Kuja Jecht ExDeath Evil or Good?

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There is something that i'm wondering about these characters in Dissidia

both Kuja Jecht and ( if i'm not mistaking ExDeath ) are not really vilians anymore since they all regretted their actions at the end

So why would they take the chance to change their destiny for their own gain?
 
oops sorry i thought i put a warning under the thread title i do apologize
 
Well Ya you can say that but they are both very evil still. Well that is what I think. Exdeath looks much more evil than Kuja. Kuja looks so innocent. He does not look like he is evil but he is. Yeah but they are still evil.
 
Kellox said:
oops sorry i thought i put a warning under the thread title i do apologize
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Some people follow links to threads as opposed to viewing them on the main page, like me. Also, try not to make posts that are non-contributory to the discussion - just PM me with something like that, in the future. Thanks. xD
 
Just popping in to let you know I've also edited your thread title, since the character's name is ExDeath and Exeath. ;D
 
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Just popping in to let you know I've also edited your thread title, since the character's name is ExDeath and Exeath. ;D
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you mean not Exeath right? lol i first thought you meant he had 2 names.

I haven't played the game with ExDeath i am still shocked to find out he is a tree..

also Sosuke Aizen your post confused me a bit are you saying Kuja and Exdeath are both evil or that Kuja still is good compared to him?
 
Jecht is
a good guy. He helped to defeat Sin and was forced to become it afterwards, but he doesn't like this, he simply has to. In Dissidia he doesn't care for anyone else on the Chaos side, his motivations are to help Tidus grow. He's a hard man, but not evil in any way.

Kuja isn't so much
evil as he is misguided. He loves himself to an unhealth point as he is a narcissist. At first he was working for Garland to wipe out Gaia for the Terrans, but this wasn't his plan. Later he wanted to rule the world, not out of malice but out of feeling that only he in his perfection could rule best. He then wanted to erase existence by destroying the crystal, but once again it wasn't because he was evil, it was because he didn't think it was fair for people to have to live without him. He's not malicious, just overly full of himself.

Exdeath is
an evil mofo, though. He is a tree possessed by evil spirits sealed within it for a thousand years, even having Enuo inside him, the most evil being in the FF V universe. He wants to return everything to nonexistence with the Void because he is full of evil.
 
The 'good guys' of the Chaos side are Jecht and Golby. Full stop. Kuja near the end has a bit of a change of heart, but is not good in the slightest before then. Both Jecht and Golbez are effectively double agents, Golbez more so.
 
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Oh boy are we really doing this? Going by the events of the game and the dialogue, the only chaos characters that are not evil are Jecht and Golbez. Everyone else is evil, especially ExDeath. Golbez conceded that he was dark and joined chaos, but helps and advises the heroes along the way. Jecht just wants to fight, and is generally hated by the other bad guys
 
Well what about Gabranth? Gabranth is on the evil side in Dissidia but
He never was technically evil. everything he did was for what he though would benefit the empire and all of Ivalice. Yes, he did kill the king, but he did it for reasons he thought was right, and in the end he was shown to care most about Larsa, and that he would do anything to protect him. So how was he truly bad?
 
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I've never considered Jecht or Kuja as evil. Especially Jecht because really, he just plain isn't. Tidus had some "Daddy issues", and he counts as Tidus' "rival". In a different sense I suppose, you could say he's on the "contrasting side".

I agree with the statement about Kuja being misguided. Though, I guess it rests on everyone's personal opinions on whether or not to count remorse/insanity as an excuse for ones previous actions.
 
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I've never considered Jecht or Kuja as evil. Especially Jecht because really, he just plain isn't. Tidus had some "Daddy issues", and he counts as Tidus' "rival". In a different sense I suppose, you could say he's on the "contrasting side".

I agree with the statement about Kuja being misguided. Though, I guess it rests on everyone's personal opinions on whether or not to count remorse/insanity as an excuse for ones previous actions.
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If we focus just on this game, Kuja's pretty evil. To put it in perspective, if someone who had never played FFIX picked up Dissidia, they would probably "Wow. This Kuja is one evil guy."
 
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If we focus just on this game, Kuja's pretty evil. To put it in perspective, if someone who had never played FFIX picked up Dissidia, they would probably "Wow. This Kuja is one evil guy."
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Oh, in that case I absolutely agree with this post:

The 'good guys' of the Chaos side are Jecht and Golby. Full stop. Kuja near the end has a bit of a change of heart, but is not good in the slightest before then. Both Jecht and Golbez are effectively double agents, Golbez more so.
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Though, I still think that some may feel the same about Kuja without playing IX too. That could be my bias, though. xP
 
Well about Kuja i have to disagree

at the end if IX
He regretted his actions in fact he finally learned what it truly means to be alive he even said it he found it out to late and now in Dissidia did he just forgot the entire scene with his brother? why does he want to change his destiny for his own gain ?
 
The characters in Dissidia are (at least as I assumed) slightly alternate versions of their original, much like Kingdom Hearts. They make no mention of (in fact they almost entirely disregard) events or characters in any of the games that the characters came from (probably in order to not require knowledge of each of the games to enjoy them). The closest thing they get to referring to game events (besides some in-jokes) is Golbez and Cecil knowing that they are brothers (as opposed to using the very evil pre-revelation Golbez). It seems for every other villain they used the versions of them when they were at their nastiest; events from specific games seem to have no bearing.
 
The characters in Dissidia are (at least as I assumed) slightly alternate versions of their original, much like Kingdom Hearts. They make no mention of (in fact they almost entirely disregard) events or characters in any of the games that the characters came from (probably in order to not require knowledge of each of the games to enjoy them). The closest thing they get to referring to game events (besides some in-jokes) is Golbez and Cecil knowing that they are brothers (as opposed to using the very evil pre-revelation Golbez). It seems for every other villain they used the versions of them when they were at their nastiest; events from specific games seem to have no bearing.
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The characters in Dissidia aren't like the FF characters in KH at all...

In the KH series they aren't the same being, they look similar and have the same names, but Cloud in KH is not Cloud from FF VII, etc. In Dissidia, however, these are the characters literally plucked from their own worlds by Cosmos or Chaos. Cloud in Dissidia is the same Cloud from FF VII.

Also, there are quite a few references to the FF's these characters were originally in, Cloud and Sephiroth even reference AC.
 
SOLDIERis1337 said:
The characters in Dissidia aren't like the FF characters in KH at all...

In the KH series they aren't the same being, they look similar and have the same names, but Cloud in KH is not Cloud from FF VII, etc. In Dissidia, however, these are the characters literally plucked from their own worlds by Cosmos or Chaos. Cloud in Dissidia is the same Cloud from FF VII.

Also, there are quite a few references to the FF's these characters were originally in, Cloud and Sephiroth even reference AC.
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Wow. Somebody misinterpreted what I said. I’m not saying that they were designed to be different characters. My point is that in order to make the game work (as in having all the characters together in the game), changes needed to be made. The whole premise of the game causes various contradictions, which is slightly alleviated by avoiding references to individual games (at no point in the game is any other character from any FF game mentioned). From when in time where the characters taken from their worlds? All of the villains had died in their respective games. You could say Chaos revived them, but they seem to have no memory of their deaths. Also, there are many contradictions with all many of the characters. Many of the heroes are dealing with internal struggles that they were resolved in each of their games. Cecil was regretful and unsure of himself as a dark knight, but he repented and became a paladin, so what’s going on with him in this game? Same with Terra, Cloud, Squall, and Tidus.

What I meant with the Kingdom Hearts remark was that the game designers tweaked and changed the characters around to suit the game. If you tried to use these characters as they were exactly at the end of each game, we’d have a self-confidant Paladin Cecil, A braver and more courageous Terra, A more self-assured Cloud, a kinder Squall, and a Tidus who isn’t so pissed at his Dad, but we don’t. It’s no fun that way. It’s fan service. A Paladin-only Cecil would be boring. They had to change things to make the game work.

and btw, if you want to give some examples of these many references you mentioned (I'm talking actual references, not just vague allusions and nods), please do so.
 
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No references to other characters, what are you talking about? Cloud says that Firion reminds him of Zack with his dreams and such. Cloud comments on how meaningless his continuing fight with Sephiroth is because he always comes back. One of Cloud's victory lines is "I'm your living legacy," an obvious reference to Zack. Sephiroth says that Cloud is still a puppet, as he had controlled him before. That's just with FF VII. There are definitely references to other characters from different FF games.

Also, there's no need for you to act so defensive. I was simply pointing out that unlike in KH these are the same characters, and the creators have left it up to the player to decide if it is canon or not.
 
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No references to other characters, what are you talking about? Cloud says that Firion reminds him of Zack with his dreams and such. Cloud comments on how meaningless his continuing fight with Sephiroth is because he always comes back. One of Cloud's victory lines is "I'm your living legacy," an obvious reference to Zack. Sephiroth says that Cloud is still a puppet, as he had controlled him before. That's just with FF VII. There are definitely references to other characters from different FF games.

Also, there's no need for you to act so defensive. I was simply pointing out that unlike in KH these are the same characters, and the creators have left it up to the player to decide if it is canon or not.
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Yay. Now I'm being attacked...

Anyway, the references you mentioned are nowhere near explicit enough. Saying things like "you remind me of someone" or making vague references are little winks aimed specifically at the people who know what the character is aluding too, but it's just common dialogue to those who don't know. I'd really like to see something more explicit (like perhaps a character being named), not as a challenge, but I'd like to see if one exists. I've played through all the story-lines multiple times and I'm fluent in Japanese and haven't found anything yet. If there is one I must have missed it.

I never assumed this game was canon (I assumed it wasn't). To me, this is like Smash Bros or various comic-book cross-overs and what not (though there were many canon comic-book cross-overs), which was deviate just enough to make an excuse to do what they wanted (which was, in this case, putting a bunch of different FF characters together).
 
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