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Old May 15, 2008, 9:09 PM   #11
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My dad was saying the other day how alot of this shit got started because of Cheney and Haliburton making deals with the companies behind closed doors.

Also, I would just like to say fuck ethanol. Most gas stations are already mixing into regular gasoline instead of offering us a choice on whether or not we want it. Most people think ethanol and go "YAY! LESS OIL DEPENDENCE!" but they don't bother to find out about it.The worst thing about it is that it's not as efficient as oil, so it doesn't burn as well. Know what that means? It reduces your gas mileage.

So basically, we're paying out the ass for cheaper quality gas that will force us to fill up more frequently. Sounds a little fishy now, doesn't it? Yeah, it might reduce our dependency on oil, but it won't reduce prices or our dependency on those who manufacture it. Not to mention there is simply not enough land in the US to grow corn on such a massive scale.
You're forgetting about one major issue with ethanol: the fact that you need to use gasoline to refine it in the first place. Ethanol really doesn't make that much of a difference in quality. If someone was planning to race their car, they'd notice. But to a common driver, the difference is barely noticeable. Eitherway, I think it's just an imaginary-quick fix. Sort of like sticking bubble gum on a leak.

Not to mention, because so many farmers are concentrating on growing corn, we're starting to see a shortage in other crops, especially wheat. The price of rice has gone up quite a bit. Of course, everything else has also risen due to inflation, but I've noticed, and heard of rice shortages and price increases, because of the focus on corn crops.

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But the oil companies and the government are bffs, so why would the government want to put resources into looking for alternatives that could potentially render oil companies obsolete?
Haha, that made me lol.
Unfortunately, it is a sad truth. The government and oil companies have been closely knitted, so until we get a system of government that doesn't feel the need to make their pockets any deeper with oil money, we won't see much of a change. Unfortunately, I think a politician who isn't greedy is a bit of a paradox. It seems that only the scumbags really rise up to power lately, and those truly capable are destroyed by the media.

As for a war, I seriously doubt a war would pull us out of the recession. Sure, it might help to reunite the country for a few weeks like 9/11 did [I'm not making light of 9/11, I'm just remarking on the quick turn around this country's patriotism took afterwards] but that seems to be about it.

And, unfortunately, the common man is rather powerless to do anything about the conditions of this country. The Patriot Act has practically wiped out any hopes of a revolution, or at least a large-scale protest. All it takes is a little girl on MySpace saying she wants to kill the President, for the government's less scrupulous agencies to show up at their door.

I think for now, the best friend to those struggling in the changes of the economy, is whatever technology offers. Be it a basic bike, or a new electric car [The Chevy Volt is interesting], or even a public bus, people will just have to make adjustments.

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Old May 15, 2008, 9:59 PM   #12
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You're forgetting about one major issue with ethanol: the fact that you need to use gasoline to refine it in the first place. Ethanol really doesn't make that much of a difference in quality. If someone was planning to race their car, they'd notice. But to a common driver, the difference is barely noticeable. Eitherway, I think it's just an imaginary-quick fix. Sort of like sticking bubble gum on a leak.

Not to mention, because so many farmers are concentrating on growing corn, we're starting to see a shortage in other crops, especially wheat. The price of rice has gone up quite a bit. Of course, everything else has also risen due to inflation, but I've noticed, and heard of rice shortages and price increases, because of the focus on corn crops.
Aye, I did forget about those two. Anyone with any sense is going to realize ethanol is just a quick fix (not that it fixes anything at all) and it's only being promoted so people won't complain as much. Wheat and rice going up...well, that's gonna hurt alot of businesses if they don't pull in enough income. Mainly I've just been focusing on ethanol mixes reducing gas mileage. Seems to me that it's a perfect strategy they've come up with, mix in ethanol with fuel to make the people think less money is being spent on oil, whilst they fill up more frequently and make up for that small percentage of oil being left out of fuel.

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A revolution would totally kick ass. But even without the Patriot Act inhibiting anything close to that, it would never work. People are just too goddamn stupid and lazy to pull of anything that required that much cooperation and effort.

People bitch about gas constantly, but I doubt many realize that if everyone in the nation stopped driving for one day (unless it was an absolute emergency, like going to the hospital) it would send a huge message to the government and the oil companies. Hell, it wouldn't even take the entire nation, just half or maybe even less. Go on a gas strike for a day and let the oil companies that you're tired of them jacking up prices and that you're tired of the government letting it slide. But people are simply content to bitch and believe in false hopes like ethanol and nuclear energy.
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Old May 16, 2008, 12:44 AM   #14
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A revolution would totally kick ass. But even without the Patriot Act inhibiting anything close to that, it would never work. People are just too goddamn stupid and lazy to pull of anything that required that much cooperation and effort.

People bitch about gas constantly, but I doubt many realize that if everyone in the nation stopped driving for one day (unless it was an absolute emergency, like going to the hospital) it would send a huge message to the government and the oil companies. Hell, it wouldn't even take the entire nation, just half or maybe even less. Go on a gas strike for a day and let the oil companies that you're tired of them jacking up prices and that you're tired of the government letting it slide. But people are simply content to bitch and believe in false hopes like ethanol and nuclear energy.
I would absolutely love an effective gas protest, but that one isn't logical. People have been forming one-day gas strikes for a while now, but the gas companies just laugh at it. You know why? Because we are ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT on fuel. This country can NOT function without gas. Millions would lose their jobs because public transportation in most of the country is laughable, and even public transportation needs gas. Not only that, but most people live too far from their work, to be able to bike or walk there.

The one-day gas strikes create a one-day loss of sales for the oil companies, but the next day, their sales skyrocket. They know just how dependent we are on gas, and know that a strike won't do anything about it. The only way those companies would feel any sort of impact, was if it were prolonged, for weeks, at least. And again, that just isn't possible in this nation.

This may sound horrible, but the most effective way to get a message across to the oil companies, would be to declare war on them. The old-school way of bombing organizations worked well in the past. It would really be the only way to damage the companies.

...Only problem with that, also, is we're stuck with our first, major problem: It doesn't solve our dependence problem on fuel.
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I would absolutely love an effective gas protest, but that one isn't logical. People have been forming one-day gas strikes for a while now, but the gas companies just laugh at it. You know why? Because we are ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT on fuel. This country can NOT function without gas. Millions would lose their jobs because public transportation in most of the country is laughable, and even public transportation needs gas. Not only that, but most people live too far from their work, to be able to bike or walk there.

The one-day gas strikes create a one-day loss of sales for the oil companies, but the next day, their sales skyrocket. They know just how dependent we are on gas, and know that a strike won't do anything about it. The only way those companies would feel any sort of impact, was if it were prolonged, for weeks, at least. And again, that just isn't possible in this nation.
Yeah, I suppose you're right A prolonged strike would be like the effect 9/11 had on the economy when people were scared to go outside...cept maybe worse.

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This may sound horrible, but the most effective way to get a message across to the oil companies, would be to declare war on them. The old-school way of bombing organizations worked well in the past. It would really be the only way to damage the companies.

...Only problem with that, also, is we're stuck with our first, major problem: It doesn't solve our dependence problem on fuel.
Haha, yes, fly our jets running on their fuel to their production facilities and bomb them. The irony xD

It's not really a permanent solution, but what if we just said to hell with the pussy environmentalists and started drilling in Alaska (not that anyone in the government has the balls to do that)? I'm no environmentalist, but I really don't see how expanding the Alaskan Pipeline and setting up oil rigs in the tundra will affect the moose and other wildlife that much. Besides, it's Alaska. All it's good for is oil and growing freakishly large produce. We wouldn't be able to run off it forever of course, but it would alleviate prices for a while and give people time to think of realistic, long-term solutions.
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Old May 16, 2008, 3:20 PM   #16
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It's not really a permanent solution, but what if we just said to hell with the pussy environmentalists and started drilling in Alaska (not that anyone in the government has the balls to do that)? I'm no environmentalist, but I really don't see how expanding the Alaskan Pipeline and setting up oil rigs in the tundra will affect the moose and other wildlife that much. Besides, it's Alaska. All it's good for is oil and growing freakishly large produce. We wouldn't be able to run off it forever of course, but it would alleviate prices for a while and give people time to think of realistic, long-term solutions.
From what I understand about the Alaskan Pipeline, is that it is very expensive to refine the oil, because we lack an efficient amount of oil refineries. Whether that is true or not, I'm not sure. I just remember hearing about it.

I remember hearing a little over a year ago about a massive oil reserve found in the Gulf of Mexico, that contained an estimated 15 billion barrels of oil. The amount that America has is around 29 billion barrels in their reserve. But, apparently, we can't touch that oil because Cuba has claim to it in an agreement that was made possible by Jimmy Carter.

And, want to hear another disgusting fact? Gas costs $0.12-$0.19 cents in Middle Eastern countries. Hearing that really makes me wonder if the War in Iraq was truly about gas, with such a disturbing difference in prices.

The bottom line about it all, is we NEED to find alternate ways of attaining power. Exxon Mobil, being the 'lovely' company that they are, bought out an engine that a man created, that could get 100 miles to a gallon of...get this...WATER.

Could you imagine running your car on water?
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From what I understand about the Alaskan Pipeline, is that it is very expensive to refine the oil, because we lack an efficient amount of oil refineries. Whether that is true or not, I'm not sure. I just remember hearing about it.

I remember hearing a little over a year ago about a massive oil reserve found in the Gulf of Mexico, that contained an estimated 15 billion barrels of oil. The amount that America has is around 29 billion barrels in their reserve. But, apparently, we can't touch that oil because Cuba has claim to it in an agreement that was made possible by Jimmy Carter.
Bah, everything is expensive. But it may be more expensive in the long run to forgo drilling...but it doesn't matter, it won't happen anyway because of all the damn hippie environmentalists.

Cuba has claim to 29 billion barrels of OUR reserves? Hurray for Jimmy Carter Speaking of Cuba, isn't there supposed to be a few billion barrels of oil in the North Cuba Basin, along with a hefty amount of natural gas? Perhaps we should get rid of that embargo and make friends with Cuba?

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Well that's no surprise, they don't have shipping costs and they'd probably declare Jihad on the oil companies if they had the nerve to charge them alot for their own oil.

But no, the war in Iraq was never about oil. If it was, we would have seized their oil fields and wouldn't be paying a ton for oil.

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The bottom line about it all, is we NEED to find alternate ways of attaining power. Exxon Mobil, being the 'lovely' company that they are, bought out an engine that a man created, that could get 100 miles to a gallon of...get this...WATER.

Could you imagine running your car on water?
Again, no surprise there. They wouldn't dare let anyone impact their sales. Makes you wonder just how many other ideas they bought out so they could keep raking in the money...
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Again, no surprise there. They wouldn't dare let anyone impact their sales. Makes you wonder just how many other ideas they bought out so they could keep raking in the money...
Ford used to pay people to beat the shit out of union members, big businesses are fairly unscrupulous and amoral when it comes to preserving their profits. Oil company geologists knew about plate tectonics but decided they wouldn't inform anyone else.

OPEC could supply more oil to help reduce prices, but the real problem is the oil companies. Who are earning mega profits. I'm not sure in the US but here the government refuses to lower petrol taxes at all. Whereas in China they buy the oil and then sell it at about 40c. Communism does have perks.

Don't blame Carter, blame Ike and JFK, Castro was not a communist, the US blowing up(possibly) a ship in Havan harbour lead to him being a communist, he was just a nationalist. If Jimmy Carter made the agreement then it was during detente, so you can't really blame him.
Although blaming bush would be easier, as he pisses off Castro and Chavez, who are the ones with the oil/ gas or w/e they have.

You can't really have effective boycotts of petrol, it is a necessity, and therefore inelastic. What would work is putting pressure on government, who can set maximum prices. Which is unlikely as Republicans love the free market and they really hate to interfere with it.
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