Diagnosis: "Human"

OmniscientOnus

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Ok, so in the last couple of years we have been seeing all kinds of new disorders and diseases coming into fruition from the medical and psychological devisions. I want to look specifically at two of them. Attention Deficit Disorder (AKA: ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (AKA: ADHD).

For sake of ease, let me loosely define them for anyone who is unsure. ADD is essentially the inability to stay focused on any particular issue for any reasonable length of time. ADHD is the same thing, only not only can you not stay focused, but you also have difficulty staying calm. If you want the full definition I suggest searching a government sponsored medical organization's website.

Now, in the last decade or so, psychologists have created two new terms for what they believe are psychological disorders. Basically, this means that these are not new disorders that have come about, but are simply newly recognized, and named. These terms are, of course, ADD and ADHD.

What I'd like to debate on is whether or not you believe that these are real disorders, or whether they are just a way to make a prophet. A disorder, remember, is something out of the norm. The majority of the population can not have a disorder. In order to be "out of the ordinary" less than 50% of the given population must be infected. With that being said, here's my take:


I'll start with ADD because it was the first to be "recognized" as being a psychological disorder.

ADD is nothing more than a way to make money. It may have started out as a real issue, but it has turned into such a problem, that all kinds of kids are being diagnosed with it. I believe that a group of psychologists basically got together and said, "What is wrong with these kids today?", and went from there. Through studies they found that many children (especially those entering adolescence) had difficulty focusing on any given task for more than a few minutes (approximately 11 minutes to be precise). Through even more research they discovered that this inability to stay focused was the reason these kids were failing in school, having difficulty learning, and sometimes even misbehaving. So, they slapped on the label "ADD" and laughed all the way to the ritalin funded bank. Here is why I believe that this disorder is a farce.

How long is the average television show? Approximately 22 minutes (the other 8 being for commercials). These 22 minutes are usually broken up into 2 to 4 different segments leaving each segment approximately 5.5 to 11 minutes long. Convenient that this is also the approximate attention span of children with this disorder, is it not?
How many hours does the average young adolescent spend watching television each day? According to the AACAP it's 3-4 hours a day. So, what we are really saying is that for approximately 3-4 hours a day children are only forced to stay focused for 5.5 to 11 minutes at a time in order to fully attain the knowledge needed to comprehend the activity at hand.

Next we'll cover school. Grade school has two factors that add to this issue. One is that each class is approximately 45 minutes to an hour long. The second is how a lot of teachers set up their classrooms. In the most organized classrooms you can find (which are few and far between these days), with the best teachers, you will often find that any lectures that take place are typically broken up into 15 minute long segments, and for a reason. The reason is simple, in any given period of our life, unless we are covering something that really catches our attention, we only really remember the first 15 minutes, and last 15 minutes, of the event at hand. This is not to say that we do not comprehend, or even recollect, any other portion of any activity, it is just saying that our most cognitive times are the first 15 minutes, and the last 15 minutes. Therefore, a good teacher will break up his lecture at approximately 15 minute intervals in order to keep the mind constantly on the topic at hand. This means that even in the best, most organized classroom, children will typically only need to prolong their attention span to 15 minutes. Not much better than TV.

Finally we move on the the last largest contributer: the internet. Yes, my friends, the internet is a glorious tool which places the vast knowledge of man at your fingertips; but let's face it, you spend more time surfing porn then Plato, don't you?

Children especially fall into the "myspace", "facebook", and "livejournal" traps of the internet, and their not exactly using it intelligently like our good buddy kyle (South Park reference). Kids aren't using these sites to broaden their horizons, their using them to hook up, show off, post useless surveys and questions. I bet most kids spend more time unknowingly pleasuring pedophiles than they do waxing ironic with intellectuals on myspace, AIM, or even MSN. What I'm getting at is that the internet is just another tool that adds to the amount of time any given child spends living their life 11 minutes at a time.


As far as ADHD goes, well, if you're spending all day at school, watching television, and surfing the internet, the only real exercise you're getting is a few quality moments with your good hand. And frankly, the human body needs to move in order to function properly. Not only will inactivity cause you to be fat, but it actually slows down the rest of your body's abilities as well.

So, if all of these things contribute to short attention spans, and hyperactivity, how can I claim that they are a farce? Simple. The majority of children, adolescents, and (slowly but surely) even adults, now suffer from this "disorder", and it can't be a disorder if it infects the majority. But more of what I'm really getting at here is that this is not something that should be cured with medication.

This is something that needs to be cured with books with more chapters than pictures; with television that's more exotic than erotic; with movies that provide more stimulation than they cause; not with pills or prescriptions.

In conclusion the diagnosis of "ADD" or "ADHD" are nothing more than a diagnosis of "human".
 
I finally understand what you mean about thoseo long, long posts xD I actually did read it all, though, so no worries.
So, if all of these things contribute to short attention spans, and hyperactivity, how can I claim that they are a farce? Simple. The majority of children, adolescents, and (slowly but surely) even adults, now suffer from this "disorder", and it can't be a disorder if it infects the majority. But more of what I'm really getting at here is that this is not something that should be cured with medication.
Basically (and quite right, too) you're trying to establish the fault in the technical term, aye?

I'm not entirely with the idea that the majority can have either of these syndromes, but I'm not entirely denying it, either. Seeing as I practically live in such environments with people with these "syndromes," I can see how much the people play the teachers, often against each other. When they can't even pick up their books, open them to the page and start following the simple instructions, there's something going on beyond attention spans.

I'm finding it difficult to put anymore of my thoughts into words right now. I'll see what I can come up with in the morning.
 
Now that was a long post, yeah I read it all, and when you put it that way it is hard to call it a physiological disorder if we are causing it to ourself, right? It is a known fact that television, and the internet can do more bad than good for you (by the way I noticed how you didn't mention video games :P)

I'm with you that these aren't illness that need to be treated with medicine and stuff, I myself I'm guilty of not reading books and watching a lot of tv, but I think that I can keep myself focus for more than 15 minutes in anything, unless is something really, really boring
 
I finally understand what you mean about thoseo long, long posts xD I actually did read it all, though, so no worries.

Basically (and quite right, too) you're trying to establish the fault in the technical term, aye?

I'm not entirely with the idea that the majority can have either of these syndromes, but I'm not entirely denying it, either. Seeing as I practically live in such environments with people with these "syndromes," I can see how much the people play the teachers, often against each other. When they can't even pick up their books, open them to the page and start following the simple instructions, there's something going on beyond attention spans.

I'm finding it difficult to put anymore of my thoughts into words right now. I'll see what I can come up with in the morning.

You should see how long these posts are before I cut them down. :P I just know that no one is really going to read everything I have to say if I leave them as long as I originally make them.


I guess when I think about it, saying the majority have these syndromes might be a tad overboard despite the seemingly chronic outbreak of diagnosis'. And, since I now think that majority may be out of line, I think I'm also kind of ruining my own point of view, and therefore destroying the whole reason behing the thread. I guess instead of trying to say that ADD and ADHD are fake disorders... well, I guess I really don't know how to word it. I believe the symptoms exist, I just don't think they are disorders. I think they are more of a new generations way of life due to programming I suppose.
 
...Why are we still talking about the length of posts? For the love of humanity, if members turn away because a post is " too long D: " and therefore miss the fruitful benefits of the information given, it's no wonder the population's intelligence is declining. Ironically, one can connect this exemplar to the actual topic at hand: supposed incapability of focusing for longer than 15 minutes or so, and the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD. Personally I sway between a bit of both sides.

There's significant proof that the mind is more apt to remember the first and last portions of any said display, and short is certainly sweet and easy. In this respect, as well as the encouraging forms of media, I can see Omniscient's argument that "ADD and ADHD" are merely new ways of life for us. In addition, the medical field hasn't exactly been existing for the "benefit of my fellow humans" so much as the "benefit of my wallet size" as of late, especially when they're already known to have invented diseases which, despite proven wrongful in concrete fact, still passed (i.e. diagnosing natural women's behaviour as one of a colourful variety of diseases.)

Mainly children have these, but it's probably due to the developing mind and, being so small in a world so large, an immense need to explore and define yourself. After you've been around for awhile, you're able to settle down and focus because such things aren't so new to you anymore.

Not everyone in the classroom is incapable of focusing though. You've said decent teachers divide their lectures into segments, but what of the... not-so-decent ones? If everyone was indeed incapable of focusing in that environment, then everyone would fail the course - which is certainly not the case.

I think, in a way, everyone has certain levels of 'ADD' or 'ADHD' - but to me the lesser levels can merely be titled "lazy" or "unmotivated." There are those on the higher scale that I do believe can benefit from medication and truly do have a disadvantage in their ability to focus, as I've tried conversing with a friend of mine who's been diagnosed with this, heh. Bless 'im, he's a good kid. Though the medical field has indeed over-diagnosed this disease.
 
...Why are we still talking about the length of posts? For the love of humanity, if members turn away because a post is " too long D: " and therefore miss the fruitful benefits of the information given, it's no wonder the population's intelligence is declining. Ironically, one can connect this exemplar to the actual topic at hand: supposed incapability of focusing for longer than 15 minutes or so, and the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD. Personally I sway between a bit of both sides.


The length of posts topic is more a side joke than anything else. It's just out of the ordinary to see a post more resemble an essay than anything else. But, I think we all can agree that a long post does not automatically mean a lesser post, and should not be put down in any way. Of course I would say that though. After all, typically I am the one being referred to when it comes to long posts.

Yes, the irony there made me laugh a little myself when I was posting.

There's significant proof that the mind is more apt to remember the first and last portions of any said display, and short is certainly sweet and easy. In this respect, as well as the encouraging forms of media, I can see Omniscient's argument that "ADD and ADHD" are merely new ways of life for us. In addition, the medical field hasn't exactly been existing for the "benefit of my fellow humans" so much as the "benefit of my wallet size" as of late, especially when they're already known to have invented diseases which, despite proven wrongful in concrete fact, still passed (i.e. diagnosing natural women's behaviour as one of a colourful variety of diseases.)

Here, here.

Mainly children have these, but it's probably due to the developing mind and, being so small in a world so large, an immense need to explore and define yourself. After you've been around for awhile, you're able to settle down and focus because such things aren't so new to you anymore.

Agreed. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Not everyone in the classroom is incapable of focusing though. You've said decent teachers divide their lectures into segments, but what of the... not-so-decent ones? If everyone was indeed incapable of focusing in that environment, then everyone would fail the course - which is certainly not the case.

I agree that not everyone is incapable. Surely I was, so therefore we can already rule out everyone. A broad majority linger a little more than I would constitute as "normal" however.

I think, in a way, everyone has certain levels of 'ADD' or 'ADHD' - but to me the lesser levels can merely be titled "lazy" or "unmotivated." There are those on the higher scale that I do believe can benefit from medication and truly do have a disadvantage in their ability to focus, as I've tried conversing with a friend of mine who's been diagnosed with this, heh. Bless 'im, he's a good kid. Though the medical field has indeed over-diagnosed this disease.

I agree. There are most likely at least a few individuals who truly could benefit from medication, or at least some form of treatment. Instead, however, the mass diagnosis is actually taking the attention away from the kids who need it and placing it all on the ones who are clearly misdiagnosed. Threads like mine are the perfect example of steering away the attention from the kids who may truly benefit, because they may truly suffer. ADD and ADHD are good ideas, and I do believe that some people definitely have these syndromes.
 
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