One part that confuses me is now that I look back after beating it is when he's at the Farplane. He goes to the Farplane and his mom appears because she "accepted" death before she died. But if Tidus and Jecht are both dreams anyway than wouldn't that make her just a dream? So she wouldn't exist really either? Am I explaining this very well? So basically if a "dream" person dies they wouldn't make it to the Farplane because they don't really exist, right?
What about Tidus' mom?
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all of zanarkand was real. SPOILER BELOW
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it was recreated (or dreamed) by the tens of thousands of its former inhabitants stuck in the crystal walls who are dead but not really dead...yet. tidus and jecht are two such beings created from those dreams. in that sense they're real people - but whose lives are sustained by dreaming. if tidus and jecht rejected death it isn't shown why.
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I'm sorry, Tmoo but what? lol Your post completely threw me off. o_o It has nothing to do with anybody rejecting death...xD I'm totally confused.
This is my theory. I could be wrong so please don't hold me to what I'm about to say here. When the Fayth stop dreaming, Tidus goes to the Farplane does he not? We even see him at the end of the game as he dives off the airship and disappears, he meets up with Braska, Jecht and Auron. So perhaps when somebody 'dies' in Dream Zanarkand, that's just one less person the fayth has to continue dreaming up and therefore that person goes to the Farplane? I'm not really sure because I don't know how much significance his mother holds tbh.
Another thing too you must not forget is that pyreflies react to a person's thoughts and feelings and create images of them on the Farplane, or at least that is the Al Bhed theory. Speak with Maechen a lot throughout the game and you learn a lot of these things. But truthfully for all we know his mother may not even be there since she technically never existed, but Tidus IS there at the end of FFX, we all know this. Otherwise, he wouldn't have met Braska, Auron and Jecht there. Hmmm I think maybe the 2nd theory with the whole pyreflies reacting to Tidus's feelings and memories makes more sense come to think about it.
Actually you know...the pyreflies only show people who are dead on the Farplane. I just remembered that. So maybe both of these theories are leaning more towards being correct. Hmmm. I'm interested to see what others might think.
This is my theory. I could be wrong so please don't hold me to what I'm about to say here. When the Fayth stop dreaming, Tidus goes to the Farplane does he not? We even see him at the end of the game as he dives off the airship and disappears, he meets up with Braska, Jecht and Auron. So perhaps when somebody 'dies' in Dream Zanarkand, that's just one less person the fayth has to continue dreaming up and therefore that person goes to the Farplane? I'm not really sure because I don't know how much significance his mother holds tbh.
Another thing too you must not forget is that pyreflies react to a person's thoughts and feelings and create images of them on the Farplane, or at least that is the Al Bhed theory. Speak with Maechen a lot throughout the game and you learn a lot of these things. But truthfully for all we know his mother may not even be there since she technically never existed, but Tidus IS there at the end of FFX, we all know this. Otherwise, he wouldn't have met Braska, Auron and Jecht there. Hmmm I think maybe the 2nd theory with the whole pyreflies reacting to Tidus's feelings and memories makes more sense come to think about it.
Actually you know...the pyreflies only show people who are dead on the Farplane. I just remembered that. So maybe both of these theories are leaning more towards being correct. Hmmm. I'm interested to see what others might think.
That's just it though, Tmoo. They WEREN'T dead. They were never real to begin with, so how could they be dead? They were just dreams of people who'd once existed in Zanarkand. We were made aware by X-2 that Tidus was based on Shuyin who actually DID exist, and tiger never once said anything about Tidus and Jecht rejecting death. Go back and re-read the post. She said his MOTHER accepted death. Yuna told this to Tidus on the Farplane because he questioned that nobody had ever performed the sending for her.
WanderingAesthetic
Blue Mage
The way I understood it, all the people in Zanarkand were real people, they were just made and sustained by the dreams of the fayth. So they could live and die like anybody else. Does that make sense?
No it doesn't make sense because the people who didn't die in Zanarkand are the ones who became the Fayth. The rest of them died because of the giant machina war between Zanarkand and Bevelle. Bahamut's Fayth explained this when he asked you to come and visit him. Zanarkand didn't stand a chance against Bevelle in the war. So, these people who became Fayth wanted to preserve the lost Zanarkand if only in a memory, and so they began the summoning of the place and began dreaming up their visions of the people who lived there. The people who died were real, living people at one point. The ones that were summoned from the dreams of the fayth were completely different, hence Tidus and Jecht.
if it's explained in X-2 then color me converted 
it's the one FF game i haven't finished. back to the OP if tidus and jecht went to the farplane too then i would venture the lot of them are real (to clarify: in the sense that they exist and can breathe, eat, think and touch in yuna's world), dreamed-up or not.
it's the one FF game i haven't finished. back to the OP if tidus and jecht went to the farplane too then i would venture the lot of them are real (to clarify: in the sense that they exist and can breathe, eat, think and touch in yuna's world), dreamed-up or not.
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If Tidus was just a dream then how would the Farplane be able to react to his thoughts anyways? If it does, maybe because she was real at one point it reacted to his thoughts thinking about her and she appeared. But then again Jecht would show up too.
Bahamut's Fayth explained that both Tidus and Jecht had been touched by Sin and that they'd become more than just mere dreams at that point. They were living, breathing and existing in Spira's world. Therefore, Tidus DID have feelings, emotions, memories, and thoughts. Because of that, the pyreflies reacted to them. Also no, Jecht would not show up because he wasn't dead. He was Sin.
But if everyone is just a dream of people that had already died in the original battle that left Zanarkand in ruins that wouldn't he be there too because he would've died then too?
The way I understood was that Tidus was based off a real person. So, his memories are probably the exact same as the person's he was based off of. Since they were real, he could see his mother who was dead. Unfortunately, FF10-2 never explained this farther, but did show us the person that Tidus was based off of.
Another possiblity is the simple fact that, like, I believe, Rikku said, the pyreflies just respond to memory and since Tidus remembered his mother and knew she was dead, he saw her there, but he didn't want to see his father, so he didn't. Now that I type it out this seems more likely.
But really, we don't have a clue, do we?
Another possiblity is the simple fact that, like, I believe, Rikku said, the pyreflies just respond to memory and since Tidus remembered his mother and knew she was dead, he saw her there, but he didn't want to see his father, so he didn't. Now that I type it out this seems more likely.
But really, we don't have a clue, do we?
Can't be bothered reading through the whole thread right now so if I'm repeating someone, sorry. 
Basically my theory:
The pyreflies react to a persons feelings, so the dead person who appears (whether it be Tidus' mum, Braska etc.) is not really that person. Just an image that was created by the pyreflies and peoples thoughts.
Now, even though Tidus and his mother were never real, to Tidus, she WAS real and so is he (at this point in the game he doesn't really know much about the Fayth). So, in Tidus' thoughts and heart, his mother existed, and died. This was enough for the pyreflies to react, regardless of the two of them being a dream.
If that made any sense atall.
Basically my theory:
The pyreflies react to a persons feelings, so the dead person who appears (whether it be Tidus' mum, Braska etc.) is not really that person. Just an image that was created by the pyreflies and peoples thoughts.
Now, even though Tidus and his mother were never real, to Tidus, she WAS real and so is he (at this point in the game he doesn't really know much about the Fayth). So, in Tidus' thoughts and heart, his mother existed, and died. This was enough for the pyreflies to react, regardless of the two of them being a dream.
If that made any sense atall.
No because he's not the dream of an actual person that once lived in Zanarkand. He is just an image, maybe based off of somebody who used to live in Zanarkand. Therefore he is a completely different individual.
I looked at it as taking Rikku/Al Bhed's ideology one step further. I believe the pyreflies only create images of people you truly believe to be dead. Or possibly, since X2 says they live under the crust of the planet as far I as understand, they can since when some one has died, dream or not.
Plus there's the whole neuroscience that goes into this. When we're in a dream, we believe every little aspect to be 100% real, no matter what any one says, until of course, we wake up.
Then there's the whole fantasy part of Final Fantasy which says, "Programmers and writers are gods. Don't question them ever. Just accept what you see."
Plus there's the whole neuroscience that goes into this. When we're in a dream, we believe every little aspect to be 100% real, no matter what any one says, until of course, we wake up.
Then there's the whole fantasy part of Final Fantasy which says, "Programmers and writers are gods. Don't question them ever. Just accept what you see."
mizushinzui
Auron's Apprentice
Okay, as far as I know what is true (just through playing the games, nothing more) is this:-
On the farplane the pyreflies react to the memories of a loved one in your head, because of the ideology of yevon everyone entering the farplanes is told that they are going to see the re-incarnations of the dead, so they think about the dead people and they appear. When Tidus attempted to see Jecht he couldn't because he didn't believe that Jecht would show because he knew Jecht wasn't dead.
Both Tidus and Jecht are 'real people' in the sense that they are living breathing things and have beliefs, personalities and memories. The Zanarkand that they came from was not real, but was in-fact the re-incarnation created from the memories of 1000's of dead zanarkandians (not a real word but who cares) and that is were Tidus remembers being from. It is entirely possible that he was never there in dreams or in reality. (the first stages of the game could just have easily have been the replaying of a memory)
Another interesting point is this: if you don't think that Tidus and Jecht are real, Do you think that fiends are real? They are all constructed from pyreflies. Check out the end of the game, both Jecht and Tidus (and possibly auron, can't remember) start to fade to pyreflies like fiends do if you kill them. I would assume also that they are real purely because they are walking around killing and maiming things, and if you're not real, you're gong to have trouble doing that.
On the farplane the pyreflies react to the memories of a loved one in your head, because of the ideology of yevon everyone entering the farplanes is told that they are going to see the re-incarnations of the dead, so they think about the dead people and they appear. When Tidus attempted to see Jecht he couldn't because he didn't believe that Jecht would show because he knew Jecht wasn't dead.
Both Tidus and Jecht are 'real people' in the sense that they are living breathing things and have beliefs, personalities and memories. The Zanarkand that they came from was not real, but was in-fact the re-incarnation created from the memories of 1000's of dead zanarkandians (not a real word but who cares) and that is were Tidus remembers being from. It is entirely possible that he was never there in dreams or in reality. (the first stages of the game could just have easily have been the replaying of a memory)
Another interesting point is this: if you don't think that Tidus and Jecht are real, Do you think that fiends are real? They are all constructed from pyreflies. Check out the end of the game, both Jecht and Tidus (and possibly auron, can't remember) start to fade to pyreflies like fiends do if you kill them. I would assume also that they are real purely because they are walking around killing and maiming things, and if you're not real, you're gong to have trouble doing that.
ChocoboTamer
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The Fayth tells Tidus that him and his father where special dreams, which means the mother wasn't special... or wasn't a dream, or where so special they could live with people that existed....I have no idea, maybe the mother was just an illusion but was really some other person...Correct me if i'm wrong.
Ok from what I know, obviously Tidus and Jecht are dreams made up by the fayth, so in a sense, they weren't real, they existed in another world, I mean at the beginning Tidus panicked because he didn't know anywhere but Zanarkand (I think) but as Bahamut's fayth said as soon as they had contact with Sin they became more than dreams.
As for Tidus' mum, she was in the dream world too, but seeing as she died in dream Zanarkand, in a way she wasn't real, but seeing as Tidus became real he had memories that became real also.
As for Tidus' mum, she was in the dream world too, but seeing as she died in dream Zanarkand, in a way she wasn't real, but seeing as Tidus became real he had memories that became real also.
I was playing FFX again recently and something clicked for me when I payed attention to the explanation about Yu Yevon. I can't recall who said it but I remember that, "clad in it, Yu Yevon performs the eternal summoning" or something to that effect, and that the thing he is summoning is Zanarkand. I've realised that in order to summon anything, a Fayth is required. The Fayth preserved Zanarkand in a dream, so I think it's safe to say that the Zanarkand that Yu Yevon is summoning is the Dream Zanarkand -- that is to say the Zanarkand from which Jecht and Tidus have been removed.
Since Yu Yevon exists in Spira at the time of the game, and existed when Jecht's story was in play, I believe that the reason Jecht and Tidus were "touched by Sin" is because the Zanarkand of 1000 years passed is what was being summoned at the time of Yuna's story.
This sounds confusing but in my head it now seems pretty clear as to how Jecht and Tidus were able to go from Dream Zanarkand to Yuna's Spira (the fact that Yu Yevon is summoning Zanarkand is also evidenced by the fact that "Inside Sin" much resembles/depicts Tidus's Zanarkand). I can only suggest that Jecht was randomly chosen to cross the "barrier" between dream and reality, and it was therefore appropriate for Tidus to be the 2nd person to travel there. His mother was probably just like every other person in Zanarkand who wasn't "chosen" to go to Spira (then again, she died when Jecht disappeared, so maybe her eligibility is irrelevant anyway).
Since Yu Yevon exists in Spira at the time of the game, and existed when Jecht's story was in play, I believe that the reason Jecht and Tidus were "touched by Sin" is because the Zanarkand of 1000 years passed is what was being summoned at the time of Yuna's story.
This sounds confusing but in my head it now seems pretty clear as to how Jecht and Tidus were able to go from Dream Zanarkand to Yuna's Spira (the fact that Yu Yevon is summoning Zanarkand is also evidenced by the fact that "Inside Sin" much resembles/depicts Tidus's Zanarkand). I can only suggest that Jecht was randomly chosen to cross the "barrier" between dream and reality, and it was therefore appropriate for Tidus to be the 2nd person to travel there. His mother was probably just like every other person in Zanarkand who wasn't "chosen" to go to Spira (then again, she died when Jecht disappeared, so maybe her eligibility is irrelevant anyway).
Ok from what I know, obviously Tidus and Jecht are dreams made up by the fayth, so in a sense, they weren't real, they existed in another world, I mean at the beginning Tidus panicked because he didn't know anywhere but Zanarkand (I think) but as Bahamut's fayth said as soon as they had contact with Sin they became more than dreams.
As for Tidus' mum, she was in the dream world too, but seeing as she died in dream Zanarkand, in a way she wasn't real, but seeing as Tidus became real he had memories that became real also.
This made the most sense to me, I think, reading through this thread. What I don't understand, though, is that Tidus is based on Shuyin. I've played FFX-2 a few times, and I don't think I've ever come across that explanation.
