UK Smoking Ban - Page 2

March 11, 2008, 7:19 PM

I think that this is a great thing. I have nothing against smokers but personally hate have smoke blown into my face when I am trying to eat or even just stand around gormlessly. I can't stand the smell of smoke and it makes it so difficult to breathe. For God's sake, why should non-smokers have to put up with other people's smelly habits!?

If people want to smoke then by all means do so, but there's no need to be as selfish as to pollute other people's air when you can just go somewhere else if you're that desperate.

March 11, 2008, 7:41 PM

Anyone else notice those large no smoking areas in cafes, pubs, restaurants etc before this law was passed.

Yeah me too, they were there for a reason. If people didn't want to get nicotined up then they can fuck off into the no smoking area, is it so much of a challenge. Apparently so. So now thanks to all you bitchers, the pavements are littered with cigarette butts, which when it rains the nasty chemicals get washed into drains and into our water supply. So much for saving our planet eh?

We're selfish? You're taking away our right to smoke for fuck sake, you're the selfish ones here. There were plenty of places for you to go where it was a smoke free zone, but alas, you won't stop there. I hear also they're going to ban smoking in towns, trying to anyway.

And I swear if another non-smoker comes up and coughs in an agitating way, he's getting my fag in his fucking cornea. You don't see people going to people in wheelchairs and dancing in front of them do you?

Bah, stupid law, instead of passing that they could be doing something more useful but as we can see now they're going to make students pledge an oath to the Queen for Britishness.

Out Labour, Out plz.

March 11, 2008, 7:46 PM

I don't understand how you can use the factor of litter and pollution in drained water as an argument. Lest I be missing something, are the smokers not responsible for that due to... oh I don't know... laziness to find a suitable bin? Yeah, thought so.

Passing a rule of no smoking indoors is hardly justification for smokers to litter the streets.

March 11, 2008, 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Architect

I don't understand how you can use the factor of litter and pollution in drained water as an argument. Lest I be missing something, are the smokers not responsible for that due to... oh I don't know... laziness to find a suitable bin? Yeah, thought so.

Passing a rule of no smoking indoors is hardly justification for smokers to litter the streets.

You are aware you aren't mean to put hot ashes into a bin?

Some pubs have ash trays, I use them, some places don't empty theirs, or don't have them, as Bambi said, where are going to put them? In our pockets?

If you're going to make us smoke outside, put more ashtrays on bins in places other than pubs.

At least indoors there were ashtrays on tables and the like, we don't use the ban as an excuse to litter, people just do it without thought.

March 11, 2008, 7:52 PM

If the littering is such a bother, then don't bother going outside for a fag and wait until you're in a place that does have an ash tray.

March 11, 2008, 7:54 PM

I suppose there are some areas that're more accommodating of the factor of hot ashes than others, but there's still a large number of bins with cigarette disposal trays. If you're in an area of town that happens to not have these, then you've only yourself to blame for smoking there in the first place.

Alternatively get off your arse and request that your local council accommodate your apparent demanding needs? I fail to see anything overwhelmingly challenging there, unless you're in an indefinite "cba" mood - by thinking which makes you quite contradictive.

March 11, 2008, 7:58 PM

Ever heard of diffusion? Smoke likes to travel you know, and always manages to find its way into a non-smoking area, believe it or not.

I'll admit that it is extremely selfish of me to take away your precious right to pollute everybody around you's lungs with smoke. I don't like smoking because it takes away my right to breathe. Selfish, I know, but there is no unselfish good deed at the end of the day, and we all think about ourselves and our own well-being. As if it is 'un-selfish' to want to smoke...

My dad has smoked heavily for as long as I can remember now, and doesn't care who he does it around. Recently I've had a lot of problems breathing, and I never actually linked the two until I read Reality.Fantasy's post. However, he is the only person who I want to quit because I actually care about him, everyone else can smoke all they want for all I care, just not around me thanks.

March 11, 2008, 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Architect

I suppose there are some areas that're more accommodating of the factor of hot ashes than others, but there's still a large number of bins with cigarette disposal trays. If you're in an area of town that happens to not have these, then you've only yourself to blame for smoking there in the first place.

Alternatively get off your arse and request that your local council accommodate your apparent demanding needs? I fail to see anything overwhelmingly challenging there, unless you're in an indefinite "cba" mood - by thinking which makes you quite contradictive.

I could say the same about people who don't like smoking, if it bothers you that much, don't go there. The door swings both ways.

I've actually had that brainwave of going to the council, but nothing's been done, round here they're more focused on closing down businesses and causing gridlock in the most busy areas of town by putting more traffic lights in stupid places, but that's another story.

I dispose of my fag butts in ashtrays anytime possible, but if you're holding a burning piece of paper with no where to put it, you have no choice but to stub it out on the floor, else you burn your fingers.

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Originally Posted by Vesper Lynd

Ever heard of diffusion? Smoke likes to travel you know, and always manages to find its way into a non-smoking area, believe it or not.

I'll admit that it is extremely selfish of me to take away your precious right to pollute everybody around you's lungs with smoke. I don't like smoking because it takes away my right to breathe. Selfish, I know, but there is no unselfish good deed at the end of the day, and we all think about ourselves and our own well-being. As if it is 'un-selfish' to want to smoke...

My dad has smoked heavily for as long as I can remember now, and doesn't care who he does it around. Recently I've had a lot of problems breathing, and I never actually linked the two until I read Reality.Fantasy's post. However, he is the only person who I want to quit because I actually care about him, everyone else can smoke all they want for all I care, just not around me thanks.

I wasn't saying smokers aren't selfish, I was just stating the door swings both ways in the way you just did. Also if you want your dad to quit, tell him how you feel, and tell your mother. If you don't like smoking, it's not the governments problem to enforce a law banning smokers from smoking indoors in public places, it's down to you in the end to find somewhere where you can go without being too smokey, instead of however just stopping everyone from smoking in peace. You want to breathe easy, we don't. I just think there should've been some better compromise instead of out right banning it in public places (and possibly in towns soon)

Fact of the matter is, if you're not breathing in smoke, you're breathing in some other form of air pollutant, but you don't see anything being done about that do you.

March 11, 2008, 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan III

I wasn't saying smokers aren't selfish, I was just stating the door swings both ways in the way you just did. Also if you want your dad to quit, tell him how you feel, and tell your mother. If you don't like smoking, it's not the governments problem to enforce a law banning smokers from smoking indoors in public places, it's down to you in the end to find somewhere where you can go without being too smokey, instead of however just stopping everyone from smoking in peace. You want to breathe easy, we don't. I just think there should've been some better compromise instead of out right banning it in public places (and possibly in towns soon)

If you expect non-smokers to go somewhere else, well the same can be said about smokers. Find somewhere else to go instead of stopping us from breathing in peace.

I agree about a compromise though, however if you think about it banning smoking in public places is a considerable step down from banning it all together (which will never happen mind you, because of man's almighty master: money), or as you said, banning it in towns. To be honest I think that banning smoking in towns is a bit too much. I can just hold my breath when I walk past someone who is smoking if I don't want to choke, no big deal. Besides, the previous solution to not being able to smoke in a pub was standing outside, but people won't even be able to do that. This would mean that people can only smoke in their houses, and I'm sure there are a lot of smokers who would usually spare their families lungs by going outside for a fag. That's not a bad thing, in my opinion.

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Fact of the matter is, if you're not breathing in smoke, you're breathing in some other form of air pollutant, but you don't see anything being done about that do you.

Well it's better than nothing I guess. But to continue on the point that you made, just about everything is bad for our health. Eating a packet of crisps a day is the equivalent of drinking 5 litres of cooking oil a year. Even typing this is killing my eyes. There are a lot of things that we do without realising it that have much worse effects on our health than smoking, the government just make a big deal out of it because it's one of the most obvious. Also, it has an effect on everybody who happens to be near you. Just seemed an obvious place to start I guess. Banning things is not the way to go though, goddd, if people want to be unhealthy let them! It's their lives! My main problem with smoking though from my point of view is that it is like having an unhealthy habit forced on you, one which I do not want at that.