The Fritzl Case - Page 2

May 1, 2008, 11:36 AM

Okay, I would probably agree that there is no evidence that it was rape, however, we cannot dismiss the fact that she was locked up down there for 24 years. I do believe that it started out as rape, and emotionally, she is wrecked inside. So even if it is what you'd call "sex with her father", it is still rape in my eyes because of the fact that she never wanted that situation to happen to begin with. She was still being held prisoner against her will...that to me is rape any way you look at it.

May 1, 2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Iago

It's his defense lawyer who said that. It's his job to make statements like that. He is hardly going to say, 'yes he raped his daughter over 9000 times'. Technically he is right. They don't have any proof that it was rape, however incest has occured and his daughter's statement and w/e will be enough to convict him. Rape is pretty difficult to get definitive evidence unless you catch the rapist in the act.
Also this is ironic coming from someone who lives in the middle east, where women can be gang raped for going out by themselves. Ans then they get punished for doing so, however that's neither here nor there.

any doctor whos specialty is pregnancy and brith can proof that a woman got raped or not by using the clock theory i don't know how exactly it goes but it tells you if the woman got raped or she had sex on her well

May 1, 2008, 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by old snake

any doctor whos specialty is pregnancy and brith can proof that a woman got raped or not by using the clock theory i don't know how exactly it goes but it tells you if the woman got raped or she had sex on her well

Actually, no you can't, ESPECIALLY if it's been a while since the alleged rape occured. Even if there is bruising or vaginal tearing, it could be because the woman wasn't sufficiently aroused or because it was just rough sex. Rape is extremely difficult to prove legally, and sometimes women don't want to convinct their assailants for that very reason. I could go on a long and angry diatribe about how laws surrounding rape are highly inadequate, but I'll spare you.

I think that the Fritzl case is unbelievable. It's just sick. I can't understand how anyone could do that to ANYONE, let alone their own daughter. I want him to go to prison and get violently raped for the rest of his life. Because if that's not karma at work, I just don't know what is.

I feel awful for the daughter and her children. Their lives will never be normal. I just hope they can recover somewhat and attempt to live peacefully.

May 2, 2008, 1:50 AM

Update: Here's a little bit of an update on the Fritzl case. The police are trying to hit him with another charge, one of murder.

He admitted to burning the baby's body, and because of this, they wish to hit him with a charge of 'negligent death of an infant,' which would warrant him a 20 year sentence, on top of whatever other charges he'll have.

Eitherway, his life will be over soon enough. I'm sure if he spends even a few days in prison, he'll get destroyed by his inmates. This is the most depraved case I've ever heard of, so I'm sure there's some angry Austrian in that prison that would love to end his life.

May 2, 2008, 5:12 AM

Twisted. Death is too good for a person (I use the word, "person," loosely in his case) like him.

I'd imagine the poor girl must have been driven insane. Being imprisoned and raped repeatedly in a dark basement for...how long was it? 24 years? Forced to give birth to more than half a dozen children...one of which was incinerated. All at the hands of her father. Unspeakably horrifying.

The worst of my nightmares doesn't scratch that.

May 2, 2008, 3:56 PM

I'd actually be more concerned with the mental health of his father (and maybe the girl herself) than I would be about how "horrible" this all is. It does make me wonder. Has a psychiatrist or psychologist examined him yet?

And if he did rape the girl as a child, then he is technically considered a pedophile.

May 2, 2008, 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Friedrich Gauß

I'd actually be more concerned with the mental health of his father (and maybe the girl herself) than I would be about how "horrible" this all is. It does make me wonder. Has a psychiatrist or psychologist examined him yet?

And if he did rape the girl as a child, then he is technically considered a pedophile.

Quite frankly, I don't give a SHIT about his mental condition. I don't care if he's severely delusional or a sociopath. What he did is absolutely inexcusable. I'm sick of mental illnesses being used as excuses for atrocious crimes. There is no doubt that he has some sort of textbook "mental illness" but honestly, so what? Just because you can define it in the DSM that makes it okay? No. I really don't give a shit about what any psychologist or psychiatrist has to say about him. He commited a horrific crime, several in fact, and he needs to be punished. I think throwing him in prison with a bunch of rapists would be rather fitting. Death really is too good for him. I'm sick of people saying, "but they can't help it! THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS." I honestly don't buy that defense most of the time. But let's just say they do....clearly, from the actions their "mental illness" causes them to take, society would be better off if they were removed. Simple fact.

The girl is another story. Her mental condition is definitely a cause for concern. Even with help from the best psychologists in the world, I still don't think she'll ever fully recover. I honestly hope she's able to recover somewhat and lead a peaceful life.

May 2, 2008, 4:39 PM

Oh, I didn't mean that if a psychologist or psychiatrist examined him and found he did have some sort of classified mental illness that he should be excused--I was just curious to see what they say about it.

Because nobody in their right mind, who knew the problems with incest would rape their own children.

This might not have happened if they knew he was insane.

May 2, 2008, 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Friedrich Gauß

Oh, I didn't mean that if a psychologist or psychiatrist examined him and found he did have some sort of classified mental illness that he should be excused--I was just curious to see what they say about it.

Because nobody in their right mind, who knew the problems with incest would rape their own children.

This might not have happened if they knew he was insane.

Nah, I figured you weren't saying it would be excusable. But honestly, I'm glad that the media is focusing attention on the horror of his crimes instead of attempting to excuse his behavior by attempting to diagnose him with a mental illness. I'm a little wary of psychology myself, because I feel as though a lot of it is still guess work and groping around in the dark. Additionally, there seems to be a disorder for everything. According to many of the disorder defiinitions, almost EVERYONE has a disorder. Sometimes I don't think humans want to accept the fact that people can just be-- for lack of a better word-- evil. We need some sort of disorder to explain and justify it.