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May 30, 2008, 7:40 PM
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Should we feel guilty for history?
There are certain points in history where things happened that are considered reprehensible and barbaric by most of modern society. Slavery, racism, genocide, sexism, etc. We would be none too proud if such things happened today. However, back then, all were considered acceptable and a part of every day life by one mainstream group or another, due to socio-cultural perceptions. We can't change the past. Should we feel guilty that it happened, and apologise for the actions of our ancestors? Should we brand all of them barbaric in comparison to us, for that which they believed was rational and justified by their view?
It is true that society has moved on, that we know alot more, understand alot more, and that the outlook of most people has changed, due to increased knowledge, understanding, and tolerance. However, we still stand on the shoulders of our forefathers, and without the achievements of ages past, we wouldn't be here.
We have more understanding, and an understanding of why such things happened, and should look at the past in hindsight. We shouldn't whitewash history and take every chance to condemn our ancestors as savages out of guilt, but look at it rationally. Our ancestors had different world views and less understanding, and we are really in no position to apologise for what is no longer in living memory.
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May 30, 2008, 7:51 PM
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In what passing, fleeting thoughts I have regarding our ancestry, I look back on deeds done with relief and satisfaction knowing that a different generation had those experiences, consequently creating a level of understanding within us which, ultimately, pushed a majority of negativity out of our society today. This is arguable considering how much of it still lingers today, though for the most part, we as a community have evolved, deriving aspects of understanding equality and diversity in others.
I'm not ashamed of what our mostly long-deceased families had done and felt, though I pity those that cling to it so passionately - be they victims or otherwise; we're hardly responsible merely because of our background. Am I guilty for misdeeds? No.
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May 30, 2008, 10:10 PM
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What my ancestors did in the past is beyond my control. They may have done some very nasty things, but I didn't do those things. I feel sorry for those who are still suffering from what happened in the past, but there is no need for me to feel guilty. I don't see why anyone should feel guilty for something they didn't cause or influence in anyway. It just seems very pointless to me.
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May 31, 2008, 3:17 AM
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Should we feel guilty? Nah. I may feel guilty if--you know--I was guilty of something. That isn't the case, though. As mentioned already, I see no reason to feel guilty for something I played no role in.
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May 31, 2008, 5:06 AM
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Why apologize for something that happened before you even existed, and for which you cannot change? It's true that you can acknowledge the errors of the past--but then you must also acknowledge that these are errors that you neither caused by your own will nor can you change them. You can never proceed into the future and exist in the present by dwelling on an unchangeable past. Nor can you hope to change the future or make decisions in the present without knowing the errors of the past.
It is one thing to know, and another to change. Know the past, but change the future.
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May 31, 2008, 5:43 AM
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There is no point feeling guilty for something that happened before you were born.
As for branding our ancestors errors as 'barbaric', it is all matter of perspective. While slavery, racism, sexism ect.. may seem barbaric to us now, it was considered a norm several generations ago.
In my opinion it is correct to label the mistakes of the past as barbaric, but I also understand that future generations will most likely label some of our current norms as incorrect or barbaric, whats more is, if I live another 60 - 70 years I will probably look back and label a few of societies current norms as incorrect or barbaric.
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May 31, 2008, 10:39 AM
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Seems everyone is in unanimous agreement so far.
Thing is, there are those who do apologise for history, and denounce and feel ashamed by their own culture, even, because of what is now long past. It's a shame, but true.
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May 31, 2008, 2:45 PM
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Seems everyone is in unanimous agreement so far.
Thing is, there are those who do apologise for history, and denounce and feel ashamed by their own culture, even, because of what is now long past. It's a shame, but true.
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I denounce some parts of modern culture, if not my own exactly. For instance, I firmly believe all wiggers should be shot.
We can recognise that what our ancestors did wasn't necessarily right, ethicaly and morally wrong in some cases, but that doesn't mean we should feel guilty.
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While slavery, racism, sexism ect.. may seem barbaric to us now, it was considered a norm several generations ago.
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So you're saying that because a lot of people did it, it's okay?
Cool, what bout all dem dere Jews Hitler killed, there were lots of guys in the Einzatsgruppen. Must mean that killing all dem Jews was fine.
Also people back in dem ole days still saw slavery as bad. John Calhoun, the most famous fire eating politician ever, saw slavery as an evil, albeit a necessary one.
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May 31, 2008, 6:24 PM
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I wouldn't feel bad and why should I? I had nothing to do with any of those events that occured. Which I also think it's bs when people sit there and bitch and moan about things that happened in the past and try to point fingers at people in this day in age.
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May 31, 2008, 6:29 PM
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I feel that what happened in the past is literally history.
Its over already, and considering i couldn't have helped made a difference, i don't see the need to apologize for any possible misdeeds done.
What we would need to learn would be to forgive and forget, despite how great and bad the misdeeds were.
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