went straight back to him.

The reason Riku can use the keyblade again (kh 2) is because he excepted what he was, and he came out of the darkness that consumed him.

This is just wrong. He embraced the darkness once more in his heart at the end of Days in order to defeat Roxas, explaining why he took on the appearance of Xehanort's Heartless (as what is left of XH resides in Riku's heart). It does seem like a contradiction --that he can use the Keyblade while using the powers of darkness-- but consider this: Roxas and Xion could use the Keyblade while also using the powers of darkness (e.g. using Corridors of Darkness) - perhaps it is not the powers of darkness that determine Keyblade suitability, but whether or not one is consumed by darkness. Since Riku still has his heart, and has only embraced the darkness but hasn't been consumed by it (important: if he had been consumed, he would have become a Heartless/produced a Nobody), I think that's a better explanation as to why he can (still) wield the Keyblade.

Now why can Roxas wield 2 Keyblades? Xion, was basically Roxas' other half (sorta like his nobody) she was a clone of him. But she still was a being capable of learning. She learned how to use the keyblade. But at the end of 358/2 days, she became one with roxas, and that gave him the ability to use 2 keyblades.

Eh, I'm not sure about this one. That should mean that Kairi and Sora should be able to dual-wield, too (I'm not talking about Drive Forms, though - they're not so much part of the lore as they are a gameplay dynamic). Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't Terra, Aqua and Ven shown holding two Keyblades in the KH2 secret ending? Additionally, for a short time, Riku is able to use both Keyblades (during the battle with Xemnas, if Sora is captured you briefly take control of Riku, and a small cutscene ensues where Riku uses both his and Sora's Keyblade to fend off Xemnas).

I can't actually come up with a theory, though...I'll do some digging.

 

[King Sean]

Here's some facts for you (spoilers)



Now why can Roxas wield 2 Keyblades? Xion, was basically Roxas' other half (sorta like his nobody) she was a clone of him. But she still was a being capable of learning. She learned how to use the keyblade. But at the end of 358/2 days, she became one with roxas, and that gave him the ability to use 2 keyblades.

Roxas can dueal wield because his complete form (Sora) has two hearts within him (Ventus's and his own) and they in turn can both wield Keyblades, thus giving him the ability to dual wield. This is why Sora himself can dual wield, maybe even outside drive forms.

And I don't remember Riku dual wielding in KH2 I remember Sora dual weilding his keyblade and Riku's once Xemnas weakens Riku to the point where he can't fight properly. But if he did, I have a theory about it. I can't quite explain it, though

 

[Davey Gaga]

Bugger, I'm wrong about Riku dual-wielding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9auiGcNJECk

However, Terra, Ven and Aqua can definitely dual-wield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt1WdmSxWzg

I like the theory about Sora's ability (and Roxas's inherent ability) to dual-wield through Ven but then it doesn't explain why these three can already do so.

 

[Oblivion_XIII]

Damn, I havent really read up on bbs, I dont wanna spoil it for myself

That should mean that Kairi and Sora should be able to dual-wield,

Kairi just learned how to use a keyblade (via harnessing the power in "Sora's heart")and namine cant use the keyblade.

Another thing, Sora can use drive forms because of the power that Roxas gave him (ex. dual wield)

 

[Davey Gaga]

But Roxas is half of him, he can't give him anything extra, can he? Would it not also be because of the fairies that Sora can use Drive Forms?

 

[Oblivion_XIII]

but, sora had a full heart even while roxas was apart from him. And it seems as though that roxas may have half of sora's heart, because he can cry?

Remember, roxas is a special nobody after all

 

[King Sean]

I'm not so sure Roxas gave Sora any power to use Drive forms. I am thinking that he maybe had that power already and the three faries just brought it out with the clothes they gave him in KH2.

And I don't think Sora's heart was full when Roxas left him. When Sora became a Heartless, he surely had no heart, or had maybe half of it, which allowed him to stay conscious while being a heartless. Kairi's power allowed him to retain his fomr whilst having a weakened/no heart.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Only because his other half's still up and walking. He can't remember anything because of Naminé's influence on Sora.

Of course Sora would still have a full heart - Roxas being alive has nothing to do with it. He's a Nobody --without a heart-- so it's not as though he'd have been stealing Sora's heart otherwise. I think Roxas's uniqueness simply comes from the fact that Sora's still around.

 

[King Sean]

I just remembered that Sora''s heart went into Kairi and then when she embraced him, she gave it back, so he did have a full heart after becoming a heartless, while he did not have it for a short while

 

[Neo Bahamut]

Tetsuya Nomura confirmed that, from a storyline standpoint, Sora can use 2 Keyblades whenever he feels like it. I would actually speculate that he can probably use THREE at any given point, since he does it in the Roxas battle, & because of the aforementioned thing about Xion & Roxas. Kairi may be able to, but we're not exactly sure what's up with that yet. I'm not sure why Riku has the Synch Blade ability.

 

[Oblivion_XIII]

I still think its because xion took (or copied) the keyblade ability from roxas in days. But when she "returned" to roxas, she gave him all his abilities back, and then some. So what is Roxas gonna do with 2 abilities to use the keyblade, eh

 

[Neo Bahamut]

Well, yes, the reason that Sora & Roxas can use multiple Keyblades is because of that whole fusion thing that they keep doing for no apparent reason.

 

[King Sean]

I still think its because xion took (or copied) the keyblade ability from roxas in days. But when she "returned" to roxas, she gave him all his abilities back, and then some. So what is Roxas gonna do with 2 abilities to use the keyblade, eh

He is going to return that power to Sora. After all, that is the fate of a Nobody, ohohoho/ DiZ

Roxas may come back dual-weilding in some future game. As there is a secret ending in a certain game that features them, and the ending of another game almost proves it.

 

[Oblivion_XIII]

which games, have you played bbs yet?
and you may be talking about 358/2 days

 

[King Sean]

I haven't played BBS, I was horribly spoiled while lurking KHI (Kingdom Hearts Insider) forum, then I just started researching the game on my own.

Spoiler

The secret ending has a scene where Axel, Xion, and Roxas are having Sea-salt icecream somewhere.

And at the end of coded, Data Sora is told that Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Xion, Axel, and Namine all need saving from their torment and that they torment has been slightly
lightened.

 

[Oblivion_XIII]

i need to research coded.....
the thing above, is like a sample of most of the cut-scenes in 358/2 days

 

[Kurughi]

hmmm so coded does have a piece of storyline in it? maybe i should research it abit as well either way my theory is that sora has always had the ability to dual wield but has never thought about it or wasnt aware that he could do so i believe roxas can duel wield since sora himself could dual wield but roxas never realized this after xion's death(probly sounds stupid but whatever)

 

[C2]

haha nice, you just taught me alot rite there.

 

[Number_XV_Naxuri]

Only because his other half's still up and walking. He can't remember anything because of Naminé's influence on Sora.

Of course Sora would still have a full heart - Roxas being alive has nothing to do with it. He's a Nobody --without a heart-- so it's not as though he'd have been stealing Sora's heart otherwise. I think Roxas's uniqueness simply comes from the fact that Sora's still around.

This may be slightly out of context and I'm thinking I'll make a post on it... but I have a theory that Roxas had his own heart even as a nobody, I have a theory that Nobodies can regain a heart since it is based that your 'heart' is a power based on you and your being. It's made stronger by the bonds of your friends and all the conections. Roxas, Axel, and Xion were freinds like Sora, Riku, and Kairi. I believe that when Roxas returned to Sora he had obtained his own 'heart' in a way, the duel wielding would seem to come from Xion, and in turn, Soar gained this ability, I just don't think he might have understood how to do it by himself and each time Roxas did duel-wield he was overcome by emotion of either anger or sadness, and in the fight with Axel I think it was a bit of sadness and long for what they had.
So the ability may have been transfered from Roxas to Sora, then maybe He might have not known how to control this power (since it seemed emotions drive it) but the faires gave him a way to channel it, even if for a short time. This is a bit of speculation on my part. Mostly with the fact of nobodies regaing their heart...