Was I wrong?(all opinions welcome, even yours Decado :P) - Page 3

July 21, 2008, 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by .Z.

I'll be completely honest and say that both of you were a BIT wrong. I agree with both sides in that I think the girl was wrong for being rude and for you to assume that she spoke Spanish (she did, after all, speak in English first as you described).

That's why I never respond in a different language than the one I'm spoken to, which, surprisingly, pops up every other week or so in my Filipino community. >.>

My waiter also spoke to me in English though >.>. And she spoke spanish.

July 22, 2008, 5:46 AM

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Was it wrong of me to assume the girl was spanish speaking?

Yes, you're in America, an English speaking country.

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Am I truly rude & stereotypical, or is the girl just a drama queen?

You were rude, and the girl wasn't a drama queen, she was just an average English speaking American that wanted to communicate in the home language.

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Who's truly at fault

You.

(Hey, nice to meet you by the way!)

July 22, 2008, 6:07 AM

Imo its not your fault,you did nothing wrong.You were in a place where most of the ppl could speak in Spanish so you thought she could.Plus she was overreacting and being such a drama queen.Plus imo she was being very rude I mean she just assumed you said something bad in Spanish and just started crying.It's not your fault at all.You were being very polite about it.But I do have to admit was alittle rude that you assumed that she could speak in Spanish.

July 22, 2008, 6:17 AM

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Imo its not your fault,you did nothing wrong.You were in a place where most of the ppl could speak in Spanish so you thought she could.

Do you think it's right that there are segregated ethnic areas, where you can't get a job because you don't speak their foreign language (many businesses in California/Texas/etc... require you to be bilingual in Spanish/English) or that make you feel like your not even in Kansas anymore?

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I mean she just assumed you said something bad in Spanish and just started crying.

I could be wrong, but I don't think she "cried" because she thought he said something rude... I think the poor girl just wanted to speak English because it's her home language.

July 22, 2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsky

Yes, you're in America, an English speaking country.

You were rude, and the girl wasn't a drama queen, she was just an average English speaking American that wanted to communicate in the home language.

You.

(Hey, nice to meet you by the way!)

Its nice to meet you too...

You do realize Miami has a heavy cuban population right?

America isn't an "english" speaking country by law as it has no official language. The national langage is of course english by it is by de facto meaning by custom, not de jure meaning its law. So by those terms it is an english speaking country by custom .

Your answer is somewhat ignorant, but meh it is your opinion. Still the girl could've told me the first time she didn't speak spanish, she didn't need to display that sort of behavior. Also note it was a family run bussiness. Look at some chinese takeout places for example.

[quote] Do you think it's right that there are segregated ethnic areas, where you can't get a job because you don't speak their foreign language (many businesses in California/Texas/etc... require you to be bilingual in Spanish/English) or that make you feel like your not even in Kansas anymore?

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This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. While what you say is true, and unfortunate Miami isn't one of those places. Places like this exist all around the world, not just in the U.S, but then again you never mentioned they were U.S exclusive =).

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I could be wrong, but I don't think she "cried" because she thought he said something rude... I think the poor girl just wanted to speak English because it's her home language

This sounds ridicolous. No she didn't cry, but she did get mad at me. She isn't a victim as you portray her to be, is this your honest opinion, or you playing devils advocate? Your basically saying it was ok for her to lash at me like that, no offense but you come off to me as a bit racist.

Your opinion is a bit eerie to say in the least. But thanks, opinions like yours make threads interesting, and a bit diverse =). Look forward to your response.

- Kuja

July 22, 2008, 2:26 PM

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You do realize Miami has a heavy cuban population right?

They're either Cuban, or they're American, they can't be both.

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America isn't an "english" speaking country by law as it has no official language. The national langage is of course english by it is by de facto meaning by custom, not de jure meaning its law. So by those terms it is an english speaking country by custom

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Yes, and America is an oddity in the world because of this. Most countries have an official language, for a reason.

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Your answer is somewhat ignorant, but meh it is your opinion.

How so?

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Also note it was a family run bussiness. Look at some chinese takeout places for example.

Yes, and I disagree with Chinese immigrants speaking Mandarin/Cantonese too.

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Miami isn't one of those places. Places like this exist all around the world, not just in the U.S, but then again you never mentioned they were U.S exclusive =).

"All around the world", you should have really put "In western/European countries", try any of those multicultural shenanigans around anywhere else you'd be laughed at/shot.

Also notice that "multicultural" areas have the most crime in western nations. The US, France, Britain and Germany are excellent examples of this.

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Your basically saying it was ok for her to lash at me like that

If you live in America you should be lashed out at for not speaking English.

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no offense but you come off to me as a bit racist.

A language is not a race.

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Your opinion is a bit eerie to say in the least. But thanks, opinions like yours make threads interesting, and a bit diverse =). Look forward to your response.

Thanks

July 22, 2008, 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsky

They're either Cuban, or they're American, they can't be both.

What if they're Cuban-American =D.

Yes, and America is an oddity in the world because of this. Most countries have an official language, for a reason.

How so?

Yes, and I disagree with Chinese immigrants speaking Mandarin/Cantonese too.

"All around the world", you should have really put "In western/European countries", try any of those multicultural shenanigans around anywhere else you'd be laughed at/shot.

Also notice that "multicultural" areas have the most crime in western nations. The US, France, Britain and Germany are excellent examples of this.

If you live in America you should be lashed out at for not speaking English.

A language is not a race.

Thanks

I see, your a man who loves his country, and doesn't wanna see it change, ok I understand =).

I respect your opinion, but you should watch what you say, some people might perceive it as racist, I dont believe anybody should be treated badly because they don't speak a countries national *cough* language, but they should learn it, I dont think anybody is going to dispute that.

I said you were somewhat racist because of your somewhat "preserving" views, but now I see your just concerned about the U.S having a situation similiar to France's.

- Kuja

July 22, 2008, 2:38 PM

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I see, your a man who loves his country, and doesn't wanna see it change, ok I understand =).

My country ... not so much, I'm leaving as soon as I finish Uni. Not that I hate the country I live, rather I've just never felt I belong here. That being said. I don't think it is a matter of patriotism, and culture never stays the same, it always changes, however a singular language is the most uniting social factor of all men, much above nation, race, and religion. And I'd prefer to live in a cohesive harmonious country with one language and one people united under one culture.

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I respect your opinion, but you should watch what you say, some people might perceive it as racist,

Most people perceive it as racist, because ironically they are the ignorant ones. I don't care what race you are, just be American if you're in America, French if you're in France, and so on...

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I dont believe anybody should be treated badly because they don't speak a countries national *cough* language, but they should learn it, I dont think anybody is going to dispute that.

Actually, I looked at your profile aswell and it says you're Puerto Rican... I don't mind if tourists speak their home language but citizens and residents should be forced to learn it otherwise be deported.

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I said you were somewhat racist because of your somewhat "preserving" views, but now I see your just concerned about the U.S having a situation similiar to France's.

Yes, exactly!

July 22, 2008, 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsky

My country ... not so much, I'm leaving as soon as I finish Uni. Not that I hate the country I live, rather I've just never felt I belong here. That being said. I don't think it is a matter of patriotism, and culture never stays the same, it always changes, however a singular language is the most uniting social factor of all men, much above nation, race, and religion. And I'd prefer to live in a cohesive harmonious country with one language and one people united under one culture.

Most people perceive it as racist, because ironically they are the ignorant ones. I don't care what race you are, just be American if you're in America, French if you're in France, and so on...

Actually, I looked at your profile aswell and it says you're Puerto Rican... I don't mind if tourists speak their home language but citizens and residents should be forced to learn it otherwise be deported.

Yes, exactly!