Is Seymour the real main villian?

I'll have to say no because Sin was really one one who killed how many people. Seymour was more of a sadistic bump in the path compared to Sin. Sure he wanted to become Sin, and kill everyone in Spira, he was trying to do the right thing for the wrong reason.
A habit of people in this game.
 
The great thing about X was that it split away from the archetyptual FF Big Bad long before Vayne spouted some nonsensical justification for his imperialism & got credit for being the "first deep villain," however that works.

If you want to skip everything below, here's the short answer: There is no "main villain" in X, although Seymour would fit best into the usual role.

Sin/Yu Yevon=In my opinion, they can't be counted as the "main villain," because they're just unusually tough monsters, from a plot standpoint. I do think it was a great idea to make them the focus of the story, though. It adds variety to the series, instead of making another Garland/Emperor/Sephiroth/whatever.

Seymour=He is the closest thing X has to an archetyptual FF Big Bad. He's a nihilist who wants to destroy the world, is very powerful, a decent manipulator, & an eloquent public speaker. What is great about Seymour is that he ultimately fails so hard. You never really think that he realistically had a shot at his goals, thus illustrating that Sin is far beyond what humanity can handle. At the same time, his plan was sound, so maybe he could have done it at some point. And, unlike some villains, he actually wants to help Spira deep down, in his own twisted way, & that's probably why he doesn't come back after Sin is killed.

Yunalesca=While she originally seemed to have malevolent intentions, there are plenty of indications that she just acts out of love for her father & concern for Spira.

The Maesters=Although they sit in seats of unscruitable power & seek to protect the status quo, whenever they don't, Sin blows up another goddamn village. In this way, it's not hard to argue that they were looking out for the Spirans. Hell, when Mica finds out that the Final Aeon is gone, he flees the world in despair. He's not doing that to protect himself, or anything. He's dead. What does he care if Sin attacks him?
 
before Vayne spouted some nonsensical justification for his imperialism & got credit for being the "first deep villain," however that works.
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His motives make perfect sense and aren't hard to understand at all. Wrong thread to debate though - PM me if you'd like to discuss it.

I still argue that there isn't a main villian in FFX. this is evident in how Jecht shows up as a representative of FFX in Dissidia, and not Seymour or Yevon. Jecht is the main villain...to Tidus, whereas Seymour befits Yuna. Yevon -could- be considered the main enemy...if he had more backstory. :/
 
I think he's definitely the main villain, his ultimate goal is to take over as Sin, which is the strongest living thing within all Spira, and you even
fight him inside Sin at the end
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Rydia said:
Seymore is kind of like Sephiroth. He is the main villian for the party through most of the game but at the end, you fight the guy that was behind the villian.

Sephiroth is the main antagonist for the characters for VII, however, Jenova was the real villian and the bigger threat of the game.

Same with VIII, you fight Edea, however, Ultimecia is the real villian.

So Seymore is the main antagonist, but Yu Yevon/Sin is the real villian.
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Totally agree with you Rydia. Seymore to me is just the annoying little mini villian you have to battle to get through to the Big Bad IMO. He was just a major pain in the arse, its like how many beatings does this dweeb want??
 
Golbez was the fit for Cecil, as Jecht was for Tidus. Using Dissidia wasn't the best example, I guess. My point stands though, there is no clearly visible 'main' villain for FFX.
 
I'd say it differs according to perspective. He certainly was the major obstacle of the party's for the majority of the game.

I would defintely say that Jecht isn't a villain, though. Antagonist, yes. Villain, no.
 
(May have be mentioned, I only read the first couple pages...sorry if this is a repeat). You know, Yu Yevon was actually a good guy when you think about it. I mean, he created Sin in order to try to protect his people, right? I suppose we don't really know who started the Machina War, but it can be argued that Yu Yevon was trying to end it. Things just went terribly awry once Sin was created.

I think that's part of what makes FFX so interesting, is that it's so hard to pick out a main villain. It's kind of like FFVIII, how the story is fashioned in a way (some would say just lazy writing, but let's be optimistic) that there are numerous theories the fans can create to fill it in to their heart's desire. Also, the scope of "bad guys" in FFX is pretty realistic in that there is really no pure evil in it...Everyone has motives, everyone has reasons, and everyone has rationalities. It could be argued that Sin is pure evil, but I don't really count that as a person, haha.
 
I always got the feeling that they were going for some deep philosophical/metaphorical/whatever angle by way of death itself being the main villian. The topic of death being the driving force behind Spira popped up at some key moments
(Mika's big reveal as an unsent and what Sin is comes to mind).

While the way they went about it sometimes irritated me, it was all in all a solid concept. That no matter our actions, we cannot escape death. In some cases, we can only prolong it.

Either this, or I was that drunk(last play through I only played when I came home drunk) while playing it that I just imagined my above thoughts. But either way, I think it suits more than one of the actual characters being the antagonist.
 
They really set him up to be the main villain during the course of the game, but in the end he was just kind of tossed aside to make way for Yu Yevon. I'd still say he's the primary baddie, mainly because he was most involved with the party and attacked them on a personal level as well.

Or maybe the game just doesn't have a main villain. Jecht was a tragic character you actually felt sorry for, and Yu Yevon was an emotionless monster who had been trapped in a cycle for centuries.
 
There actually isnt a villain in Final Fantasy X, this should be very apparent by playing through the story, which makes the game much more interesting in the end.

Seymour as evil as he might have been portrayed at times just had a different way about going to solve Spira's "sorrow" - he wants to destroy Spira to solve the issue, the exact opposite of what Yuna was trying to do in the story. Basically trying to do the right thing with all the "wrong" outcomes.

Jecht obviously was not the main villain either - Jecht is trapped in the cycle of killing as Sin and wants to summon son Tidus into the world of Spira to kill him so he can stop the cycle of killing as Sin. The easiest way to accomplish this is to utilize an unsent to bring him there, Auron (who is killed by Lady Yunalesca).

Yu Yevon also isnt a villain either - this is VERY important to note about Final Fantasy X. Although Yu Yevon is the creator of Sin, the original intent of Yu Yevon creating Sin was to not let Zanarkand fall to Bevelle in the war that had taken place 1,000 years prior to the story of FFX in Spira. Yu Yevon had the citizens of Zanarkand that had survived turned into the "Fayth" and thus created Sin so he could protect himself from ultimate death. Because Bevelle used machines and technology to destroy Zanarkand, Yu Yevon created Sin with the intent of "seek and destroy any city that makes the usage of machines (machina) and technology".

Yu Yevon basically has 2 purposes all throughout the 1,000 year history - to continually resummon Sin, AND to ensure that Dream Zanarkand remains (after the real Zanarkand is destroyed by Sin). Yu Yevon's downfall is that he did not realize the maintenance of summoning Sin AND maintaning Dream Zanarkand would be far too much for him to handle. This causes him to lose his humanity (explaining his parasitic looking form at the end of the game) and causes Sin to become an instinctual creature which only carries out the original instructions dealt to it - destroy machina and technology and use the final summoning to eternally regenerate Sin.

Ironically once this instinctual form takes over with Sin, the first order of business it takes is based on its instinct - the opening scene in Final Fantasy X of Sin destroying the real Zanarkand because it relies so heavily on machina and is very technologically advanced. This is why Dream Zanarkand exists, because Yu Yevon did not want to lose the memory of the real Zanarkand (also where Tidus originates from).

Based on this knowledge, Yu Yevon is quite the sad character in the fact that hes trapped in an endless cycle of resummoning Sin and maintaining the memory of Dream Zanarkand and cannot break free of it. The only way to stop the cycle of what Yu Yevon is doing is to destroy him. Ironically enough, Jecht is trapped in the same cycle as Sin itself, because he became Lord Braska's Final Aeon and is now the current Sin, which causes him to have Auron summon his son Tidus from Dream Zanarkand to destroy him and stop the cycle. Once Jecht is destroyed and Yu Yevon, the fayth stop dreaming and Tidus vanishes because he is only a dream created by the fayth of Dream Zanarkand.

Yunalesca might be the only character in the story up for debate regarding being a villain because her story isnt fully explained, but Yu Yevon is her father and she was given instructions on how to tame Sin and she passed this on to the brass at Bevelle. One could make a case that she is only doing what her father instructed her to do, another case could be made that she is a misguided figure much like Seymour.

To someones post from long ago that was in this thread about Final Fantasy X being a religious game, most definitively "Christian" - NOTHING could be further from the truth. In fact, this game indirectly and directly goes out of its way to be ANTI-religious, again most definitively ANTI-christian. The false teachings of Yevon, pointing out Yevon as a fraud, the corruption at Bevelle especially amongst the Maesters, the blind followers (example: Wakka, lol), and to the point of someone calling Tidus "Jesus Christ" - Tidus doesnt even truly exist in the reality of Spira, hes a dream created by the "fayth" further extending the mockery of religion, this is why he vanishes at the end of the game.

With all this said, it is a terrific and deep game with no villain that truly exists, and that is what makes this fantastic game so unique in the Final Fantasy series and so addicting to play :) I think I might just fire up a new save file :)

Hope this clears up any confusion on Final Fantasy X :)
 
Well....

Sin is the main monster of FFX. The problem in Spira. But..Sin is really Yu yevon. the thing controlling it. So Yu Yevon is technically the main villian. But we dont know this till way at the end of the game. so untill then Seymour is the Villain. and to add. Seymour had plans for Yujna to become sin. So seymour=Main villan. yu yevon is a sub-villian because we dont here about him till the end. We focused more on seymour and his Villianiness.
 
SummonerAmaterasu said:
Well....

Sin is the main monster of FFX. The problem in Spira. But..Sin is really Yu yevon. the thing controlling it. So Yu Yevon is technically the main villian. But we dont know this till way at the end of the game. so untill then Seymour is the Villain. and to add. Seymour had plans for Yujna to become sin. So seymour=Main villan. yu yevon is a sub-villian because we dont here about him till the end. We focused more on seymour and his Villianiness.
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i understand your point but sin was the cause for seymour to become evil even if it was yu yevon..
 
Seymour was fucked up before his plans of sin Grim. Seymour commanded total attention for evil. Sinjecht was controlled by Yu Yevon. and Yu yevon was the back seat villian that really didnt do anything. it was Seymour who set part of the story in motion.seymour who alerted The heroes to Yunalesca and Yevon.

Seymour=Main villian. Yu yevon=useless side villan.
 
SummonerAmaterasu said:
Seymour was fucked up before his plans of sin Grim. Seymour commanded total attention for evil. Sinjecht was controlled by Yu Yevon. and Yu yevon was the back seat villian that really didnt do anything. it was Seymour who set part of the story in motion.seymour who alerted The heroes to Yunalesca and Yevon.

Seymour=Main villian. Yu yevon=useless side villan.
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whatever i'm just pointing My opinion that is all
what you think is your problem

sin= the endless cycle of death (and most of the story revolves around him anyway you see it)

Seymour=side boss/evil bastard

yu yevon=master mind/worthless boss
 
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