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Yes, he obviously does play a role in the plot. He's the Iifa Tree's true form, if I remember correctly, and his presence is definitely alluded to during the game. However, the fact remains, whatever role Necron does play is incredibly small for a "final boss." In all honesty, I had trouble...

Well...if it always misses bosses, then I'd have to say that it just isn't supposed to effect bosses. I mean, what else can they do except have it miss? They aren't going to program a unique reaction for each boss to use whenever Gilgamesh uses Zantetsuken when it's much easier to just have...

This. Ultimecia is nothing more than a 100% generic, apathetic antagonist who has the approximate depth of a tea cup. Probably less. She's the type of villain who will constantly kick everyone around her despite relying on them for basically ever single aspect of her master plan. She's...

I manipulate nothing. I go by what we see in the FFVII Compilation and nothing more. You, however, have manipulated fundamental logic to make Zack seem superior to Cloud. And how do you know that Sephiroth dominates Zack in all of 10 moves? I think it's fairly obvious that there's a battle...

Yes, Seifer was tired during the second battle, but...if I remember correctly, didn't Edea revitalize him to a degree or something? Again, it's been a while since I've played through the game, but I'm pretty sure that's how it happened. Seifer was lying flat on his stomach, then Edea/Ultimecia...

Ahem...Necron was a giant space flea with the ability to reset all of existence as wel know it. That alone makes up for the fact that he's the second lamest plot device I've ever seen in a Final Fantasy game. It's just...I mean, how can you make fun of a giant omnipotent space flea...

Okay, well...I've been away for...err...a while. Sorry, I had to get some bloodwork done. Anyway, I suppose I could just restate my point to help get this thread back on-topic. It might be a bit tough, though, considering I don't actually have a point to argue at this time. I agree with a lot of...

Does Gilgamesh's Zantetsuken-attack work on bosses? If it doesn't, then that might explain why Seifer survived. I mean, I don't think Odin could appear in boss battles at all, which could mean that he just wasn't strong enough to take out those bosses in one hit. That might also explain why...

Now you're just not listening to reason at all. This is just...not a logical argument in the slightest. Yes, Cloud was probably tired, but he hadn't been through nearly as much punishment as Sephiroth had. Sephiroth, unlike Cloud, had just gotten finished fighting against eight other people...

Final Fantasy II is easily the worst Final Fantasy game in the series, if you ask me. Even for the time it was created, the battle system is incredibly clunky and inbalanced. I appreciate that they tried to make it more realistic, but honestly, the technology of the time just wasn't ready to...

Well...I chalk that up to the fact that Gilgamesh doesn't actually make contact with his sword or strike Seifer in any way that would, storyline-wise, kill him without fail. For example, getting cleaved in half by a giant sword would kill someone regardless of how tough they are. However...

Well...no need to apologize, Atomos. I should probably apologize, seeing as how I was the one who misread your post in the first place. I suppose I'm just trying to stay on my toes in this thread, considering how much FF Fans like to hate Sephiroth for no good reason lately. It's apparently...

Good point. I had overlooked that, but...well...I suppose I just preferred Edea's presence to Ultimecia's. Edea had this majesty about her, you know? She looked like someone you'd expect to be the game's villain. I suppose there's really no argument here, because yes, Ultimecia was talking...

Now that we've discussed this over MSN, Nik, I think you were about right. Seifer probably just used a particularly strong regular attack, but he used it before Odin could use Zantetsuken. I mean, as far as we can tell, a significant amount of time passed between Odin's death and Gilgamesh's...

Yeah, I did actually enjoy Edea as a villain. She was certainly better than that cliche-ridden stereotype, Ultimecia, anyway. I definitely would've preferred that Square kept her as the primary antagonist for FFVIII, actually. She had a sort of "aura of villainy" about her. You could just...

Excuse me? I've been using the facts to prove that Cloud is not stronger than Zack. In all seriousness, if you expect to be taken seriously in a debate, you're at least going to have to try to support your argument. I've already provided several walls of text which, using facts from the FFVII...

That sounds like a pretty insignificant reason to genuinely hate a villain, first off. Second, you should probably pay more attention if you should ever decide to play through Final Fantasy VII again. Your summary of the events that transpired in Nibelheim is both overly-simplified and a bit...

I found Ultimecia to be an incredibly cheap and generic villain, actually. That's mainly because we know nothing about her character, but you can tell from her dialogue that she's probably nothing more than a 2-Dimensional psychopath stock villain that we've seen before. Some might say that...

Actually, I do have evidence: simple, fundamental logic. The strength of eight people working together is obviously greater than the strength of one individual. That means that eight people are going to be significantly more difficult to hold than one person. To deny that is basically saying...

Y'know, you don't have to keep saying that. I know it's polite and all, but this IS a debate. We're SUPPOSED to disagree. That's kind of how it works. Yes, I'm saying that Sephiroth was unable to rip them apart because there were eight of them. Think about it for a second. There were eight...