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The Illusive Man

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I was just having a bit of a discussion with Kelly on Msn and ended up speaking about one of my deepest and darkest secrets that very few people that know me know of.

I dont know why but after getting it off my chest, I feel a bit more compelled to tell more of you about it, so I guess that why I made this thread.

As some the older members know, I used to be a Full contact Kickboxer from a young age up till the age of 21 at which point I just suddenly gave it up, and many people including my parents have often wondered why, I was afterall pretty good at what I did, representing Great Britain in the Championships In Vienna and even taking a WKA British title in my weight category...

The usual reason I give people is because of injury, a kidney injury I sustained during a match, but continued despite the pain I was in....but that is only part of the truth of why I decided to give up kickboxing as a competitive sport...

The main and actual reason was during a championship defence in Preston, against a fellow member of the same club who had recently moved from semi-contact points into full contact continuous, I was briefed by my instructor to take it easy, and he the same...however his friends were goading him so he didnt listen to the words of the instructor and came in hard....

By this point in time of kickboxing I was also suffering from a common thing all martial artists gain after participating in tournaments for a long degree of time, and unhealthy addiction to the adrenaline you get from having pain inflicted on you, this adrenaline rush would put me on a high and I would become extremely aggressive and unrational, and would basically be out to "hurt" someone as much as I could, not caring for the consequences...

Anyway, he had kept hitting me low during the fight to the eventual point where I just stuck out my jaw and said "Come on then wanna be the big man in front of your mates knock me out"....he threw quite a big right hander, which triggered an adrenaline rush in me and I just unloaded on him, even swinging for the referee as he tried to break the onslaught in the corner...

Eventually on the third round I had so much adrenaline pumping through me, I even started snapping at my corner man saying "I'm gonna knock him the fuck out for that cocky fuck hes going fucking down!", my corner man knew there was no reasoning with me at this point and just said..."Go for it", hoping that exhaustion would take hold and I wouldnt have enough left in me to knock him out.

Again he came in low, and I uppercutted him and followed up with a full blown round house kick to the side of his head (a muai thai style hip twist round house that puts your entire bodyweight behind the kick) the kick connected and he was out cold....and slid down my leg, completely out of it.

I moved my leg and he dropped to the canvas without putting his hands out to stop himself, he was out for what felt like forever....even with adrenaline still in my system, I had realised what I'd done and felt sick to my stomach...they tried smelling salts, water, everything....but he still wasnt coming round.....It was at this point it time I began to panic....I honestly believed I had killed him....

Eventually though he did come round and after lots of appologising from me, he was takin to hospital to be treated for heavy concusion...but I will never forget that day, and I will never forgive myself for it, I still have nightmares about the knockout....but rather than him waking up....he doesnt and all I see is a blood covered face....its almost surreal..

So to those of you that think "oh yea it would be cool to kill someone with your bare hands"....let my experience be a lesson....

It is not cool, its the most horrible feeling I've ever experienced....and it will probably haunt me for the rest of my life...

Thanks for reading if you decided to read all that, and I hope it gives you a bit of insight into why I am...like I am.
 
dam dude,, im a older member but due to inactivity didnt know this you where a kick boxer :O i hope you can get that out of your head one day i know how moments like that can shake your whole life up lol.. had a few major anger issues when i was like 14-15.. i was a kick boxer too but i was told to leave my gym because i had come down to the final of my towns championship, and my opponent was 1)one of my best friend 2) female and 3) had injuries, so i refused to fight her.. and so my gym lost to there rivals,, but fuck it lol..more to gain in honour than victory
 
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FF, why did they have you fight a woman?
 
its actually an often done thing, sometimes catagories can be rather small for woman and due to equal opportunities they will mix some of the catagories to allow both male and female competitiors.

And just because someone is female doesnt make them weak, one of the toughest kickboxers I ever met was a female, and she was one of the few people I wouldnt want to get in a ring with :P
 
yeah jack ass had the womans champ kick boxer on against one of them, and he got fucked up big style and it was only a little woman to.. and yeah it happnes but i wont touch a girl, ref'ed or not, especially a good firend
 
I never claimed women were weak, I just find the idea odd for some reason.

Im from Holland and kickboxing and Mauy Thai is huge here, but i've never even heard of a man ever facing off with a woman.

I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
 
Wow Jill. You're a tough guy. That must have been really hard for you and I mean..really you must have been terrified when you thought you killed him. How long has it been since you've quit the sport? Gosh those flashbacks must be just awful... =(
 
yeah it doesnt happen in world wide or mabie county wide tounris coz they, like other sports, have womans and mens titles but when its club vs club or town tournis, it can be M vs F coz of short numbers mainly on the F side
 
Wow Jill. You're a tough guy. That must have been really hard for you and I mean..really you must have been terrified when you thought you killed him. How long has it been since you've quit the sport? Gosh those flashbacks must be just awful... =(

I would not say I'm a tough guy, far from it, tough is not something I would define from combat or ability to win fights, toughness is more of something that comes from emotional strength and matters of the heart and soul as far as I have always been concerned...

I have not stepped in a ring since the age of 21, so coming close to 5 years soon, and the nightmares are something that often come to me when I've had a bad day...

Something tells me its something I will have to live with for the rest of my life, and you have no idea just how strong the fear I felt when I thought he was not going to wake up...
 
oviously i dont have experiance in THAT kin of situation and that kind of feeling about something like that but i myself think i could live knowing i had killed someone... at leats if it was a accedent... or through there own fail... mabie not if i done it purposley.. but that kinda thing seems to run in my dad family/friends ='/
 
I really don't mean this in a cold way, but surely that's a risk everybody takes when they step into a full contact sport? I wouldn't blame you for it, don't think you should blame yourself. Totally understandable how it's had an impact on you, and it must've been a terrible feeling, but it could happen to any fighter, on the recieving end or giving.

I mean that with no disrespect, so please don't take that in a bad way.
 
I would not say I'm a tough guy, far from it, tough is not something I would define from combat or ability to win fights, toughness is more of something that comes from emotional strength and matters of the heart and soul as far as I have always been concerned...
That's what I meant by my comment. ^^

I have not stepped in a ring since the age of 21, so coming close to 5 years soon, and the nightmares are something that often come to me when I've had a bad day...

Something tells me its something I will have to live with for the rest of my life, and you have no idea just how strong the fear I felt when I thought he was not going to wake up...

I know and that is why I think you're a strong person. You have to deal with this constantly. But you learned from it so I think it was a positive experience. No one died and you learned a valuable lesson.
 
It is not cool, its the most horrible feeling I've ever experienced....and it will probably haunt me for the rest of my life..

I might have to disagree. Maybe its just me growing up around violent games and being picked on as a kid, but if in a fight, i really enjoy hurting someone.

Now if it ever came to a situation like yours, i might begin to panic. But it all depends on if me and the other person were friends or if we hated each other. I really cannot say unless its happened to me also.
 
Wow dude, that is some scary shit! Not to say anyone deserves to get hurt, but he was kind of asking for it. Even though a nasty concusion came at your foot, it really is the only way he could have learned his lesson. Even though you may feel terrible about it, what could you really do when he was essentially trying to do that to you. At that point you had to choose if it would be you or him. I know that sounds bad with his mindset of going into the match, not following instructions and using a martial art in a negative light is completely wrong, he had to suffer the consequences for his actions.

Anyways man, I can certainly understand why you'd want to get out of the sport, that's a bad feeling to have to deal with, very traumatizing. But on the same token, I think you should probably move forward and not dwell so much on what happened. He's recovered now, he never died, so you can leave that guilt behind. I think that if you love the sport, learn to control your adrenaline a little, that you should go back to it. You learned your lesson from the match, you learned a little more about yourself in the process, so maybe it's time to get back into it. I would understand if that isn't easy to do, but maybe your ready.
 
You don't have like undiagnosed PTSD do you?
You could get help if you wanted.
I'm not saying you need it or anything.
Just trying to help.
 
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