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March 9, 2008, 3:06 PM
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No real topic.
Think about it. None of us are independent thinkers. Not a single one of us. Consider all the objects in your home , every single object , nearly , tells you when and how to use it subconsciously. Everything you do, and think is not really independent at all, every word , every action, every object you own.
You have been taught the basics and in the end you do not use any of those basics. The more life goes on the more and more you follow the mainstream events, and on all varying levels. From drinking from a cup , to using a blanket at home properly , to going to work each day.
Everything works a specific way and is used in a specific way. Everything is invented because of similar wants and needs of man. No one is that special and they continue to all be prisoners of their own devices.
Every object in your room tells you how to think, a empty glass, a control remote, an old war grenade, magazines, books and everything else.
You are under constant control by every item around you. Every item around you tells you how to act. We chose the items that we enjoy when they provoke actions and feelings that we want to experience in life.
We let all those items control us.
A new car, for example. Controls your life before as you work hard for it, and then after wards it still controls it, I do not have to explain everything , you can see why , just use your brains.
Is it possible that life is better lived finding true, independence and control rather than following the herd like a sheep?
Every object is controlling your life. If you used every object improperly , differently than ever before, would you find enlightenment and would you discover newer, greater things in life than anyother person ?
Underlined because it is a weird idea.
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March 9, 2008, 3:14 PM
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Im quite happy being 'controlled' by my possessions, I wouldn't be prepared to give any of it up just so I find true independence...
It doesn't really make all that sense tbh, I mean what would we do? Get rid of all our clothes, belongings, jobs etc? Then what? Rub 2 sticks together to light a fire?
No thanks, Id rather 'be a sheep'
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March 9, 2008, 3:17 PM
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Im quite happy being 'controlled' by my possessions, I wouldn't be prepared to give any of it up just so I find true independence...
It doesn't really make all that sense tbh, I mean what would we do? Get rid of all our clothes, belongings, jobs etc? Then what? Rub 2 sticks together to light a fire?
No thanks, Id rather 'be a sheep'
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Not necessarily perhaps you can find clothes in a new way, use objects spontaneously and learn to invent, create and I am talking about things far greater than clothes with that path that could be taken.
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March 9, 2008, 3:18 PM
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I don't think that objects control us. Firstly, they don't have minds, and secondly, all objects were invented by HUMANS for our convenience.
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Originally Posted by Korytco
Every object is controlling your life. If you used every object improperly , differently than ever before, would you find enlightenment and would you discover newer, greater things in life than anyother person ?
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Yes, by using these objects we become the same as everybody else, but some of them contribute to essential life processes. Eating, for example. A fork helps you eat, yet it isn't subconsciously saying 'Yes, that's right, stick me into your chicken, just like everybody else, muahahaha.', nor will shoving it up your butt help you find enlightenment, if that is what you mean by the second part. >_>
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March 9, 2008, 3:19 PM
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Sod that, too much effort involved. Id much rather get my clothes from a different shop if I was gunna try to be different
I just rely on my amenities way too much and if it all got took away from me, Id be the first to admit that Id be well and truly screwed. Id probably starve to death or die of shock from not having my TV.
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I don't think that objects control us. Firstly, they don't have minds, and secondly, all objects were invented by HUMANS for our convenience.
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Agreed 
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Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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March 9, 2008, 3:21 PM
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Using items for their convenience and entertainment does not make you a mindless automaton by any means. It just means that your body or mind has needs that need to be met, and those items like the 'blanket' or the 'book' will satisfy your yearning. If we're going to apply that logic, then the fact that every human on this planet BREATHES makes them a 'sheep'. Every living organism on Earth is independent in its own right, but dependent on resources that they need to survive.
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March 9, 2008, 3:23 PM
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[color=DarkOrchid][font=Tahoma]I don't think that objects control us. Firstly, they don't have minds, and secondly, all objects were invented by HUMANS for our convenience.
All objects have a voice though, conditioned by the beginning of man kind until now. Every object speaks to us, to use it a certain way, the way it must be used, and it controls us because we can not see other ways of doing things . We control the objects to control us, but we never control the objects to lessen the control over ourselves and to find freedom. We are all puppets without invention or true independence.
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Yes, by using these objects we become the same as everybody else, but some of them contribute to essential life processes. Eating, for example. A fork helps you eat, yet it isn't subconsciously saying 'Yes, that's right, stick me into your chicken, just like everybody else, muahahaha.', nor will shoving it up your butt help you find enlightenment, if that is what you mean by the second part. >_>
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Even the most primitive animal eats another animal or life form of some sort. That is natural , this is about something else. You could go back to hunting for animals or perhaps finding alternative food sources. Apply your knowledge to food and the way you eat it is the same thing as this topic mentions. You are using human ideas as to what food is and should be. It could be other things, it is only needed because man kind thinks that it is. Genetic studdies or other things could lead to alternatives.
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Using items for their convenience and entertainment does not make you a mindless automaton by any means. It just means that your body or mind has needs that need to be met, and those items like the 'blanket' or the 'book' will satisfy your yearning. If we're going to apply that logic, then the fact that every human on this planet BREATHES makes them a 'sheep'. Every living organism on Earth is independent in its own right, but dependent on resources that they need to survive.
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Breathing is living , sheep follow. Breathing is natural . No your entertainment controls materialistic, fabricated needs of importance. Fashion statements and what is "cool" or important in life when none of it is reality and you just waste time in front of that TV when you could be out there exploring real life.
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March 9, 2008, 3:31 PM
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Step on it, Darling.
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Originally Posted by Korytco
Even the most primitive animal eats another animal or life form of some sort. That is natural , this is about something else. You could go back to hunting for animals or perhaps finding alternative food sources. Apply your knowledge to food and the way you eat it is the same thing as this topic mentions.
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I think I understand where you are getting at, but I disagree. I, for one, think that it is a GOOD thing that man (yes man) has invented all of these objects. It means that we have evolved somewhat from our days as cavemen. I am fully aware that animals hunt for food, however we as humans are past those days. We have developed since then. With opposable thumbs and the highest brain to body ratio of any animal, we have achieved these things and I don't see why we should go back to living like animals. If you want to give up all of your possessions then by all means do so, but may I ask what you are sitting at right now? 
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You are using human ideas as to what food is and should be. It could be other things, it is only needed because man kind thinks that it is. Genetic studdies or other things could lead to alternatives.
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Good point, but I have tried eating soap and plastic and I have to say that it just doesn't measure up to a good chicken madras.
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March 9, 2008, 3:35 PM
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Well you brought up food, I was thinking that man kind should just start seeing alternatives so that he /she can invent and create more. The man has not done anything worth writing about for awhile.
Your posts have a witt about them, you make it comical .I mean you make some of my ideas sound insane. hahah. There is varrying forms of agreement , disagreement everywhere. What one can do with an idea is make it balanced where as someone that disagrees can meke it into something hysterical .
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March 9, 2008, 3:39 PM
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Step on it, Darling.
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