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Old February 12, 2008, 8:31 AM   #11
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i dont think hitler or anyone should have been to bothered about france, maginot line lol.
and the germans had the von schleifen plan for WW1.

the battle of britain was an attempt to gain aerial superiority over britain, which they would have if hitler hadnt decided to bomb cities instead of airfields.
after germany lost the battle of britain, they used their continued bombing offense as a diversion, so that the russians wouldnt expect an attack.
as i said before, there was never any threat of a war on two fronts as germany defeated france before thinking about russia, although the british continued to bomb germany to help the russians out, the west didnt fight germany much on land until after the D-Day landings
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The Russian invasion was a big fiasco. Well, mainly because of the weather. The Russian winter killed Hitler's troops as it did Nepoleon's years before. But the Russians had heavy casualties as well. The big difference was that the Russian troops were equipped to handle the weather. While the German troops were not. So in the end, the Russians just pushed on back to Germany. A short synopis I know. The only people who could successfully conquer Russia were the Monguls. They invaded from the east.
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and thats russia after 20 million had been killed by stalins purges, most of them were officers in the army, tis why germany slaughtered the russians at first
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Not to mention the fact that Stalin did absolutely nothing for the people of Leningrad (now called St Petersburg again). Who were held in a German blockade for months. I believe they were not alone either.

Stalin was worse of a monster than Hitler ever was. But history has gone easy on him. Even Kruschev, when he took over after Stalin's death, decided to rename places named after him. Because he felt Stalin was a monster. This was the guy who worked directly with him.
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i know, stalin killed at least 20million russians, but Hitler's murder of the jews was systematic and planned, whereas stalin was mad and power crazy. also the fact that was on the allies side helped to ensure his reputation wasnt seen as bad universally.

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and what he did to poor trotsky, all the russians were terrified of him, he mispronounced agricultural wrong, and everyone else copied him so they wouldnt be executed
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Well, if anything was working for the Russians back then, it was the sheer amounts of troops they could put in the field of battle at any one time. When the war broke out in 1941 between the two, Russia still had massive amounts of troops stationed in the East to protect against Japan so when those were called to the West, the numerical superiority was just so overwhelming.

Not to mention the fact that Soviet production was so high that I'm assuming for every Soviet tank destroyed, there were another 3 to replace it the time the day was out.

Not much to say on the Aeroflot. They folded a couple days after Barbarossa began.

Needless to say, big mistake for Hitler. Wasn't he supposed to just take Moscow then worry about the oil fields in the south later on? He just bypassed the capital to get the oil....
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i think both, if possible, if you capture your enemy's capital then you win almost, tis what he did with france, but he also tried to get the russian's oilfields, as the oil from there was the only oil the russians were getting, and germany could always do with more oil, so killing two birds with 1 stone really.
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Well, Moscow was the communications hub so cutting it off would cut off communications for the Soviets. Winning the war is much more important than getting more oil, especially since the Germans were already only a couple of miles from Moscow.
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Invading Russia was a huge mistake to begin with. Yes, the Russians had the manpower and production. Not to mention that the US supplied them with equipment as well. Mainly in the way of vehicles and transports.

I am not sure Hitler would of gotten much from Moscow. The Russians would of just left it first and did their famous scorched earth policy.
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