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RoseDincht

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So personally I've come to the conclusion that it's really nobody's business what religion you are or what you believe (or don't believe) in. Christians, Catholics, and whatever don't need to force their beliefs on others (as they are infamous for doing, of course).

But then again, that same rule should apply for athiests.

If an athiest person doesn't believe in God, then that's fine. Who really cares? So what's the point in flaunting it off to everyone and being like "Oh I don't believe and you're stupid for believing"? They go on forums, talk smack about God infront of those who believe, which is pretty much the same on forcing their believes onto another person. Isn't that exactly the reason why they hate Christians/Catholics to begin with?

They might disagree and say "I'm just voicing my opinion!", which is good. But seriously, when they voice their opinion that passionately (or fanatically) to another character, what else could that possibly be?

Did anybody notice the same thing? Is anyone else annoyed by it?
 
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RoseDincht said:
So personally I've come to the conclusion that it's really nobody's business what religion you are or what you believe (or don't believe) in. Christians, Catholics, and whatever don't need to force their beliefs on others (as they are infamous for doing, of course).

But then again, that same rule should apply for athiests.

If an athiest person doesn't believe in God, then that's fine. Who really cares? So what's the point in flaunting it off to everyone and being like "Oh I don't believe and you're stupid for believing"? They go on forums, talk smack about God infront of those who believe, which is pretty much the same on forcing their believes onto another person. Isn't that exactly the reason why they hate Christians/Catholics to begin with?

They might disagree and say "I'm just voicing my opinion!", which is good. But seriously, when they voice their opinion that passionately (or fanatically) to another character, what else could that possibly be?

Did anybody notice the same thing? Is anyone else annoyed by it?
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QFT.
The place for flaunting a religion is your place of worship, if you have no religion, then you shut the fuck up.

Most "atheists" these days are obnoxious little teenagers who think they're being rebellious. I should know half the people from my school are like that.

Christianity bothers me in the sense you get alot of thick-skulled Christians condemning non-believers to hell, which is in fact against the religion, as their god forgives all, oh wait I missed a bit.

God forgives everyone!.....

.....except fags and non-believers.

Ridiculous, you don't see me preaching around do you? Because no one seriously cares.

So atheists, christians and anyone else who flaunts off their religion, Cram it because the only ones who care are you and your god(s).
 
I really dont care if they beilive or not, it's their loss in the end!
and voicing your opinion should be with respect!
 
Tidus Blade said:
i really dont care if they beilive or not, it's teir loss in the end!
and when voicing your opinion about religion, it should have respect to other religions!
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Double post = lol

The thing is you just did precisely what I said. "It's their loss in the end" there's that preach again. That maybe so, but in other peoples cases it isn't.
 
Which brings me to another point.

Atheists can't really point fingers at Catholics/Christians for what they do, becuase Catholics/Christians can turn around and point fingers at them for the same exact thing.

"You're preaching to me about converting to Christianity, even though I don't want to!"

"You're preaching to me about how what I believe in is useless and trying to get me to stop believing even though I don't want to."


"Selling Bibles and wearing crosses is stupid!"

"Talking about getting married in the Church of Satan and wearing upside down crosses is stupid!"


See what I mean?

And yeah, most athiests who try to force their beliefs on other people are mostly those stupid little kids trying to be an individualists (funny how all of these individualists are exactly the same). I mean hell, I come from a Catholic family, and my parents are friends with an Athiest family, and we get along JUST FINE because nobody's being an ass about what we believe in and what we don't believe in. It IS possible, you know.

If you're going to be an athiest, then be an athiest. But don't make yourself look ridiculous in the process (trust me, I'm well aware that Catholics/Christians do that on a daily basis. Just look at Bush). After all, if you hate Christianity so badly then why would you make yourself out to be no better then they are?
 
personally, I think you're blowing the whole situation out of proportion. You see, I go to a Catholic school yet I am Atheist. =D

Anyways, as you might not know, I get ridiculed every day for being what I am. I mean, I am alone by believing in what I do. You do say that Atheist flaunt their believes to try and "covert" someone, yet in reality, they are merely trying to stand up for themselves. Sure, there are some people that go to forums and trash talk their by talking smack about god and whatnot, but I mean, there was probably a trigger for that. For every action, there is a reason.

Another thing, you form a thread about how Atheist are bad because they do such horrible acts, but in reality, you just persecuted everyone by creating this thread. YOU singled them out by what they do, yet in reality, there is people who are Catholics and Christians who do the same thing. There is a thread questioning if there is a God, yet they press everything and use theological references to further insure that if people don't believe, they should. If you haven't noticed, it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment. I don't mind, though. =D

A side note: The whole prospect of going to others to smack their beliefs in them is part of human nature. It's the simple concept of being better than everyone else.
 
Splintered Visions said:
personally, I think you're blowing the whole situation out of proportion. You see, I go to a Catholic school yet I am Atheist. =D

Anyways, as you might not know, I get ridiculed every day for being what I am. I mean, I am alone by believing in what I do. You do say that Atheist flaunt their believes to try and "covert" someone, yet in reality, they are merely trying to stand up for themselves. Sure, there are some people that go to forums and trash talk their by talking smack about god and whatnot, but I mean, there was probably a trigger for that. For every action, there is a reason.

Another thing, you form a thread about how Atheist are bad because they do such horrible acts, but in reality, you just persecuted everyone by creating this thread. YOU singled them out by what they do, yet in reality, there is people who are Catholics and Christians who do the same thing. There is a thread questioning if there is a God, yet they press everything and use theological references to further insure that if people don't believe, they should. If you haven't noticed, it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment. I don't mind, though. =D

A side note: The whole prospect of going to others to smack their beliefs in them is part of human nature. It's the simple concept of being better than everyone else.
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This post stinks of win.
Me and friends tend to question religions alot, in science lessons of all things, but it never escalates more than that, like cramming it in other peoples faces that our beliefs are correct.

We all believe in different things, there's only one christian I know who doesn't cram his beliefs down everyones throat. Also he has his head in the right place and is neither catholic, protestant or any sub-christian religion as he sees them all as stupid, they all worship the same god and Bible, and I agree with him.

"it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment." I don't agree with that, to be fair, this thread wouldn't have started without a reason as you stated earlier, which means said Preaching Christians/Atheists etc. must have annoyed the thread starter in order to post this. It doesn't make the Christians out to be bad people, it's just saying they don't like the way they do it, and we're all entitled to rant about it, the same could be said for them being entitled to preach their religion, so either way you lose I guess.

As for me, I follow in my ancestoral roots, and believe as they did. Also I apologise for my ancestors creating what we know as Manchester. :P
 
The most common misconception I'm seeing is that when an atheist is asked to defend himself, or why he doesn't believe, some people just don't like it, so they turn it around and try to make it seem like the atheist is attacking him. It could also be said that someone asked why an atheist doesn't like Christianity or isn't Christian, and it could be something along the lines of something the atheist does not like in the Christian religion or the bible. This is something you see on forums, not necessarily because there was a Christian or religion bashing thread created for that purpose, but because there was a thread asking why atheists don't believe, or why they aren't Christians, and it is a religious debate forum. This does not necessarily mean that atheists don't want other Christians to believe in God. When they think that believing in God is absurd or ridiculous, it does not necessarily mean that they think other people should stop believing in God, but they think it is absurd for themselves to be believing in God. Part of it might also be because many atheists believe that faith is blind, while other people value faith more than they do. Generally, it should be that an atheist can explain that he doesn't rely on faith, but it does not mean that he is saying other people shouldn't. I can't speak for every case that exists on the Internet, but there is a distinction that you can see, if you read it carefully. However, that is to say that you can't label all atheists as proud and ignorant people to religion, just as you can't label every Christian as a proselytizing, bible thumping, religiously intolerant jerk.
 
To tell you the truth, I find any thread on forums to normally be quite balanced. If there's ever an Atheism-based thread, I find that said Atheist question's the Bible, or questions reasons behind beliefs, or challenge's the religion in some way. Same with Christians/Muslims/whatever other religion. A similar topic you could have created is 'What's the point in a Bible Basher?', as it's the same thing, isn't it?
 
What always amazes me is how atheism has prospered on the basis of religious freedom guaranteed by the US and other countries, yet has grown into a political and social monster bent on destroying those exact rights. Certainly, you can legally “believe” in whatever you want, but when schools ban any form of religious discussion, and when youth actively practice religious discrimination without consequence, something has gone horribly wrong in this “modern form of religious freedom”.
 
^ To that, I would say "au contraire". Let's use a similar example for Catholicism, shall we?

It's that time of year at our school where we practice our "Social Dancing", previously called "Scottish-Country Dancing" in Primary school. It's so much fun for most people, myself included. However, a few of the indian girls in our year, Nimisha and Lydia, are permitted to exclude themselves from dancing because it goes against their religion and their beliefs to dance with the opposite sex.

Firstly, there's a few contradictions here. The school is a Roman Catholic High School. If the school teaches Catholicism and Christianity, why don't they realise that this part of their "religion" is untrue? Why can so many other bible-bashers in my year, also Catholic, that can dance with the opposite sex? Why is it that they can exclude themselves from "dancing" with boys because of their religion, but I, an Atheist, cannot exclude myself from Relgious Education, school Masses, Reconcilliation, etc? I'd say that I, the Atheist, have less rights and free choices in my school than the Catholic.
 
Splintered Visions said:
YOU singled them out by what they do, yet in reality, there is people who are Catholics and Christians who do the same thing.
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If you bothered to read anything I've posted, you would've seen that that was exactly what I was saying. Thank you for wasting your time.
 
Riku said:
^ To that, I would say "au contraire". Let's use a similar example for Catholicism, shall we?

It's that time of year at our school where we practice our "Social Dancing", previously called "Scottish-Country Dancing" in Primary school. It's so much fun for most people, myself included. However, a few of the indian girls in our year, Nimisha and Lydia, are permitted to exclude themselves from dancing because it goes against their religion and their beliefs to dance with the opposite sex.

Firstly, there's a few contradictions here. The school is a Roman Catholic High School. If the school teaches Catholicism and Christianity, why don't they realise that this part of their "religion" is untrue? Why can so many other bible-bashers in my year, also Catholic, that can dance with the opposite sex? Why is it that they can exclude themselves from "dancing" with boys because of their religion, but I, an Atheist, cannot exclude myself from Relgious Education, school Masses, Reconcilliation, etc? I'd say that I, the Atheist, have less rights and free choices in my school than the Catholic.
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Because you are at a ROMAN CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL. I'm talking about a non-affiliated public high school, which should not be biased for or against any form of belief (atheism included). Not only that, the discrimination against atheists by followers of religion does not excuse the discrimination done by atheists.
 
RoseDincht said:
If you bothered to read anything I've posted, you would've seen that that was exactly what I was saying. Thank you for wasting your time.
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It was more of it being directed at you for thinking the way they do. Secondly, I was sort of agreeing with you on the concept of that, but it was in my rambling sentence. I tend to get like that. ;)
 
What discrimination is there being done by atheists in a public school? If you're not allowed to discuss religion in public school, then that would mean that atheists can't talk about how they don't like Christianity because then they are talking about religion, or why they think atheism is better than other religions. Perhaps their way of preventing discrimination is to eliminate any kind of religious discussion at all in school. School isn't necessarily there to tell you how to lead your life, or what morals you should live by. That's religion school, and they do it in a way that conforms to a particular religion, not just any one you want.
 
Adamant said:
What always amazes me is how atheism has prospered on the basis of religious freedom guaranteed by the US and other countries, yet has grown into a political and social monster bent on destroying those exact rights. Certainly, you can legally “believe” in whatever you want, but when schools ban any form of religious discussion, and when youth actively practice religious discrimination without consequence, something has gone horribly wrong in this “modern form of religious freedom”.
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How have athiests discriminated against Christians in the public school system? Schools did not ban religious discussion in the classroom. What they did remove is forcing prayer in school. Why should a Jewish or Muslim child be forced into group prayer which is not their own?
 
When students are constantly told on a regular basis that religion is evil and "uncool", when the mere mention of religion is banned from the classroom, when popular songs (particularly older Christian songs) have religious sounding lyrics censored for a school chorus rehearsal, just to sound less "offensive", that is not religious freedom. That is discrimination, and I blame it on the assimilation officials in our school boards.

Schools did not ban religious discussion in the classroom
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Maybe not 40 years ago, but they do now. :)
 
Adamant said:
When students are constantly told on a regular basis that religion is evil and "uncool", when the mere mention of religion is banned from the classroom, when popular songs (particularly older Christian songs) have religious sounding lyrics censored for a school chorus rehearsal, just to sound less "offensive", that is not religious freedom. That is discrimination, and I blame it on the assimilation officials in our school boards
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You live in Britain, right? I have never once heard of this, locally, nationally or globally for that matter.
 
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